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Post by andymorris on May 8, 2022 1:18:20 GMT -5
I like that song in the context of the record, but live, i dont know, it would be a bit boring.
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Post by tiger40 on May 8, 2022 12:58:07 GMT -5
Songbird is a good little tune and certainly one of Oasis's best from that era.
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Post by garylineker on May 11, 2022 18:56:31 GMT -5
Should have swapped it for Idler’s Dream on the album. I’d have swapped it for Shout it Out Loud, though Idlers Dream is still brilliant. That said, I don’t actually mind SIL. I don’t think it’s great or even that good but I don’t mind it existing on the album. Definitely shouldn’t have been a single though. I always say that not enough emphasis is on what 2000-2002 b-sides could have done for Oasis. We bang on relentlessly about the b-sides of the 90s and they'd have undoubtedly improved the first 2 albums but there really was never a massive issue there because those albums were so good. After that you could make a case for 3 b-sides from each album substantially improving them and giving them much better receptions and longevity. I still honestly believe Noel was in 90s mode mindset for a lot of these decisions and he would carry on their reputation as a great b-sides band by making glaring omissions. It really did harm them post 1997. |
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Post by mahsteve on May 12, 2022 11:42:02 GMT -5
I think SIL shouldn’t have been on Heathen Chemistry as the album had Songbird, a similar themed acoustic song. Songbird was one of Liam’s best songs and was single material so should have been on the album over SIL.
I’m not saying SIL is a terrible song but my opinion is that it was not good enough to release as a single. The double A side single with Little by Little was not necessary, just release Little by little as that is a great single itself, SIL could have been the B Side and then may have been better thought of by the fans in that context, as a B side, however, Noel’s ego may not have allowed this.
The band produced Heathen Chemistry themselves, but perhaps they should have got a producer in who was independent and could see things objectively instead of Noel being in charge, then maybe better decisions could have been made around the tracklisting, double A side single and having less Noel sung songs.
For the record I don’t think Heathen Chemistry is badly produced, the band do a good job, nothing spectacular, with more straight forward songs. The songs on SOTSOG were a bit more technical and needed Mark Stent’s input. I just think the band needed someone independent to take control.
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Post by mahsteve on May 13, 2022 0:55:42 GMT -5
Just to add to my post above regarding who could have produced Heathen Chemistry instead of the band themselves. Below are the options that may have been realistic at the time in 2001:
Johnny Marr - In 1999-2000 he produced his album boomslang. He worked with Liam on his demos including Songbird and contributed guitar on the final album on PAITM.
Paul Strangeboy Stacey - worked closely with Noel on his songs during the period and trusted by Noel. He contributed mellotron and Hammond organ to the album.
Mark Spike Stent - Produced SOTSOG and was involved in mixing tracks on the album.
Jan “Stan” Kybert - Recorded tracks for the album working with the band at Wheeler End studios. May not have had much experience as a producer at the time.
Paul Weller - Was touring and then recording his own album, Illumination, during this period so may not have been available. Had co produced his own albums.
Brendan Lynch - co produced Paul Weller’s albums Stanley road, heavy soul and heliocentric. Had remixed champagne supernova.
Chris Potter - produced the verve and Richard Ashcroft’s first solo album. Experienced producer
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Post by matt on May 18, 2022 13:22:58 GMT -5
Just to add to my post above regarding who could have produced Heathen Chemistry instead of the band themselves. Below are the options that may have been realistic at the time in 2001: Johnny Marr - In 1999-2000 he produced his album boomslang. He worked with Liam on his demos including Songbird and contributed guitar on the final album on PAITM. Paul Strangeboy Stacey - worked closely with Noel on his songs during the period and trusted by Noel. He contributed mellotron and Hammond organ to the album. Mark Spike Stent - Produced SOTSOG and was involved in mixing tracks on the album. Jan “Stan” Kybert - Recorded tracks for the album working with the band at Wheeler End studios. May not have had much experience as a producer at the time. Paul Weller - Was touring and then recording his own album, Illumination, during this period so may not have been available. Had co produced his own albums. Brendan Lynch - co produced Paul Weller’s albums Stanley road, heavy soul and heliocentric. Had remixed champagne supernova. Chris Potter - produced the verve and Richard Ashcroft’s first solo album. Experienced producer That's quite an illustrious bunch who partook on Heathen Chemistry. Quite shocking just how none of them thought of petrol bombing the studio when they had the chance to. |
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Post by mahsteve on May 18, 2022 16:05:22 GMT -5
Just to add to my post above regarding who could have produced Heathen Chemistry instead of the band themselves. Below are the options that may have been realistic at the time in 2001: Johnny Marr - In 1999-2000 he produced his album boomslang. He worked with Liam on his demos including Songbird and contributed guitar on the final album on PAITM. Paul Strangeboy Stacey - worked closely with Noel on his songs during the period and trusted by Noel. He contributed mellotron and Hammond organ to the album. Mark Spike Stent - Produced SOTSOG and was involved in mixing tracks on the album. Jan “Stan” Kybert - Recorded tracks for the album working with the band at Wheeler End studios. May not have had much experience as a producer at the time. Paul Weller - Was touring and then recording his own album, Illumination, during this period so may not have been available. Had co produced his own albums. Brendan Lynch - co produced Paul Weller’s albums Stanley road, heavy soul and heliocentric. Had remixed champagne supernova. Chris Potter - produced the verve and Richard Ashcroft’s first solo album. Experienced producer That's quite an illustrious bunch who partook on Heathen Chemistry. Quite shocking just how none of them thought of petrol bombing the studio when they had the chance to. Apologies, no some of them didn’t take part, they were just my ideas for potential producers who might have been available at the time. …I see where you’re coming from tho :-). I don’t think Heathen chemistry is all bad |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on May 20, 2022 18:53:07 GMT -5
Id argue there were other better songs that ticked all its boxes. As someone said, Songbird is the better acoustic/love single on the album; perhaps the one time Liam one-upped Noel songwriting-wise. Plus they already had other superior songs of that nature like Talk Tonight. Also, while it was a double A-side, from what I recall Little By Little got almost all the airplay. I don’t know if I ever heard SiL on top 40 radio. Maybe that proved to Noel that fans didn’t want to hear it. Like a few songs on HC it’s never been universally adored by fans, and isn’t as good as it thinks it is. I've never heard She Is Love on the radio and you're right it's always been Little By Little. And ive got your proof; the other night i went to this new bar in Liverpool, they played Little By Little, immediately followed by Cast No Shadow and the Liam version of C’mon People. So it seems like things haven’t changed the last 20 years. |
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Post by tiger40 on May 21, 2022 13:42:33 GMT -5
I've never heard She Is Love on the radio and you're right it's always been Little By Little. And ive got your proof; the other night i went to this new bar in Liverpool, they played Little By Little, immediately followed by Cast No Shadow and the Liam version of C’mon People. So it seems like things haven’t changed the last 20 years. Well, that says it all then . |
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Post by garylineker on May 23, 2022 15:57:43 GMT -5
yeah back in 2002 i wasn't quite into Oasis yet. But i definitely remember Little By Little on the radio a lot. It was one of my earliest memories of Oasis. I've always seen She Is Love as an album rack used as a b-side in the same way Slide Away was on Whatever. I don't think you can really call it a double A-side unless both songs were prominent on the radio.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on May 23, 2022 16:06:34 GMT -5
yeah back in 2002 i wasn't quite into Oasis yet. But i definitely remember Little By Little on the radio a lot. It was one of my earliest memories of Oasis. I've always seen She Is Love as an album rack used as a b-side in the same way Slide Away was on Whatever. I don't think you can really call it a double A-side unless both songs were prominent on the radio. It was right as i got into Oasis, I was only 6. My parents bought me HC on cd, I saw THT on Top Of The Pops and I had SCYHO, LBL and Songbird on Now compilations. …I literally never even knew She Is Love was a single until about 2008-09, when I saw their discography online. Just assumed it was an album track, which maybe says something about how I rate it. |
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Post by outoftune on May 30, 2022 15:27:11 GMT -5
She is Love is one of the worst Oasis songs - not sure how it made the cut for the album. Idler's Dream is a beautiful song and a bit "different" and would've been a better alternative. Shout it Out Loud, Just Getting Older, Thank You For the Good Times, and You've Got the Heart of a Star are all better songs in my opinion. If it needed to be a third Noel sung song there's 3 out of that 4 that would've done the job.
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