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Post by Thedaftstrangler on May 7, 2021 21:35:52 GMT -5
FYI im talking about the intrumental released on the Be Here Now Reissue NOT the Be Here Now (song) demo
what are yours thoughts on this instrumental?
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Post by Flashbax on May 8, 2021 3:15:26 GMT -5
Amazing how this song became Be Here Now. Almost a totally different song.
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Post by robg1979 on May 8, 2021 4:02:05 GMT -5
It didn't become Be Here Now, it's another example of how the management cocked up royally again by not getting the Rolling Stones sample cleared from the actual Be Here Now Mustique demo.
We can only assume it was too much of an issue for them to sort at such a late stage, so all they did was get another completely unrelated track and bang that in the tracklisting in its place.
Just shows how inept they are are sorting things out. To not acknowledge the mistake, and have the audacity to call this unrelated song Trip Inside (Be Here Now) is just an insult to the fanbase. Now that IS the title of the actual demo. They have not spoken about it publicly because, well let's face it, it's highly embarrassing.
As for the song, I like it and I'm glad we got it, but not in these circumstances. Sounds like a noodling of Talk Tonight to me, a very somber melody for Noel. It appears to have been taken from a cassette recording as the quality isn't great.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 8, 2021 4:29:28 GMT -5
This is what it sounds like on my copy of the cd:
But when I look on Apple Music it’s the instrumental. Weird.
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Post by Gas Panic on May 8, 2021 6:29:23 GMT -5
This is what it sounds like on my copy of the cd: But when I look on Apple Music it’s the instrumental. Weird. What version of the CD do you have? It was my understanding that the original demo was only on the withdrawn promo CD.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 8, 2021 7:13:42 GMT -5
This is what it sounds like on my copy of the cd: But when I look on Apple Music it’s the instrumental. Weird. What version of the CD do you have? It was my understanding that the original demo was only on the withdrawn promo CD. I’ll have to dig the CD out later on and check out. I was sure I had the proper demo on it though.
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Post by mimmihopps on May 8, 2021 7:18:28 GMT -5
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Post by powerage09 on May 8, 2021 7:29:46 GMT -5
As always, don't fuck with the Stones.
Number one rule for any artists, don't sample them, it's not worth it!
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Post by underneaththesky on May 8, 2021 7:30:14 GMT -5
still have the mp3 version I downloaded when it leaked and it's the real demo
can't believe we still don't know anything about that acoustic yawn we got instead
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 8, 2021 8:47:27 GMT -5
My bad. I do have the instrumental on my copy. I must have replaced it with the actual demo on my computer at some point as I don’t really listen to CDs much these days.
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Post by Flashbax on May 8, 2021 9:37:17 GMT -5
It didn't become Be Here Now, it's another example of how the management cocked up royally again by not getting the Rolling Stones sample cleared from the actual Be Here Now Mustique demo. We can only assume it was too much of an issue for them to sort at such a late stage, so all they did was get another completely unrelated track and bang that in the tracklisting in its place. Just shows how inept they are are sorting things out. To not acknowledge the mistake, and have the audacity to call this unrelated song Trip Inside (Be Here Now) is just an insult to the fanbase. Now that IS the title of the actual demo. They have not spoken about it publicly because, well let's face it, it's highly embarrassing. As for the song, I like it and I'm glad we got it, but not in these circumstances. Sounds like a noodling of Talk Tonight to me, a very somber melody for Noel. It appears to have been taken from a cassette recording as the quality isn't great. I know.
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Post by robg1979 on May 8, 2021 10:08:47 GMT -5
Fair enough, but I always think it's good to point out what did happen on such occasions for those not in the know.
One day I hope they (the management) will come to the fans to ask / help them sort through their archives as they clearly have no clue.
Presuming that the (8 track?) stems for all the Be Here Now demos still exist, dont see why they couldn't have just taken off the sample to begin with once it was pointed out. Ah yes of course, that would have meant half a morning's work for someone, what am I thinking.
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Post by carl80 on May 8, 2021 11:28:46 GMT -5
I remember this on here in the build up to when the re issue was issued, I was really gutted ,sure a lot where, it really stunk the way they managed it regarding the missing track, delaying by a week from the original release date, they probably just found what ever they could to replace it with cause they couldn’t get the clearance in time, I mean how does it sound anything like Trip inside or be here now mustique demo ?
I think it’s only promo copies that the real demo is included, I tracked the promo set down not too long after it all come out and it was confirmed it was on there but it wasn’t good the way they handled it, there’s rumours some box set cd copies had the real demo included on the sets but I’m not sure, far as I know it’s only the promo’s.
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Post by carl80 on May 8, 2021 11:46:34 GMT -5
Fair enough, but I always think it's good to point out what did happen on such occasions for those not in the know. One day I hope they (the management) will come to the fans to ask / help them sort through their archives as they clearly have no clue. Presuming that the (8 track?) stems for all the Be Here Now demos still exist, dont see why they couldn't have just taken off the sample to begin with once it was pointed out. Ah yes of course, that would have meant half a morning's work for someone, what am I thinking. I agree, and everyone had already pre ordered everything when it was announced so they probably didn’t want to lose out on sales, I was actually gutted I had given my money to them when it all came out about the way it had been handled.
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Post by tiger40 on May 8, 2021 13:06:24 GMT -5
It was really bad with the way it was all handled and they could have easily explained why the proper track wasn't included on the album instead of just sweeping it under the carpet.
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Post by asimarx on May 8, 2021 13:14:01 GMT -5
Let's try to see it the other way 'round - if the management hadn't messed it up and realized in time that they would not be able to the clear the rights - there'd be no actual Be Here Now demo for us to listen to at all. And I think alongside the DYKWIM demo, it's actually the most interesting early version of what it all became.
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Post by Flashbax on May 8, 2021 16:07:50 GMT -5
I really wonder what that track is that we got, for some reason I really like it
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Post by carl80 on May 9, 2021 6:38:41 GMT -5
Not sure what it is mate but it’s not a mustique demo so shouldn’t have been included with them, it’s nothing to do with what trip inside/be here now would have become, they should have just left it off the 3rd disc and included it on disc two and labelled it up properly, as others have said, some clarity about the track would be good.
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Post by robg1979 on May 9, 2021 8:03:49 GMT -5
Not sure what it is mate but it’s not a mustique demo so shouldn’t have been included with them, it’s nothing to do with what trip inside/be here now would have become, they should have just left it off the 3rd disc and included it on disc two and labelled it up properly, as others have said, some clarity about the track would be good. I ageee but that would have meant having to print all the artwork again to have a different tracklisting. It was the simplest/easiest way out for Ignition, just replace the track and hope nobody notices. Shame for them that promo CD's were out in the wild, and us (the fans) talk to each other.
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Post by glider on May 9, 2021 9:15:58 GMT -5
As always, don't fuck with the Stones. Number one rule for any artists, don't sample them, it's not worth it! Still got one of the greatest songs in the last 25 years out of it, worth it!
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Post by glider on May 9, 2021 9:23:34 GMT -5
I really wonder what that track is that we got, for some reason I really like it Always sounded like a very, very early version of a The Girl In The Dirty Shirt/Stand by Me hybrid, you can hear the bridge to Girl and then a faint choral arrangement similar to Stand by Me. That's just what I hear, otherwise it's some obscure noodling that may not even be from Noel.
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Post by tiger40 on May 9, 2021 12:59:14 GMT -5
Well, I don't know what it is but if it is an early version of The Girl In The Dirty Shirt or Stand By Me then why didn't they just list it as that.
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Post by robg1979 on May 9, 2021 13:30:58 GMT -5
Well, I don't know what it is but if it is an early version of The Girl In The Dirty Shirt or Stand By Me then why didn't they just list it as that. Why would they give us it's proper title? They were clearly using it as desperate fix to plaster over the Rolling Stones debacle. Make no mistake about this, we would have certainly not heard this track on the re-issue if the sample had been cleared or erased on the actual demo. Otherwise it's likely we would have never heard it. And this is just it, I'm grateful that we got this extra track, but not in the way we got it. And I'm bitter about it too because it meant I had to donate a kidney to be able to afford the promo CD 😂 Seriously though, Ignition have never even acknowledged the actual demo track on the promo CD, that should tell you all you need to know.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 9, 2021 15:21:12 GMT -5
I really wonder what that track is that we got, for some reason I really like it No idea but my best guess would be it's a demo for one of these:
I wouldn't be surprised if an early version of 'Teotihuacan' made up one of these songs too.
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Post by mkoasis on May 9, 2021 15:56:17 GMT -5
I really wonder what that track is that we got, for some reason I really like it No idea but my best guess would be it's a demo for one of these:
I wouldn't be surprised if an early version of 'Teotihuacan' made up one of these songs too. Thank you, I appreciate you posting that. It’s crazy to think of BHN coming out as a double album. But I don’t think anyone at the record company would have said no. After MG, they could have put anything out.
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