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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 8, 2021 18:30:52 GMT -5
I'll be shocked if there's a third night. I don't think he wants to or trying to overshadow 1996 or try to best Robbie. Two nights is enough. I don't think his voice will be good enough for three nights in a row either. Agreed. His voice wouldn’t hold for a third night - this isn’t a slight, as it’s truly to be expected for his voice to be tired from two storming performances. Keep it a two, let’s not be greedy souls. It might not but it doesn't really matter when you're at the gig. I saw Oasis during the DBTT era and it was amazing even though his voice was pretty shot. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 8, 2021 18:39:09 GMT -5
As good as Liam's solo albums are(I'm not that keen on As You Were but really like WMWN?), this shows the power and importance of Oasis in the UK. Only a handful of artists in the history of popular music could do this after almost 30 years in the business.
Just wish I could go.....
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 8, 2021 18:42:19 GMT -5
Just be careful if you walk through the leisure park to the train station 😂 Ah shit that looks so perfectly benign on Google Maps. Ok, what should a dumb tourist look out for? The hotel will be filled with fans, will be fine. Walk there when you go that will be alright I’d just pay the few quid for a taxi on the way back from the station if you can. What night are you going? |
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 8, 2021 19:04:24 GMT -5
Ah shit that looks so perfectly benign on Google Maps. Ok, what should a dumb tourist look out for? The hotel will be filled with fans, will be fine. Walk there when you go that will be alright I’d just pay the few quid for a taxi on the way back from the station if you can. What night are you going? Thanks! I've got tickets for Friday. I'm flying in Thursday, spending Saturday in London, flying back Sunday. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 8, 2021 20:04:48 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher had a very real mental breakdown in 2013 (I can relate - can’t we all). Trying to cope with the abrupt collapse of Oasis, and only mild, fleeting success with Beady Eye, Liam’s entire world was crashing. Going from the Beady Eye doldrums, with a singing voice well in decline, to playing to 250,000 at Knebworth within just a few years - recovering both his personal life and career in the process - is nothing short of phenomenal. He has worked incredibly hard for his full Resurrection. I could not be more proud. I would very much be an excellent writer for the NME. They should hire me.It mirrors the quick rise to greatness he experienced in the 90's. Er, not really. The excitement of these shows can be intoxicating but this is crazy talk. Liam Gallagher in 2013-15 was still one of the more famous name-brand stars on the planet. He had a bad patch. As @beadysherenow said, many people have a tough period in life, public or not. Thankfully, he came back from it (mostly just by taking a break, getting his shit together and getting a caring/smart crew around him) and his fame and powers were still there waiting for him. Now he’s rested, relatively healthy and hugely popular again. People still love the sound of Oasis and hunger for those rock and roll days again. He’s giving the people what they want in this moment. All great things. But not close to the same category as what Oasis generated from 1993 to 1996. They started from nobody knowing them from a hole in the ground to releasing two of the seminal albums of their generation, fresh out-of-the-blue becoming a household name globally and getting 2.5 million applications for tickets to Knebworth 1996. That’s truly part of music history and it will remain so. Not downplaying what Liam has accomplished in the last few years. Very happy for him that he’s back to living his dream. And hope he takes it further. No need to overplay what it is, though. |
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Post by Gaspanic15 on Oct 8, 2021 22:59:55 GMT -5
Hope all you NY/NJ madferits are Yankees/Giants and not Mets/Jets! I got them all wrong! Mets, Jets, Rangers. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 8, 2021 23:15:17 GMT -5
It mirrors the quick rise to greatness he experienced in the 90's. Er, not really. The excitement of these shows can be intoxicating but this is crazy talk. Liam Gallagher in 2013-15 was still one of the more famous name-brand stars on the planet. He had a bad patch. As @beadysherenow said, many people have a tough period in life, public or not. Thankfully, he came back from it (mostly just by taking a break, getting his shit together and getting a caring/smart crew around him) and his fame and powers were still there waiting for him. Now he’s rested, relatively healthy and hugely popular again. People still love the sound of Oasis and hunger for those rock and roll days again. He’s giving the people what they want in this moment. All great things. But not close to the same category as what Oasis generated from 1993 to 1996. They started from nobody knowing them from a hole in the ground to releasing two of the seminal albums of their generation, fresh out-of-the-blue becoming a household name globally and getting 2.5 million applications for tickets to Knebworth 1996. That’s truly part of music history and it will remain so. Not downplaying what Liam has accomplished in the last few years. Very happy for him that he’s back to living his dream. And hope he takes it further. No need to overplay what it is, though. It’s different. One is not more challenging than the other. I can attest, it’s very difficult to regain full health and life (as in vitality) the way he has done - I don’t care who your name is. I have so much respect. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 9, 2021 2:35:24 GMT -5
They’re both incomparable and comparable.
Incomparable: the unique story of a young band rising from the dole to Knebworth in 2.5 years. That’s not hyperbole. Capturing a generation. I was 15-18 in those years and it was truly magical - the buzz, the records, the interviews, they were the talk of the playground and the pubs.
Liam today has made an absolutely astonishing comeback but it’s not that. But it doesn’t need to be. The story is the old prize fighter redemption arc from his contextual fall back to a national treasure - the one As It Was told so effectively. It’s relatable like a kid wanting to be a rock n roll star.
What’s comparable: two things and this is for debate. Did the tense political landscapes assist in a band / singer built of togetherness? The suffocating, dyingThatcherism of the mid 90s, and post Brexit divide now? Secondly, there’s a three year journey from smaller venues climaxing at Knebworth.
Overall, it’s not the same, of course it’s not, but it’s fucking exciting and I’m beside myself to have my parents ring me and ask “did you get Knebworth tickets” having missed out in 96, like I’ve written elsewhere. Different, but the same. You only get to do it Twice!
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Post by igotflair on Oct 9, 2021 3:55:25 GMT -5
…but it’s fucking exciting and I’m beside myself to have my parents ring me and ask “did you get Knebworth tickets”… This is what matters, when the people closest to us, whether they give any fucks about Liam or not, message us because they know it’s what we eat, drink and sleep. They’re rooting for Liam just because they’re rooting for us. My great grandad (94) phoned me (at work!) I was called out of class to take the call, I thought someone must’ve died. I heard his delicate little voice trying to scream: “As You Fuckin Were!” My hero. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 9, 2021 4:13:14 GMT -5
It’s different. One is not more challenging than the other. I can attest, it’s very difficult to regain full health and life (as in vitality) the way he has done - I don’t care who your name is. I have so much respect. Agreed, Beadys Here, it’s not easy for anyone to rise out of … well, whatever it was because I don’t really know the extent of it in Liam’s case. Just glad he seems in a much better place now. And I don’t want to make light of his struggles, just to say they aren’t unique in the entertainment world ... or any world. You’ve gone through them, I’ve gone through them and so have a pretty large slew of rock stars and movie stars who have struggled with depression, addiction, illness or just a sudden reversal of fortune and come out the other side stronger. It’s cool to see it, inspiring even (and I don’t discount the degree to which Liam inspires you or others to keep at it – and kudos to him for every person he helps hang on even unwittingly). But for all of that, it’s still not the same thing as musical history. He’s not creating something new out of nothing. He’s returning to what was. (Not suggesting that isn't moving. But in 50 years from now, it won't be seen in the same light as Oasis rising to the top in the 90s.) |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Oct 9, 2021 4:24:11 GMT -5
My take on the thing
Liam is working for several reasons:
He represents the true essence of Oasis live. Oasis (except in sporadic cases) were mainly loud and arrogant, their identity was more associated with Liam (although as we know he was not the main author). Liam is made of the same essence that Oasis were made of, and if he's in shape no one can beat him. People love to hear Oasis through his rock 'n roll voice and attitude, in the 90s as well as today. Nobody can represent Oasis on stage better than him.
Today thanks to his concerts you can breathe the same air that one breathed in the Oasis of the 90s, and not even the Oasis post 2000 had managed to recreate this atmosphere.
for Liam things only got bad when his voice and personal life went bad, but again, if he's fit in his life and with his voice, nobody beats him.
It also has to be said that he has churned out two great albums with great anthems and sung with passion and involvement, and his Unplugged was truly fabulous. All of this is reinforcing his triumph.
If the third album is fantastic and his vocal form remains good,able to do 10 nights at Knebworth in the next few years.
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 9, 2021 4:27:29 GMT -5
If the third album is fantastic and his vocal form remains good, he will be able to do 10 nights at Knebworth from next year. Great post, but 10 nights? I’m bankrupt as it is after buying two!!!!! 😂 |
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 9, 2021 4:27:58 GMT -5
…but it’s fucking exciting and I’m beside myself to have my parents ring me and ask “did you get Knebworth tickets”… This is what matters, when the people closest to us, whether they give any fucks about Liam or not, message us because they know it’s what we eat, drink and sleep. They’re rooting for Liam just because they’re rooting for us. My great grandad (94) phoned me (at work!) I was called out of class to take the call, I thought someone must’ve died. I heard his delicate little voice trying to scream: “As You Fuckin Were!” My hero. Precisely, nailed it, and that’s an awesome story! |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 9, 2021 4:32:51 GMT -5
They’re both incomparable and comparable. Incomparable: the unique story of a young band rising from the dole to Knebworth in 2.5 years. That’s not hyperbole. Capturing a generation. I was 15-18 in those years and it was truly magical - the buzz, the records, the interviews, they were the talk of the playground and the pubs. Liam today has made an absolutely astonishing comeback but it’s not that. But it doesn’t need to be. The story is the old prize fighter redemption arc from his contextual fall back to a national treasure - the one As It Was told so effectively. It’s relatable like a kid wanting to be a rock n roll star. What’s comparable: two things and this is for debate. Did the tense political landscapes assist in a band / singer built of togetherness? The suffocating, dyingThatcherism of the mid 90s, and post Brexit divide now? Secondly, there’s a three year journey from smaller venues climaxing at Knebworth. Overall, it’s not the same, of course it’s not, but it’s fucking exciting and I’m beside myself to have my parents ring me and ask “did you get Knebworth tickets” having missed out in 96, like I’ve written elsewhere. Different, but the same. You only get to do it Twice! You write very beautifully about your passion GlastoEls. And that's a really interesting question about the political landscapes. (Don't think moving from smaller venues to Knebworth is that comparable, though. Liam never stopped for a second being famous -- and he's had the ability to headline festivals and do stadium tours since proving he still had it with AYW, plus he's long had the goal of doing a show on the scale of Knebworth. The mix of the pent-up desire from the pandemic, the Knebworth film and his widely praised recent form made the timing of this pretty undeniably perfect. It wasn't like Oasis storming out of nowhere to take over the world. Even as an American, they were everywhere in 1996 completely out of the blue. It seems like something that might never happen again globally with all the changes in the music industry.) |
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 9, 2021 4:40:47 GMT -5
They’re both incomparable and comparable. Incomparable: the unique story of a young band rising from the dole to Knebworth in 2.5 years. That’s not hyperbole. Capturing a generation. I was 15-18 in those years and it was truly magical - the buzz, the records, the interviews, they were the talk of the playground and the pubs. Liam today has made an absolutely astonishing comeback but it’s not that. But it doesn’t need to be. The story is the old prize fighter redemption arc from his contextual fall back to a national treasure - the one As It Was told so effectively. It’s relatable like a kid wanting to be a rock n roll star. What’s comparable: two things and this is for debate. Did the tense political landscapes assist in a band / singer built of togetherness? The suffocating, dyingThatcherism of the mid 90s, and post Brexit divide now? Secondly, there’s a three year journey from smaller venues climaxing at Knebworth. Overall, it’s not the same, of course it’s not, but it’s fucking exciting and I’m beside myself to have my parents ring me and ask “did you get Knebworth tickets” having missed out in 96, like I’ve written elsewhere. Different, but the same. You only get to do it Twice! You write very beautifully about your passion GlastoEls. And that's a really interesting question about the political landscapes. (Don't think moving from smaller venues to Knebworth is that comparable, though. Liam never stopped for a second being famous -- and he's had the ability to headline festivals and do stadium tours since proving he still had it with AYW, plus he's long had the goal of doing a show on the scale of Knebworth. The mix of the pent-up desire from the pandemic, the Knebworth film and his widely praised recent form made the timing of this pretty undeniably perfect. It wasn't like Oasis storming out of nowhere to take over the world. Even as an American, they were everywhere in 1996 completely out of the blue. It seems like something that might never happen again globally with all the changes in the music industry.) Thank you very much for that really nice compliment - and it’s one I’d reciprocate immediately right back at you also. This forum is at its best when there’s such great material well debated! |
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Post by darmin on Oct 9, 2021 6:05:56 GMT -5
I agree that we cannot compare Oasis and Liam solo in terms of grandiosity but I think that the trajectory in smaller scale is kinda similarish. As GlastoEls said from smaller venues to Knebworth in 3 years. I don’t agree that it’s just Liam’s name working for him. He did a very good job. Noel is as famous as Liam and I didn’t see him (so far) selling out even venues like Finsbury park. I don’t bring up Noel to stir shit. It’s just easy to compare them because they both were appr. the same age when they started their solo careers, they both have the same level of fame, the same fanbase. Same genre of music etc. The timing of start of his solo career was also perfect- ppl were tired of Oasis, Liam, RnR cliches etc. I.e. what one could do in terms of success the other theoretically could do too imo. Yeah Liam has charisma and voice of frontman (huge advantage when we talk about live music) and Noel.. well, not so much but Noel has his strong suits Liam doesn’t have. |
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 9, 2021 6:35:19 GMT -5
Incredible stuff even if it's 80k instead of 120k. Hopefully one of the nights is covered live in radio or TV.
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Post by sheisloved on Oct 9, 2021 9:03:40 GMT -5
I agree that we cannot compare Oasis and Liam solo in terms of grandiosity but I think that the trajectory in smaller scale is kinda similarish. As GlastoEls said from smaller venues to Knebworth in 3 years. I don’t agree that it’s just Liam’s name working for him. He did a very good job. Noel is as famous as Liam and I didn’t see him (so far) selling out even venues like Finsbury park. I don’t bring up Noel to stir shit. It’s just easy to compare them because they both were appr. the same age when they started their solo careers, they both have the same level of fame, the same fanbase. Same genre of music etc. The timing of start of his solo career was also perfect- ppl were tired of Oasis, Liam, RnR cliches etc. I.e. what one could do in terms of success the other theoretically could do too imo. Yeah Liam has charisma and voice of frontman (huge advantage when we talk about live music) and Noel.. well, not so much but Noel has his strong suits Liam doesn’t have. Noel is and will always as a solo artist be much better suited for small theaters/halls and even more suited for Acoustic shows like Noel&Gem live. That's when he really shines. He is not and will never be a good front man. He is average at best in my humble opinion but when he performs Acoustic he is absolutely fantastic. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 9, 2021 9:11:47 GMT -5
I agree that we cannot compare Oasis and Liam solo in terms of grandiosity but I think that the trajectory in smaller scale is kinda similarish. As GlastoEls said from smaller venues to Knebworth in 3 years. I don’t agree that it’s just Liam’s name working for him. He did a very good job. Noel is as famous as Liam and I didn’t see him (so far) selling out even venues like Finsbury park. I don’t bring up Noel to stir shit. It’s just easy to compare them because they both were appr. the same age when they started their solo careers, they both have the same level of fame, the same fanbase. Same genre of music etc. The timing of start of his solo career was also perfect- ppl were tired of Oasis, Liam, RnR cliches etc. I.e. what one could do in terms of success the other theoretically could do too imo. Yeah Liam has charisma and voice of frontman (huge advantage when we talk about live music) and Noel.. well, not so much but Noel has his strong suits Liam doesn’t have. I don't wanna make it a Liam vs Noel thing, so don't take anything I'm gonna say as a knock on the other Noel was headlining the likes of T in the Park and selling out arenas, NGHFB #1 is still the best selling post-Oasis release by a wide margin and even sold more than a couple of Oasis records He could've carried on in that direction, that doesn't mean he could've got to Knebworth because we all know he's not as much of a frontman as Liam nor as much of a "rockstar" etc, but that would've been the safe path I'd go even further and say if he did an acoustic record after Chasing Yesterday that would've been a huge thing He took the risk and drifted apart instead, put out Who Built The Moon? knowing that wouldn't sit well with part of the fanbase and went even further with the EPs Not saying it was a conscious decision to get smaller, don't think anyone would want less success in his life, but as I've said before I think he'd happily live as a decent-sized but not massive act if that means he's got complete freedom and control of his art Liam's comeback story is fantastic, but you don't get that without him being "the Oasis frontman", which is fine btw I'm not criticising him for it because you still gotta pull it off and it's rare to see someone being so successful both in a band and then solo But Noel took a step back and he knew what he was doing, he feels free to do what he wants with no pressure and that's great He doesn't wanna be "the Oasis songwriter", probably never gonna completely shake that label off for the masses, but he's trying to make NGHFB a thing on its own I do believe if he chose the safest road, he could've pulled off a Finsbury Park kind of thing, especially after the whole injection of new fans Oasis got after Supersonic |
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Post by powerage09 on Oct 9, 2021 9:32:37 GMT -5
As good as Liam's solo albums are(I'm not that keen on As You Were but really like WMWN?), this shows the power and importance of Oasis in the UK. Only a handful of artists in the history of popular music could do this after almost 30 years in the business. Just wish I could go..... This is a fantastic post, I would go one step further and suggest Liam is almost in a league of his own because he's having success as a solo artist and giving us all the Oasis stuff, but he's doing it under his own name. I'm struggling to think of members of other bands that can match it. Roger Waters from Pink Floyd ironically is phenomenal on the big stage (Gilmour solo hasn't attempted it in the UK and I don't think he would). Ozzy Osbourne could have done a single Ozzfest of this size probably 10 years ago (prior to the final Black Sabbath reunion) but for years that event had multiple stages and was genuinely a festival so I'm not sure if that counts. No one from the Stones solo would get anywhere near this level. Same with U2, same with Led Zeppelin bar Page getting someone like Steven Tyler / Myles Kennedy in for a full Led Zeppelin set. Liam has the power as both a solo artist and with Oasis. With the exception of Hyde Park like it was Live 8 (a one off colossus), the UK is not big enough to hold him now. |
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Post by bt95 on Oct 9, 2021 10:46:12 GMT -5
Got two tickets for the Friday in the end.
Always thought he'd do two nights so didn't bother with the pre-sale.
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Post by bt95 on Oct 9, 2021 10:56:24 GMT -5
Incredible stuff even if it's 80k instead of 120k. Hopefully one of the nights is covered live in radio or TV. I think with everything that's gone on, and just the state of the world now compared to 1996, 80-90k was always likely to be the limit. Still, it's no small feat. 160-180k over two nights is massive. I'm still not fully sold that he had to do Knebworth. A big chunk of me still wants that left in the past, but I'm going, so I'm going to bloody enjoy it! |
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Post by walterglass on Oct 9, 2021 11:07:52 GMT -5
I hope it’s blindingly sunny and warm ☀️
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Post by Jim on Oct 9, 2021 11:50:25 GMT -5
I’ll be there all thanks to an absolute diamond who came to the rescue.
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Post by Jim on Oct 9, 2021 11:51:35 GMT -5
Oh and from 1200 people at the Barras in June 2017 to 90k in 2022….? Well played LG, it’s been a fucking ride and a half!
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