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Post by morning_rain on Feb 22, 2022 7:58:52 GMT -5
Here is a breakdown of what it feels like contributed and what he did not. Do you agree ? (Bet you dont  ) "Shockwave" : not much, eg probably less then 1% of the lyrics. "One of Us" : a few lyrics "Once" : a few lyrics "Now That I've Found You": 0 "Halo" : some lyrics, "Why Me? Why Not" : song started with his verses. "Be Still" : probably not much : lyrics for the chorus ? "Alright Now" : 0 "Meadow": 0 "The River" : 0 "Gone" : 0 "Invisible Sun" : a bit, but not much, lyrics "Misunderstood" : 0 "Glimmer" : 0 On the first record, only WAG and FWIW are problematic to me : WAG he probably contributed a few lyric at most, but FWIW is an absolute zero contribution (even said on the press release wanted to write an apology yet admited on anther interview he didn't write it). Yet he is still credited. "I'm not really that good at apologizing," Liam pointed out to Q Magazine about FWIW. "So I got someone else to do it for me." yet... “I wanted to write an apology… Not to one person, but to everyone, because I’m no good at saying sorry.” : press release. That's fuckin misleading if you ask me.  |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 22, 2022 14:14:49 GMT -5
Here is a breakdown of what it feels like contributed and what he did not. Do you agree ? (Bet you dont ) "Shockwave" : not much, eg probably less then 1% of the lyrics. "One of Us" : a few lyrics "Once" : a few lyrics "Now That I've Found You": 0 "Halo" : some lyrics, "Why Me? Why Not" : song started with his verses. "Be Still" : probably not much : lyrics for the chorus ? "Alright Now" : 0 "Meadow": 0 "The River" : 0 "Gone" : 0 "Invisible Sun" : a bit, but not much, lyrics "Misunderstood" : 0 "Glimmer" : 0 On the first record, only WAG and FWIW are problematic to me : WAG he probably contributed a few lyric at most, but FWIW is an absolute zero contribution (even said on the press release wanted to write an apology yet admited on anther interview he didn't write it). Yet he is still credited. "I'm not really that good at apologizing," Liam pointed out to Q Magazine about FWIW. "So I got someone else to do it for me." yet... “I wanted to write an apology… Not to one person, but to everyone, because I’m no good at saying sorry.” : press release. That's fuckin misleading if you ask me. Really? You don't know what Liam has contributed in his solo material. Apart from the songs he wrote on his first album. And, he's probably contributed far more than you'll ever think that you know. |
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Post by garylineker on Feb 22, 2022 22:24:48 GMT -5
I think the OP is knowingly creating debate where there really isn't one but there is some interesting points to cover as well so it isn't a completely dead thread.
Noel is obviously saying those quotes tongue in cheek. I wish he wasn't so openly jokey about the ripping off thing because what he did most the time was make better songs from ideas of the past. And in my opinion he's a genius and the most important songwriter in my life. So for him to set up an open goal for critics of him is quite annoying for a fan like myself.
As far as Liam is concerned I loved As You Were and it had the perfect balance of what a Liam album should be. We all know he can write when he wants to and it has some of the finest examples of his songwriting. Sadly I think he's become too lazy by having songs sent to him to record and as I've said in previous threads I think we're going to be virtually getting someone else's album with Liams voice stuck on it for this next one. Not something I'm overly thrilled about.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Feb 23, 2022 14:55:18 GMT -5
I think the OP is knowingly creating debate where there really isn't one but there is some interesting points to cover as well so it isn't a completely dead thread. Noel is obviously saying those quotes tongue in cheek. I wish he wasn't so openly jokey about the ripping off thing because what he did most the time was make better songs from ideas of the past. And in my opinion he's a genius and the most important songwriter in my life. So for him to set up an open goal for critics of him is quite annoying for a fan like myself. As far as Liam is concerned I loved As You Were and it had the perfect balance of what a Liam album should be. We all know he can write when he wants to and it has some of the finest examples of his songwriting. Sadly I think he's become too lazy by having songs sent to him to record and as I've said in previous threads I think we're going to be virtually getting someone else's album with Liams voice stuck on it for this next one. Not something I'm overly thrilled about. That Noel is better than Liam at writing songs that's for sure. This Thread, however, serves to make it clear that in Noel's songwriting not everything is authentic or deeply personal (just like in Liam's co-writing). The songs written by Noel from 1994 to today (but also those of other artists) obviously also contain verses, pieces of melody or lines of arrangements conditioned by other authors that he himself has heard or met. And I don't say this, but he says it himself and the analyzes on his songs testify to it. So both with Liam solo, both with Oasis and with Noel solo, nothing is 100% authentic. And regardless of the fact that we don't care, we can't fault Liam's co-writing by calling it "inauthentic", because Oasis or Noel's solo songs are built in the same way too. |
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Post by garylineker on Feb 24, 2022 10:34:21 GMT -5
I think the OP is knowingly creating debate where there really isn't one but there is some interesting points to cover as well so it isn't a completely dead thread. Noel is obviously saying those quotes tongue in cheek. I wish he wasn't so openly jokey about the ripping off thing because what he did most the time was make better songs from ideas of the past. And in my opinion he's a genius and the most important songwriter in my life. So for him to set up an open goal for critics of him is quite annoying for a fan like myself. As far as Liam is concerned I loved As You Were and it had the perfect balance of what a Liam album should be. We all know he can write when he wants to and it has some of the finest examples of his songwriting. Sadly I think he's become too lazy by having songs sent to him to record and as I've said in previous threads I think we're going to be virtually getting someone else's album with Liams voice stuck on it for this next one. Not something I'm overly thrilled about. That Noel is better than Liam at writing songs that's for sure. This Thread, however, serves to make it clear that in Noel's songwriting not everything is authentic or deeply personal (just like in Liam's co-writing). The songs written by Noel from 1994 to today (but also those of other artists) obviously also contain verses, pieces of melody or lines of arrangements conditioned by other authors that he himself has heard or met. And I don't say this, but he says it himself and the analyzes on his songs testify to it. So both with Liam solo, both with Oasis and with Noel solo, nothing is 100% authentic. And regardless of the fact that we don't care, we can't fault Liam's co-writing by calling it "inauthentic", because Oasis or Noel's solo songs are built in the same way too. It takes genius to come up with Live Forever, Don't Look Back In Anger and Chanpagne Supernova. Even if bits like solos are lifted, I don't think that takes away anything from how great the songs are. There is a monumental difference between creating a whole new song on your own with some influences and having a song sent to you from the US for you to sing over. |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Feb 24, 2022 13:16:58 GMT -5
That Noel is better than Liam at writing songs that's for sure. This Thread, however, serves to make it clear that in Noel's songwriting not everything is authentic or deeply personal (just like in Liam's co-writing). The songs written by Noel from 1994 to today (but also those of other artists) obviously also contain verses, pieces of melody or lines of arrangements conditioned by other authors that he himself has heard or met. And I don't say this, but he says it himself and the analyzes on his songs testify to it. So both with Liam solo, both with Oasis and with Noel solo, nothing is 100% authentic. And regardless of the fact that we don't care, we can't fault Liam's co-writing by calling it "inauthentic", because Oasis or Noel's solo songs are built in the same way too. It takes genius to come up with Live Forever, Don't Look Back In Anger and Chanpagne Supernova. Even if bits like solos are lifted, I don't think that takes away anything from how great the songs are. There is a monumental difference between creating a whole new song on your own with some influences and having a song sent to you from the US for you to sing over. I believe that if today Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert heard Oasis fans describe someone like Noel Gallagher as "genius" they would laugh. That adjective seems to be very overused today. As much as those songs may mean a lot to us, they remain strongly influenced by dozens of other artists prior to Noel who have already given oxygen to those melodies and spoiled listeners. Noel is just a careful "builder" of songs, but all he did was to mix in the best way melodies and verses heard somewhere else. Liam as we know is mainly a singer and not a songwriter, and his real talent is to take anyone's song in hand and convince the listener to buy it and not just listen to it. In this Liam has always been number 1. A large chunk of the records sold by Oasis also came from this talent of Liam. There is really a lot of beautiful music, but there is only one Liam Gallagher, and this is what makes the difference. Noel has always known this. As for Liam's co-writing, we will never really know how much he influenced the creation of the songs, but what we do know is that those songs are now released and recorded on disk thanks to him, otherwise they would be locked in a hard-disk. to make mold. |
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Post by garylineker on Feb 24, 2022 15:49:13 GMT -5
It takes genius to come up with Live Forever, Don't Look Back In Anger and Chanpagne Supernova. Even if bits like solos are lifted, I don't think that takes away anything from how great the songs are. There is a monumental difference between creating a whole new song on your own with some influences and having a song sent to you from the US for you to sing over. I believe that if today Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert heard Oasis fans describe someone like Noel Gallagher as "genius" they would laugh. That adjective seems to be very overused today. As much as those songs may mean a lot to us, they remain strongly influenced by dozens of other artists prior to Noel who have already given oxygen to those melodies and spoiled listeners. Noel is just a careful "builder" of songs, but all he did was to mix in the best way melodies and verses heard somewhere else. Liam as we know is mainly a singer and not a songwriter, and his real talent is to take anyone's song in hand and convince the listener to buy it and not just listen to it. In this Liam has always been number 1. A large chunk of the records sold by Oasis also came from this talent of Liam. There is really a lot of beautiful music, but there is only one Liam Gallagher, and this is what makes the difference. Noel has always known this. As for Liam's co-writing, we will never really know how much he influenced the creation of the songs, but what we do know is that those songs are now released and recorded on disk thanks to him, otherwise they would be locked in a hard-disk. to make mold. To mastermind a few lads from where they came from into becoming one of the biggest bands in the world is genius. He did it as much on his own as anyone in a band ever could too. Yes Liam played his part but Noel was the mastermind. That makes him a genius in my opinion. |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Feb 25, 2022 5:09:11 GMT -5
I believe that if today Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert heard Oasis fans describe someone like Noel Gallagher as "genius" they would laugh. That adjective seems to be very overused today. As much as those songs may mean a lot to us, they remain strongly influenced by dozens of other artists prior to Noel who have already given oxygen to those melodies and spoiled listeners. Noel is just a careful "builder" of songs, but all he did was to mix in the best way melodies and verses heard somewhere else. Liam as we know is mainly a singer and not a songwriter, and his real talent is to take anyone's song in hand and convince the listener to buy it and not just listen to it. In this Liam has always been number 1. A large chunk of the records sold by Oasis also came from this talent of Liam. There is really a lot of beautiful music, but there is only one Liam Gallagher, and this is what makes the difference. Noel has always known this. As for Liam's co-writing, we will never really know how much he influenced the creation of the songs, but what we do know is that those songs are now released and recorded on disk thanks to him, otherwise they would be locked in a hard-disk. to make mold. To mastermind a few lads from where they came from into becoming one of the biggest bands in the world is genius. He did it as much on his own as anyone in a band ever could too. Yes Liam played his part but Noel was the mastermind. That makes him a genius in my opinion. Well ... With your way of thinking we could also say that Liam is more "genius" than Noel if with poor compositional skills and with poor guitar qualities he managed to write some masterpieces such as "Born On a Different Cloud", "I'm Outta Time "and many of the best solo songs written entirely by him. At this point we have two genius in Oasis. |
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Post by drummert5 on Feb 25, 2022 12:34:08 GMT -5
FWIW is an absolute zero contribution (even said on the press release wanted to write an apology yet admited on anther interview he didn't write it). Yet he is still credited. "I'm not really that good at apologizing," Liam pointed out to Q Magazine about FWIW. "So I got someone else to do it for me." yet... “I wanted to write an apology… Not to one person, but to everyone, because I’m no good at saying sorry.” : press release. That's fuckin misleading if you ask me. I have no problem with Liam using songwriters, and however they sort out credits is entirely their business, but I agree that FWIW was a bad move. It’s a good tune, but the whole thing was framed as being _about_ Liam’s recent issues, whether with Noel or with Nicole, and in either case lines like “In my defense all my intentions were good” “Cause I've been crucified for just being alive” “The first bird to fly gets all the arrows” …aren’t fitting at all. I think he’d have been better to skip an apology song than sing one with such a “I’m just trying to be true to me” tone after running around on your wife. |
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Post by lg on Feb 25, 2022 13:17:52 GMT -5
I hope someone will organize the 2022 forum' awards because I know what I am gonna vote for worst thread of the year
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Feb 25, 2022 15:19:01 GMT -5
I hope someone will organize the 2022 forum' awards because I know what I am gonna vote for worst thread of the year Before voting check out this video about minute 10. Grohl says, that Everything's Electric it's a song Liam was making with Kurstin, missing a beat and so he only contributed the drum parts. To you and a few other guys in here, this news should ruin your day. lol |
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Post by lg on Feb 25, 2022 16:01:28 GMT -5
I hope someone will organize the 2022 forum' awards because I know what I am gonna vote for worst thread of the year Before voting check out this video about minute 10. Grohl says, that Everything's Electric it's a song Liam was making with Kurstin, missing a beat and so he only contributed the drum parts. To you and a few other guys in here, this news should ruin your day. lol Does it mean than Liam doesn't it even know who wrote it? Because he said that it has been written by Dave and Greg |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Feb 25, 2022 16:06:08 GMT -5
Before voting check out this video about minute 10. Grohl says, that Everything's Electric it's a song Liam was making with Kurstin, missing a beat and so he only contributed the drum parts. To you and a few other guys in here, this news should ruin your day. lol Does it mean than Liam doesn't it even know who wrote it? Because he said that it has been written by Dave and Greg In my opinion Liam should ask some users of this forum for information about his albums. It seems they know more than he does. |
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Post by lg on Feb 25, 2022 16:08:16 GMT -5
Does it mean than Liam doesn't it even know who wrote it? Because he said that it has been written by Dave and Greg In my opinion Liam should ask some users of this forum for information about his albums. It seems they know more than he does. Yes let's make a thread about it, shall we? |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Feb 25, 2022 16:14:46 GMT -5
In my opinion Liam should ask some users of this forum for information about his albums. It seems they know more than he does. Yes let's make a thread about it, shall we? There is no need. give me some news about one of the songs you wrote for Liam |
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Post by 4everlife on Mar 24, 2022 16:22:56 GMT -5
You don't need to write the song to be authentic.
Liam believes in what he sings.
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