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Post by blurareshit on Jul 18, 2021 3:47:11 GMT -5
I've been going back through the band's televised live performances as I so often do, and I noticed something a bit peculiar...
Why did the band the band seem to not do very many late night TV & talk show appearances in America? And towards the end, they didn't do any US late night shows at all in the last chapter of the band's existence?
There were really only a handful of US TV appearances during their prime years, but some of these performances are just totally iconic:
Definitely Maybe era:
- "Supersonic" on the syndicated Jon Stewart Show back in fall '94
- Letterman debut "Live Forever" in March '95 after it got big on radio
Morning Glory era:
- Playing Letterman AGAIN in October '95, doing "Morning Glory" the week of WTSMG's release
- Strangely, NOTHING at all after Wonderwall/WTSMG blow up in the US in '96; no WW, Champagne, DLBIA
Be Here Now era:
- "Don't Go Away" on SNL and Letterman in '97 post-album release when they were in NYC for the Hammerstein shows
- "Don't Go Away" again on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and the Keenan Wayans Show in Jan '98 promoting US tour
Noel also appeared on Howard Stern's radio show in July 1997 to chat and play a couple songs. This was also broadcast on cable tv as the E! Network would feature the video feed of the studio. (the TV version of Noel's interview, overlaid with footage of Liam messing around at the 1996 VMA red carpet used to float around the internet - not sure if it exists anymore).
If MTV's 120 Minutes show counts, they performed once, I believe, in '94. The band were also interview guests (mainly Noel + one other member, like Bonehead, Liam, Whitey) a handful of times through '98. Noel was also interviewed on MTV's Total Request Live predecessor "MTV Live" twice(?) in '97/'98 circa the Be Here Now era.
Then of course, we get to Oasis version 2.0 and it becomes real slim...
Standing on the Shoulder of Giants era:
- Liam's infamous 2 minute interview on TRL the week of SOTSG's release in March 2000
- "Where Did It All Go Wrong" in April 2000 on the Tonight Show (can't even find this online anymore)
- "I Can See a Liar" (baffling) on Letterman in May 2000 - Liam's last performance with Oasis on US TV
On a related note, I recall seeing screengrabs on some ancient Oasis fansite of an interview Noel did on some American cable tv channel around the release of SOTSOG. The host didn't really look familiar nor did the studio setup. It's possible it was on VH1(?) as the video for Go Let it Out was getting some play on there & the Oasis episode of Behind the Music would also air around that time. It may have been also been on a very, very late period episode of 120 Minutes after Matt Pinfield left and the show was airing irregularly (very few people were still keeping up with the show at this point and MTV would take it off the air that summer). At any rate, I don't believe video of it has ever surfaced on the web before. Anybody have an idea what this might be?
Anyhow...
Heathen Chemistry era:
- "Little By Little" on Late Night with Conan O'Brien in August 2002 (pretty rare video, recently uploaded to Youtube)
Don't Believe the Truth era:
There was an intended appearance on Late Night with David Letterman on June 23, 2005, the day after their first ever Madison Square Garden show in New York and the day before their record June 25 show at the Tweeter Center in Boston. There's old posts about this in the forum from way back when.
Obviously, this would have been done to promote the new record, as well as that leg of the tour. However, you can also see it as the band resting on their laurels, tooting their own horn on national TV in the midst of their comeback. You know, showing America that Oasis were still around and very much alive and kicking.
(Just hypothetically, you could easily see Letterman framing their intro that night as "Our next guest made their network TV debut here with us 10 years ago and since then have sold over 50 million albums worldwide. They played their very first ever show at Madison Square Garden last night and will continue their American tour with a sold out performance in front of 20,000 fans at the Tweeter Center in Boston tomorrow. Here to perform a cut from their latest CD "Don't Believe the Truth", please welcome back to the program... Oasis!")
What would they have played? Surely "Lyla" was the obvious choice given that it was the lead single and actually getting some radio play at the time. Yet at the same time I think maybe Noel might have just done "The Importance of Being Idle" instead. I mean, Noel took the lead on Conan in 2002 instead of the band doing, say, Stop Crying Your Heart Out. Maybe he wanted the spotlight more when it came to the tv stuff? Maybe he didn't think Liam's voice was physically up for it at the time? Maybe Liam wouldn't have been arsed, anyway?
At any rate though, this didn't happen. Ben Folds ended up being the guest that night. We can only really speculate why. Couldn't fit into their busy schedule? Any ideas?
Dig Out Your Soul era:
Nothing. Just nothing at all. (Despite having their first Hot 100 entry and Top 15 alternative radio song since the 90s - no promo stateside really). Was it because the US tour was so short (seriously, like 10 US dates total over the course of a few weeks)? The bad blood between Liam and Noel was really flaring up? Noel's injury? The economy? Management didn't care?
I understand that once the Be Here Now flop era occurred (and then SOTSOG's release just solidified their status here), they no longer were a major concern in the American musical mainstream or in the eyes of Sony/Epic records. And that, because of this, opportunities to plug their music on a major nationwide platform dwindled because they were no longer an in-demand thing.
But to me, it's just a bit odd that there was seemingly a TV blackout of them in 2005 and 2008 when they were having at least some renewed success (even if it was partly just nostalgia for what once was) as opposed to their utter nadir of 2000 and 2002 with no radio play, playing tiny venues, being a washed up joke band to many, totally at odds with the dirge of nu metal and other crap "rap rock" on the radio. At the very least, their album sales post Be Here Now remained pretty consistent in America for the last decade of their career, about on par with Wilco and plenty of other American indie rock acts that had their own fandoms and existed outside the mainstream but still got late night TV slots.
Particularly, this is of interest to me because it seemed like those post-Oasis projects got more TV time than any of Oasis v2.0 (perhaps rivaling that original Oasis era).
Beady Eye got right onto Letterman soon after formation in 2011 and did a whole hour long webcast performance. Liam's solo stint even got him on the Colbert Late Show, Last Call with Carson Daly twice (plus web exclusive performances), and the Tonight Show three(!!!) times in just the past couple years.
Noel's got an even bigger bang out of his post-Oasis appearances. Him and the HFB did Letterman and Conan in 2011. And he's done performances on Jimmy Kimmel, and James Corden, and Seth Meyers, and the Tonight Show three (!!!) times as well. And CBS Sunday Morning (twice). And he's been not just performer, but as an interview subject on late night shows like James Corden, Seth Meyers, and The Jim Jefferies Show. He was even on the celebrity interview Youtube show Hot Ones. 15 years ago, I would have never thought that Noel would get an interview on late night talk shows in the US.
Why the recent change? Any speculation? Curious to see what the forum's thoughts are on these matters.
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Post by smash on Jul 18, 2021 4:21:04 GMT -5
There's this strange 1995 performance of Wonderwall for MTV where Noel sings and Liam is reduced to tambourine duty
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Post by oasiscam29 on Jul 18, 2021 9:25:44 GMT -5
I don't think the band were keen on America and doing these TV shows require more effort setting up all the Equipment the whole rehearsal sound check and then the taping and broadcast of the show it becomes just another gig to be honest and at that stage i think it was more appealing to chill do the normal concert tour dates and then buzz off out of town to the next date.
The thing that use to piss me off is watching the band go onto TV shows and have them mime i have no interest what so ever watching back that stuff i understand why it's done but yep not for me
Off topic for a bit but i can't recall many TV shows where U2 mimed i'm sure they did but nothing is jumping out at me at this point
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jul 18, 2021 10:07:39 GMT -5
They were supposed to have a televised live performance, and do one of the late night shows for DOYS, but that ended after Noel was attacked on stage in Toronto. He mentions that in his lawsuit against the guy who attacked him, I believe.
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Post by mahsteve on Jul 18, 2021 10:37:58 GMT -5
The band never really seemed to be successful in the USA. A lot of missed opportunities I think.
I get that they were not into the promotional side of things but that is how the world works. Before the age of the internet you had to do interviews, tv performances etc
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Post by jezza2 on Jul 18, 2021 11:24:01 GMT -5
What about the Champagne Supernova performance from the MTV music awards in '96?
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 18, 2021 16:08:49 GMT -5
Beady Eye got right onto Letterman soon after formation in 2011 and did a whole hour long webcast performance. Liam's solo stint even got him on the Colbert Late Show, Last Call with Carson Daly twice (plus web exclusive performances), and the Tonight Show three(!!!) times in just the past couple years.
Noel's got an even bigger bang out of his post-Oasis appearances. Him and the HFB did Letterman and Conan in 2011. And he's done performances on Jimmy Kimmel, and James Corden, and Seth Meyers, and the Tonight Show three (!!!) times as well. And CBS Sunday Morning (twice). And he's been not just performer, but as an interview subject on late night shows like James Corden, Seth Meyers, and The Jim Jefferies Show. He was even on the celebrity interview Youtube show Hot Ones. 15 years ago, I would have never thought that Noel would get an interview on late night talk shows in the US.
Why the recent change? Any speculation? Curious to see what the forum's thoughts are on these matters.It's pretty normal for a band to do far more promotion at the beginning of their career than when they are massive. You don't see the Rolling Stones doing all the US media outlets when they tour because why should they take an afternoon they could be spending having fun in the city if they don't even remotely have to (you do see them though when they have a book, movie or solo album to push.) After the breakup of Oasis, it was very, very necessary for both Beady Eye and NGHFB to relaunch themselves, especially in America where the Gallaghers were not everyday objects of press obsession as they were/are in England. A lot of US fans were lost when Oasis broke up -- and it was a good idea to really try to seduce them back into the fold of the brothers' new projects. (Probably even more could have been done in both cases but it would have taken them spending some time over here working the press, which I don't think was ever of much interest.) I don't think there was ever a "blackout." Late-night show appearances are typically set up by a publicist (usually working for the record company or hired by band management). You go to them, they don't come to you. You say, "Oasis is in town these 3 days and their album is huge so do you want to book them." They probably did (although important to remember that just as the guest wants to get promotion out of it, the talk show wants to get ratings out of it and will always take the sexiest guest available), but lots of things can go wrong. Maybe the schedules don't align and that's that. Maybe the late-night show is on hiatus when the band is in town. Maybe Noel is getting on a plane the day before Liam and it can't be changed. Maybe the band tells the PR they don't want to do stuff where they all have to appear together to keep the peace. If you're coming all this way to tour and you want to keep building a fan base it makes sense to do the late-night shows if you can, but if you're Oasis in 2008, you might not be thinking that way.
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Post by uboasis on Jul 18, 2021 21:46:54 GMT -5
There's this strange 1995 performance of Wonderwall for MTV where Noel sings and Liam is reduced to tambourine duty It's interesting, everyone knows about the bad press Oasis got in 1996 because of MTV Unplugged (Liam not showing up), US Tour (Liam staying in UK for first show), MTV Awards (Liam bashing the show and spitting on stage), Tour cancelation in the middle of tour, but this actually started earlier. This is opinion article from MTV News Staff in 1995 ripping into oasis' attitude following this outdoor winter 'gig' on MTV. MTV News US Bashes Oasis in 1995Honestly, I don't blame MTV for not liking how oasis acted. I also definitely think it sucks if you were a fan that had a show canceled because of them. However, as crazy as it sounds, this is all part of their history, their story and I wouldn't change it. It's one of those things that was 'different' about oasis in that they didn't want to play the game.
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Post by RocketMan on Jul 21, 2021 6:00:44 GMT -5
What about the Champagne Supernova performance from the MTV music awards in '96? Where Liam spits on stage and repeatedly insulted the crowd
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