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Post by drewsky34 on Jun 27, 2021 17:42:14 GMT -5
I’m just wondering what would be a logical reason to not release a box set or more reissues of later albums? Even if they weren’t as popular it seems at least to me like the costs of making them would be super low. Or can someone who knows more than me tell me otherwise? I just feel like oasis is terrible about releasing their back catalogue.
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yogurt
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Post by yogurt on Jun 27, 2021 20:13:05 GMT -5
Well I guess a big part might be the fact the later albums were on Big Brother, their own label , not some major label (although I think they may have had some distribution thing with Sony later).
So any re-issue of later albums would essentially mean the band putting the money into it, a defunct band at that. With physical sales being almost a thing of the past, and the fact they won’t tour to promote it, it becomes a big gamble to re-issue albums that are not considered a classic when it would essentially be a self-release. I guess another label could sign some kind of deal to release the later albums on behalf of the band because, but again, there’s probably not a lot of money in it at this point.
Obviously the band own the publishing for the songs they wrote, but a publishing deal and record deal are 2 different things.
Also with those later albums being self released on Big Brother, you would have to get the parties in the band to agree to do it, which could be another problem..
With all that in mind, it’s probably a bit of a headache and big gamble for a few albums that only hardcore fans will care about 15 years on..
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jun 27, 2021 20:38:43 GMT -5
I’m just wondering what would be a logical reason to not release a box set or more reissues of later albums? Even if they weren’t as popular it seems at least to me like the costs of making them would be super low. Or can someone who knows more than me tell me otherwise? I just feel like oasis is terrible about releasing their back catalogue. Here's the problem - the costs are not super low. For example just accessing the original multitrack tapes involves huge costs. Noel or Liam can't just wander into the place where they're stored and lift them off the shelf. Firstly they'd have to find out where those multitrack master and outtake tapes are stored. That means putting an official request in with whoever has arranged storage of the tapes (usually the record label). Even when their location is tracked down, the label is not going to just release them to anybody who asks. The record label will want to know who wants them and why, and will need legal paperwork drawn up to make sure the people asking for access are legally allowed to. Noel and Liam's legal people will need to start talking to the record label's legal people. That costs money and so far nobody has even sighted the tape boxes, let alone blown the dust off them. Then if the tape storage has been outsourced to a private storage facility, that facility may charge a fee to physically send one of their staff down into the vaults to retrieve the tapes. Then the tapes have to be transferred to digital - that means paying for audio engineers and a studio. To be fair, the latter Oasis albums may have always had digital masters rather than tape masters which may make things easier. If they want to include studio outtakes as well as just remastering the original album, somebody has to sit through all of those outtakes and make note of anything interesting they think might be worth including. Every time Noel makes a decision about the project it probably has to be approved by Liam - and vice versa. That's probably not a regular chat between both of them down the local pub over a pint every Friday night - it's probably all done through lawyers who are charging by the minute. Even once all the tracks are chosen and mixed and remastered there's legal costs associated with songwriting royalties and recording royalties. Then even if the tracklisting and artwork is all approved of and signed off, there's costs associated with marketing and packaging and distribution. I don't think those first three recent Oasis reissues made big money. If they did they would have continued long before now. I don't even think they accessed any of the original multitrack session tapes (they may not even still exist) but just the album masters. All the outtakes seem to have been lifted from cassette tapes or CDRs.
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Post by megyesitomate on Jun 27, 2021 21:04:43 GMT -5
I don't think Noel is particularly fond of any of them in the first place. There are some songs off them that he likes but as albums, I think he'd just let them be forgotten.
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Post by drewsky34 on Jun 27, 2021 21:19:39 GMT -5
I’m just wondering what would be a logical reason to not release a box set or more reissues of later albums? Even if they weren’t as popular it seems at least to me like the costs of making them would be super low. Or can someone who knows more than me tell me otherwise? I just feel like oasis is terrible about releasing their back catalogue. Here's the problem - the costs are not super low. For example just accessing the original multitrack tapes involves huge costs. Noel or Liam can't just wander into the place where they're stored and lift them off the shelf. Firstly they'd have to find out where those multitrack master and outtake tapes are stored. That means putting an official request in with whoever has arranged storage of the tapes (usually the record label). Even when their location is tracked down, the label is not going to just release them to anybody who asks. The record label will want to know who wants them and why, and will need legal paperwork drawn up to make sure the people asking for access are legally allowed to. Noel and Liam's legal people will need to start talking to the record label's legal people. That costs money and so far nobody has even sighted the tape boxes, let alone blown the dust off them. Then if the tape storage has been outsourced to a private storage facility, that facility may charge a fee to physically send one of their staff down into the vaults to retrieve the tapes. Then the tapes have to be transferred to digital - that means paying for audio engineers and a studio. To be fair, the latter Oasis albums may have always had digital masters rather than tape masters which may make things easier. If they want to include studio outtakes as well as just remastering the original album, somebody has to sit through all of those outtakes and make note of anything interesting they think might be worth including. Every time Noel makes a decision about the project it probably has to be approved by Liam - and vice versa. That's probably not a regular chat between both of them down the local pub over a pint every Friday night - it's probably all done through lawyers who are charging by the minute. Even once all the tracks are chosen and mixed and remastered there's legal costs associated with songwriting royalties and recording royalties. Then even if the tracklisting and artwork is all approved of and signed off, there's costs associated with marketing and packaging and distribution. I don't think those first three recent Oasis reissues made big money. If they did they would have continued long before now. I don't even think they accessed any of the original multitrack session tapes (they may not even still exist) but just the album masters. All the outtakes seem to have been lifted from cassette tapes or CDRs. See I knew there was a reason it had to be difficult! Crazy though makes me appreciative that other bands have done it. I just feel like oasis deserves a career spanning box set with all the B sides and rarities.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 28, 2021 6:43:52 GMT -5
I just don’t think the interest is there and the money isn’t to be made.
The solution was the best of but that got vetoed.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 28, 2021 7:24:15 GMT -5
I just don’t think the interest is there and the money isn’t to be made. The solution was the best of but that got vetoed. You don’t think the interest is there? Really? The solution isn’t a best of with a single disk tacked on that simply can’t be representative of the work from that time. It requires the will to do it, and that means Noel sitting down and going through it. He hasn’t got time at the moment because he’s busy doing other things, hopefully at some point he will.
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jun 28, 2021 8:29:17 GMT -5
I just don’t think the interest is there and the money isn’t to be made. The solution was the best of but that got vetoed. You don’t think the interest is there? Really? The solution isn’t a best of with a single disk tacked on that simply can’t be representative of the work from that time. It requires the will to do it, and that means Noel sitting down and going through it. He hasn’t got time at the moment because he’s busy doing other things, hopefully at some point he will. A "best of" or even a compilation of previously released b-sides and rarities is a waste of time - fans can compile their own on spotify these days. What Oasis need is something more like The Beatles Anthology - a fun documentary TV series about the history of the band with plenty of new sarcastic, mad comments from Noel and Liam alongside archival footage. It's the TV show that would generate press interest if it's done well and a tie-in multi-disc release of unheard Oasis music would sell off the back of that press interest. But that's a big project that would require alot of work. Those half-hearted Chasing The Sun re-releases with a handful of rare tracks were never going to excite anybody but the most hardcore Oasis fan.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 28, 2021 9:33:31 GMT -5
You don’t think the interest is there? Really? The solution isn’t a best of with a single disk tacked on that simply can’t be representative of the work from that time. It requires the will to do it, and that means Noel sitting down and going through it. He hasn’t got time at the moment because he’s busy doing other things, hopefully at some point he will. A "best of" or even a compilation of previously released b-sides and rarities is a waste of time - fans can compile their own on spotify these days. What Oasis need is something more like The Beatles Anthology - a fun documentary TV series about the history of the band with plenty of new sarcastic, mad comments from Noel and Liam alongside archival footage. It's the TV show that would generate press interest if it's done well and a tie-in multi-disc release of unheard Oasis music would sell off the back of that press interest. But that's a big project that would require alot of work. Those half-hearted Chasing The Sun re-releases with a handful of rare tracks were never going to excite anybody but the most hardcore Oasis fan. Yeah absolutely. I think a three or four disk set ( yes I know they’re basically obsolete, just trying illustrate size of project) covering the years 91’-99’ and then another covering 00’ - 09’ would be perfect.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 28, 2021 13:42:31 GMT -5
A "best of" or even a compilation of previously released b-sides and rarities is a waste of time - fans can compile their own on spotify these days. What Oasis need is something more like The Beatles Anthology - a fun documentary TV series about the history of the band with plenty of new sarcastic, mad comments from Noel and Liam alongside archival footage. It's the TV show that would generate press interest if it's done well and a tie-in multi-disc release of unheard Oasis music would sell off the back of that press interest. But that's a big project that would require alot of work. Those half-hearted Chasing The Sun re-releases with a handful of rare tracks were never going to excite anybody but the most hardcore Oasis fan. Yeah absolutely. I think a three or four disk set ( yes I know they’re basically obsolete, just trying illustrate size of project) covering the years 91’-99’ and then another covering 00’ - 09’ would be perfect. Yeah, I agree with you and I think that's probably the way to go as long as both Noel and Liam agree to it. And, include unreleased tracks and out takes as well.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 28, 2021 14:11:37 GMT -5
It requires the will to do it, and that means Noel sitting down and going through it. He hasn’t got time at the moment because he’s busy doing other things, hopefully at some point he will. Yeah, this. This is the kind of thing people get around to when they're older and not touring and recording as much and have the time (and maybe more importantly the inclination) to sit about noodling around and making it right. There's certainly a market for it, but also no particular reason to do it now, especially while other stuff is currently happening-- the Knebworth movie and release will push the Oasis brand to a wider audience for quite some time.
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Post by jupi on Jul 3, 2021 6:01:47 GMT -5
Thanks to the brilliant insights fabulousbakers and @yogurt ! Reading this topic gave me couple of ideas that might be quite obvious but here goes: Noel said in the past that they will reissue the 00's albums at some point, too, but that hasn't happened. Instead he said now that they were planning a Best of from that era. Could it be that because they were uncertain about the sales of possible reissues and the work it would take, it would be easier to start with a best of? It could have been used to see if the interest is there and/or to generate some more interest to those albums. Secondly, I think that it is possible they were planning to cash in the new Oasis fans with the scrapped best of. I mean they are going to release the Knebworth stuff later this year - why not to release the later day best of to present the post-Knebworth material to the new audience?
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