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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 19, 2022 13:09:52 GMT -5
I can’t praise this enough. And the YouTube creator, James Hargreaves - if you’re on here, this was really well done. And I agree precisely with your insight and analysis.
Amazing fucking video. You will all be very pleasantly surprised. Must watch.
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Post by Sadie on Jan 19, 2022 17:48:50 GMT -5
I can’t praise this enough. And the YouTube creator, James Hargreaves - if you’re on here, this was really well done. And I agree precisely with your insight and analysis. Amazing fucking video. You will all be very pleasantly surprised. Must watch. I just watched this and fucking hell it's blown my mind, I don't think I'll ever hear DYKWIM in the same way again |
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Post by Aman on Jan 20, 2022 4:30:13 GMT -5
I like this guy's Oasis vids. Good stuff.
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 20, 2022 9:10:03 GMT -5
Yeah saw this yesterday, I've always thought the 'Met my maker...' bit was about his Dad but thought the verses were just standard Noel randomness but James gives an interesting perspective as always.
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Post by Casino Boogie on Jan 20, 2022 15:05:58 GMT -5
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Post by asimarx on Jan 20, 2022 17:02:59 GMT -5
That's actually the most extensive, elaborate and journastically worthwile article I've ever read on Oasis, honestly. I was just nodding my head away the entire time while reading and almost subconsciously started Spotify (which I rarely do) to listen to the album. Thanks for posting! |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 20, 2022 18:46:15 GMT -5
90s marketing madness, myth-busting, an unusually well-crafted defense, psychoanalysis, political betrayal, cinematic metaphors, a cassette buried in the garden, this article had it all. Someone needs to go dig up that blood-red tape! Definitely agree with some of this. A lot of how people talk about BHN now seems to just be self-perpetuating myth passed down from Noel—the supposedly wildly overblown production and meandering lyrics--but that myth seems to have overtaken the raw reality of the album. I like Batey’s emphasis on how the album is about not just grabbing the moment, about being here now, but also that sense of time running out at the same time. It's an ecstatic, pressured album from an ecstatic, pressured time that needs an ecstatic, pressured sound. This I think is why listening to this album somewhat wasted is always a powerful catharsis for me. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 20, 2022 19:43:30 GMT -5
Wow. I think he's right.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 21, 2022 7:03:11 GMT -5
It's a great take BUT I think he's overthinking it a bit. There are some parts here and there where I think he might be right but some other parts that I don't think are that deep.
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Post by Bellboy on Jan 21, 2022 7:06:28 GMT -5
It's a great take BUT I think he's overthinking it a bit. There are some parts here and there where I think he might be right but some other parts that I don't think are that deep. Agree. And to add I find him quite annoying. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 21, 2022 8:43:27 GMT -5
I personally think it’s Noel’s subconscious writing the song. There is no way this is intentional, which just makes it even more mystical. Noel is a better lyricist than most give him credit for. Top notch.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 21, 2022 12:30:54 GMT -5
It's a great take BUT I think he's overthinking it a bit. There are some parts here and there where I think he might be right but some other parts that I don't think are that deep. Agree. And to add I find him quite annoying. I quite like him myself. I subscribed to his channel a while back after one of his DLBIA analysis. I personally think it’s Noel’s subconscious writing the song. There is no way this is intentional, which just makes it even more mystical. Noel is a better lyricist than most give him credit for. Top notch. Well yes he is a better lyricist that most give him credit for and his lyrics, at least some of them, are definitely deeper than he would like people to think. We all know how he is on showing emotions. But I think this is just too much. Also when did Peggy or Paul ever say that Peggy didn't leave Thomas because of the Catholic church? It seems like it could be true but he talks about it like it's a fact. Abusive relationships are already complicated as it is, it doesn't have to be because of the Catholic church. It might have been a contributing factor but I doubt it was this cut and dry. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 21, 2022 13:28:49 GMT -5
Agree. And to add I find him quite annoying. I quite like him myself. I subscribed to his channel a while back after one of his DLBIA analysis. I personally think it’s Noel’s subconscious writing the song. There is no way this is intentional, which just makes it even more mystical. Noel is a better lyricist than most give him credit for. Top notch. Well yes he is a better lyricist that most give him credit for and his lyrics, at least some of them, are definitely deeper than he would like people to think. We all know how he is on showing emotions. But I think this is just too much. Also when did Peggy or Paul ever say that Peggy didn't leave Thomas because of the Catholic church? It seems like it could be true but he talks about it like it's a fact. Abusive relationships are already complicated as it is, it doesn't have to be because of the Catholic church. It might have been a contributing factor but I doubt it was this cut and dry. I can confirm that Peggy’s devout devotion to the Catholic Church kept her from divorcing - this is detailed in Paul’s book ‘Brothers. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 21, 2022 17:46:56 GMT -5
I quite like him myself. I subscribed to his channel a while back after one of his DLBIA analysis. Well yes he is a better lyricist that most give him credit for and his lyrics, at least some of them, are definitely deeper than he would like people to think. We all know how he is on showing emotions. But I think this is just too much. Also when did Peggy or Paul ever say that Peggy didn't leave Thomas because of the Catholic church? It seems like it could be true but he talks about it like it's a fact. Abusive relationships are already complicated as it is, it doesn't have to be because of the Catholic church. It might have been a contributing factor but I doubt it was this cut and dry. I can confirm that Peggy’s devout devotion to the Catholic Church kept her from divorcing - this is detailed in Paul’s book ‘Brothers. It's also in Paolo Hewitt's book: "For the last few years, the Gallagher boys had remonstrated with their mother. Leave him, they'd say. He's no good to you or us. Fuck it, let's go, come on. Of course, Peggy wanted to leave but one thing held her in check: her Catholic religion. For Peggy to divorce or leave her husband it would mean excommunication from the church and ultimately that would lead her into Hell. It was unthinkable ...." |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 21, 2022 18:42:13 GMT -5
I knew their father was abusive, but fucking hell....
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Post by settingson on Jan 21, 2022 19:47:19 GMT -5
It's a great take BUT I think he's overthinking it a bit. There are some parts here and there where I think he might be right but some other parts that I don't think are that deep.
Yep - agree.
Not referencing early on that "Blood on the Tracks" and "Don't Look Back" are Bob Dylan references, in the same way that "Fool on the Hill" and "I Feel Fine" are Beatles references, is a bit of a giveaway that he's going to be reaching.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 22, 2022 8:28:42 GMT -5
It's a great take BUT I think he's overthinking it a bit. There are some parts here and there where I think he might be right but some other parts that I don't think are that deep. Yep - agree. Not referencing early on that "Blood on the Tracks" and "Don't Look Back" are Bob Dylan references, in the same way that "Fool on the Hill" and "I Feel Fine" are Beatles references, is a bit of a giveaway that he's going to be reaching.
Exactly! Be Here Now has several references to Beatles' lyrics everywhere, DYWIM isn't different. Also the "I ain't good looking but I'm someone's child" being about how Liam was the favorite child seems like a huge stretch. I quite like him myself. I subscribed to his channel a while back after one of his DLBIA analysis. Well yes he is a better lyricist that most give him credit for and his lyrics, at least some of them, are definitely deeper than he would like people to think. We all know how he is on showing emotions. But I think this is just too much. Also when did Peggy or Paul ever say that Peggy didn't leave Thomas because of the Catholic church? It seems like it could be true but he talks about it like it's a fact. Abusive relationships are already complicated as it is, it doesn't have to be because of the Catholic church. It might have been a contributing factor but I doubt it was this cut and dry. I can confirm that Peggy’s devout devotion to the Catholic Church kept her from divorcing - this is detailed in Paul’s book ‘Brothers. Thanks for the info! |
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Post by mouth on Jan 22, 2022 8:30:15 GMT -5
I can’t praise this enough. And the YouTube creator, James Hargreaves - if you’re on here, this was really well done. And I agree precisely with your insight and analysis. Amazing fucking video. You will all be very pleasantly surprised. Must watch. i once commented on one of his songs, which are ridiculously bad oasis wannabe efforts. he deleted it from the comments.  about this particular vid: knowing noel gallagher and how he writes songs, 95% is just pulled out his arse to make another video about oasis. he should stick to muscially dissecting oasis songs, because that's where actually is really good at. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 22, 2022 8:56:01 GMT -5
I can’t praise this enough. And the YouTube creator, James Hargreaves - if you’re on here, this was really well done. And I agree precisely with your insight and analysis. Amazing fucking video. You will all be very pleasantly surprised. Must watch. i once commented on one of his songs, which are ridiculously bad oasis wannabe efforts. he deleted it from the comments. about this particular vid: knowing noel gallagher and how he writes songs, 95% is just pulled out his arse to make another video about oasis. he should stick to muscially dissecting oasis songs, because that's where actually is really good at. Don’t discount the power of the subconscious. Do I believe Noel wrote this intentionally about his upbringing? Of course not. Do I think that there is meaning behind the nonsense? Yes, very much potentially. I think it’s a cool interpretation - which is what makes music so good; the meaning is in the ear of the beholder. |
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