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Post by thespiderandthefly on Oct 11, 2024 8:56:35 GMT -5
I pretty much stopped following Coldplay after Mylo Xyloto, but it's impossible to run away from their singles if you listen to radio (which I do). I am listening to Moon Music now and WHY ON EARTH is the tune called feelslikeimfallinginlove instead of plain and simples Feels Like I'm Falling in Love? I have heard this one on radio and it is kinda nice, not the kind of music I usually listen voluntarily but nice, but I never noticed this thing about the song title and I'm just wondering... why?? Because you’re much cooler if your song titles are all lowercase, uppercase, or just emojis.
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Post by matt on Oct 12, 2024 13:00:42 GMT -5
I was reading how much Finneas (Billie Eilish's brother and songwriter) says Viva La Vida influenced his career. We're in that time where a lot of modern/contemporary songwriters were inspired by that album and period. It's just astonishing how much apparent disregard it is given by Coldplay. If they and Chris Martin knew of its impact, they'd deliver something as ambitious and musically brilliant as that album. Don't know of any other band where their best album is kinda ignored in such a way.
A super deluxe edition of that album would be the dream.
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Post by notsally on Oct 12, 2024 13:13:47 GMT -5
I was reading how much Finneas (Billie Eilish's brother and songwriter) says Viva La Vida influenced his career. We're in that time where a lot of modern/contemporary songwriters were inspired by that album and period. It's just astonishing how much apparent disregard it is given by Coldplay. If they and Chris Martin knew of its impact, they'd deliver something as ambitious and musically brilliant as that album. Don't know of any other band where their best album is kinda ignored in such a way. A super deluxe edition of that album would be the dream. I think I've watched video on this subject so the idea is not all mine. I think it was Rick Beato. Coldplay and acts like such won't get critical acclaim with a new Viva La Vida and they probably realized that. It might sound pretentious, boring etc. Another Viva La Vida will probably not fill stadiums across the globe. Between taking risks for critical acclaim and achiving commercial success with less effort, it seems clearly they went for the second one. Edit: let me add that I don't think at all that commercial success is bad and failure is good. Artists winning their money is what allows them to be professionals and therefore work professionaly with music. But it's also known that the balance between commercial success, quality and critical acclaim is harsh
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Post by matt on Oct 12, 2024 13:56:39 GMT -5
I was reading how much Finneas (Billie Eilish's brother and songwriter) says Viva La Vida influenced his career. We're in that time where a lot of modern/contemporary songwriters were inspired by that album and period. It's just astonishing how much apparent disregard it is given by Coldplay. If they and Chris Martin knew of its impact, they'd deliver something as ambitious and musically brilliant as that album. Don't know of any other band where their best album is kinda ignored in such a way. A super deluxe edition of that album would be the dream. I think I've watched video on this subject so the idea is not all mine. I think it was Rick Beato. Coldplay and acts like such won't get critical acclaim with a new Viva La Vida and they probably realized that. It might sound pretentious, boring etc. Another Viva La Vida will probably not fill stadiums across the globe. Between taking risks for critical acclaim and achiving commercial success with less effort, it seems clearly they went for the second one. Edit: let me add that I don't think at all that commercial success is bad and failure is good. Artists winning their money is what allows them to be professionals and therefore work professionaly with music. But it's also known that the balance between commercial success, quality and critical acclaim is harsh When was the last time an album was released that got widespread commercial appeal with critical acclaim yet was just the pure product of just the band/artist themselves and a producer? It's not so much a rhetorical question, I genuinely would like to find which artists/bands have done so. Because as far as I can see, all these critically acclaimed 'artists' that have released commercially and critically successful albums recently all have an army of producers and songwriters.
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Post by notsally on Oct 12, 2024 14:14:47 GMT -5
I think I've watched video on this subject so the idea is not all mine. I think it was Rick Beato. Coldplay and acts like such won't get critical acclaim with a new Viva La Vida and they probably realized that. It might sound pretentious, boring etc. Another Viva La Vida will probably not fill stadiums across the globe. Between taking risks for critical acclaim and achiving commercial success with less effort, it seems clearly they went for the second one. Edit: let me add that I don't think at all that commercial success is bad and failure is good. Artists winning their money is what allows them to be professionals and therefore work professionaly with music. But it's also known that the balance between commercial success, quality and critical acclaim is harsh When was the last time an album was released that got widespread commercial appeal with critical acclaim yet was just the pure product of just the band/artist themselves and a producer? It's not so much a rhetorical question, I genuinely would like to find which artists/bands have done so. Because as far as I can see, all these critically acclaimed 'artists' that have released commercially and critically successful albums recently all have an army of producers and songwriters. It could as well be a rethorical question. I genuinely cannot think of one that meet the 3 criterias (critical acclaim, commercial success and little external interference) in the past 5 years or so. In my case it doesn't really help that I went through really some bad times and lost all interest I used to have in music, but I've done my best to keep up with the new things. There are things I like from the past years but they are not commercially successful in the fashion of Coldplay and such. The thing is that it seems like it gets harder and harder to achieve the three and I tend to believe that it tells us more about the musical market than artists themselves
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Post by Manualex on Oct 13, 2024 15:26:49 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 13, 2024 16:29:31 GMT -5
Much like Oasis 2000-2008, it’s not about debuting high, it’s about hanging around for months and months and months. I’d expect a sharp decline moving forward now that the day 1 physical sales are gone.
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Post by matt on Oct 13, 2024 18:13:53 GMT -5
Much like Oasis 2000-2008, it’s not about debuting high, it’s about hanging around for months and months and months. I’d expect a sharp decline moving forward now that the day 1 physical sales are gone. Very true. That said, biggest opening sales since AHFOD. Yeah okay, probably shows how crap Music of the Spheres* is, but the physical sales are higher in the UK too than the last few years. Reminded me that somebody said CDs are starting to see a bit of a lift. I wonder if that's true. *Has there ever been an album so so poor yet contain something so great like Coloratura? It's almost a paradox.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 13, 2024 20:22:11 GMT -5
Much like Oasis 2000-2008, it’s not about debuting high, it’s about hanging around for months and months and months. I’d expect a sharp decline moving forward now that the day 1 physical sales are gone. Very true. That said, biggest opening sales since AHFOD. Yeah okay, probably shows how crap Music of the Spheres* is, but the physical sales are higher in the UK too than the last few years. Reminded me that somebody said CDs are starting to see a bit of a lift. I wonder if that's true. *Has there ever been an album so so poor yet contain something so great like Coloratura? It's almost a paradox. It was to be expected that Everyday Life would not be a big seller. They weren’t gonna tour it. The band promoted it as a “smaller” album……and then Covid came rolling in altering the world for a 21+ month period. That album was a small brief glimpse of the old Coldplay and what they can do when they band together. It’s not perfect, far from it actually, but it has spirit. It has a purpose. Music of the Spheres feels almost like a panic move after Everyday Life and the pandemic. I know it was already pre planned but it’s by far their worst album and I didn’t think anything would steal the crown from AHFOD. Moon Music feels so much more completed and well rounded. It still has the same flaws as its older brother (over produced, band members being MIA, generic lyrics) but it sounds like a solid thread from A to Z.
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Post by glider on Oct 14, 2024 0:06:24 GMT -5
Very true. That said, biggest opening sales since AHFOD. Yeah okay, probably shows how crap Music of the Spheres* is, but the physical sales are higher in the UK too than the last few years. Reminded me that somebody said CDs are starting to see a bit of a lift. I wonder if that's true. *Has there ever been an album so so poor yet contain something so great like Coloratura? It's almost a paradox. It was to be expected that Everyday Life would not be a big seller. They weren’t gonna tour it. The band promoted it as a “smaller” album……and then Covid came rolling in altering the world for a 21+ month period. That album was a small brief glimpse of the old Coldplay and what they can do when they band together. It’s not perfect, far from it actually, but it has spirit. It has a purpose. Music of the Spheres feels almost like a panic move after Everyday Life and the pandemic. I know it was already pre planned but it’s by far their worst album and I didn’t think anything would steal the crown from AHFOD. Moon Music feels so much more completed and well rounded. It still has the same flaws as its older brother (over produced, band members being MIA, generic lyrics) but it sounds like a solid thread from A to Z. Everyday Life is a lovely record. When Chris just focuses on making meaningful tunes, between true introspection (Champion of the World, Old Friends) racial discrimination and gun violence (Guns, Trouble in Town), or the loss of innocence (Orphans), those generational intangibles are on full display. A well put together LP from beginning to end. It really seems they need to get away from making everything sound so universally appealing. It's sonic melatonin. A great single doesn't need garden variety garnishes and Max Martin production to be internationally successful. Viva La Vida (the song) proved it. It's arguably their most enduring record hit because it was an unorthodox production for a pop song at the time, yet contained that otherworldly hook quality that gets burned in your collective memory for years to come.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 14, 2024 0:36:29 GMT -5
It was to be expected that Everyday Life would not be a big seller. They weren’t gonna tour it. The band promoted it as a “smaller” album……and then Covid came rolling in altering the world for a 21+ month period. That album was a small brief glimpse of the old Coldplay and what they can do when they band together. It’s not perfect, far from it actually, but it has spirit. It has a purpose. Music of the Spheres feels almost like a panic move after Everyday Life and the pandemic. I know it was already pre planned but it’s by far their worst album and I didn’t think anything would steal the crown from AHFOD. Moon Music feels so much more completed and well rounded. It still has the same flaws as its older brother (over produced, band members being MIA, generic lyrics) but it sounds like a solid thread from A to Z. Everyday Life is a lovely record. When Chris just focuses on making meaningful tunes, between true introspection (Champion of the World, Old Friends) racial discrimination and gun violence (Guns, Trouble in Town), or the loss of innocence (Orphans), those generational intangibles are on full display. A well put together LP from beginning to end. It really seems they need to get away from making everything sound so universally appealing. It's sonic melatonin. A great single doesn't need garden variety garnishes and Max Martin production to be internationally successful. Viva La Vida (the song) proved it. It's arguably their most enduring record hit because it was an unorthodox production for a pop song at the time, yet contained that otherworldly hook quality that gets burned in your collective memory for years to come. Interesting point. Whenever I ask people what song they think Coldplay will be remembered for, it always comes down to Yellow, Fix You and Viva. I’ll go with Yellow.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 14, 2024 5:19:59 GMT -5
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 14, 2024 8:00:38 GMT -5
Much like Oasis 2000-2008, it’s not about debuting high, it’s about hanging around for months and months and months. I’d expect a sharp decline moving forward now that the day 1 physical sales are gone. Very true. That said, biggest opening sales since AHFOD. Yeah okay, probably shows how crap Music of the Spheres* is, but the physical sales are higher in the UK too than the last few years. Reminded me that somebody said CDs are starting to see a bit of a lift. I wonder if that's true. *Has there ever been an album so so poor yet contain something so great like Coloratura? It's almost a paradox. Don't Believe the Truth had The Importance of Being Idle after all...
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Post by matt on Oct 14, 2024 15:06:07 GMT -5
Very true. That said, biggest opening sales since AHFOD. Yeah okay, probably shows how crap Music of the Spheres* is, but the physical sales are higher in the UK too than the last few years. Reminded me that somebody said CDs are starting to see a bit of a lift. I wonder if that's true. *Has there ever been an album so so poor yet contain something so great like Coloratura? It's almost a paradox. Don't Believe the Truth had The Importance of Being Idle after all... Hmm, I think Don't Believe The Truth is a much much better album but Coloratura is a much better song than anything from it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 15, 2024 12:10:21 GMT -5
The so called “final” Coldplay single of their career, has charted at #43 in the UK and did not chart in America. We Pray did at #87. What a whimper. I didn’t think it was ever going to go down as one of their true masterpieces regardless of what Chris says.
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Post by matt on Oct 15, 2024 17:43:32 GMT -5
It was to be expected that Everyday Life would not be a big seller. They weren’t gonna tour it. The band promoted it as a “smaller” album……and then Covid came rolling in altering the world for a 21+ month period. That album was a small brief glimpse of the old Coldplay and what they can do when they band together. It’s not perfect, far from it actually, but it has spirit. It has a purpose. Music of the Spheres feels almost like a panic move after Everyday Life and the pandemic. I know it was already pre planned but it’s by far their worst album and I didn’t think anything would steal the crown from AHFOD. Moon Music feels so much more completed and well rounded. It still has the same flaws as its older brother (over produced, band members being MIA, generic lyrics) but it sounds like a solid thread from A to Z. Everyday Life is a lovely record. When Chris just focuses on making meaningful tunes, between true introspection (Champion of the World, Old Friends) racial discrimination and gun violence (Guns, Trouble in Town), or the loss of innocence (Orphans), those generational intangibles are on full display. A well put together LP from beginning to end. It really seems they need to get away from making everything sound so universally appealing. It's sonic melatonin. A great single doesn't need garden variety garnishes and Max Martin production to be internationally successful. Viva La Vida (the song) proved it. It's arguably their most enduring record hit because it was an unorthodox production for a pop song at the time, yet contained that otherworldly hook quality that gets burned in your collective memory for years to come. It's interesting how all the strings on that song are synths. Gives the song that other worldly feel to it. Such a rich, textured album full of variety, the entire album sounds gorgeous.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 16, 2024 4:39:51 GMT -5
Regardless of my feelings on the album itself, what Coldplay are achieving right now is fucking ridiculous.
They are outstreaming Taylor Swift on Spotify in terms of monthly-listeners right now.
That won't last, of course, but it's hard to put into words how insane it is that an indie band from the late nineties who broke out among the likes of Athlete and Starsailor are out-performing the commercial juggernauts of the mid-2020's on the cutting-edge platforms so effortlessly. They're putting on the single biggest (highest-attended) music tour in human history right now. They've pushed their first-week sales back a decade to their 2010's pop-domination phase and they've done it all with a good reception from their new generation of teenage and younger fans which they've somehow managed to keep generating across the globe consistently for twenty-five fucking years. I was on a pop music forum the other day, and the people there were talking about Moon Music being the first Coldplay album they've ever come into contact with, and how much they enjoyed it. Think about that.
It's insane. Who else achieves things like this? Seriously, which other band has been this globally huge, this consistently, for this long? It can't be a long list. I know they're a generic outfit in many ways, I know they write for the most communally pleasing aesthetic they can find, but regardless, what they do is ridiculous. We know as Oasis fans how hard it is to keep up the relevancy of a hot streak early in your career. To be here after a quarter of a century still being so relevant is a huge achievement.
It's a very small club of bands who can achieve that, but Coldplay is sat right there.
And they're doing it all eco-friendly, and I'm proud of them. Well done, polite middle-class boys.
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 16, 2024 10:06:16 GMT -5
^ Amen.
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Post by matt on Oct 16, 2024 15:39:56 GMT -5
Regardless of its flaws, the new album continues to grow on me. I just find it impossible to dislike. Like a puppy that isn't toilet trained, its overall endearing nature helps you to overcome its flaws. It's a 7/10 album and its overall mood is infectious to me. I can't explain it more than that, but for me there's a sincerity to the music that is lacking on their two other major album releases from the last ten years.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 16, 2024 17:11:43 GMT -5
I think I've watched video on this subject so the idea is not all mine. I think it was Rick Beato. Coldplay and acts like such won't get critical acclaim with a new Viva La Vida and they probably realized that. It might sound pretentious, boring etc. Another Viva La Vida will probably not fill stadiums across the globe. Between taking risks for critical acclaim and achiving commercial success with less effort, it seems clearly they went for the second one. Edit: let me add that I don't think at all that commercial success is bad and failure is good. Artists winning their money is what allows them to be professionals and therefore work professionaly with music. But it's also known that the balance between commercial success, quality and critical acclaim is harsh When was the last time an album was released that got widespread commercial appeal with critical acclaim yet was just the pure product of just the band/artist themselves and a producer? It's not so much a rhetorical question, I genuinely would like to find which artists/bands have done so. Because as far as I can see, all these critically acclaimed 'artists' that have released commercially and critically successful albums recently all have an army of producers and songwriters. AM by the Arctic Monkeys would be the obvious one but I'm sure there are others if you dig into it. Tame Impala would be another shout. These parameters are pretty arbitrary though.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2024 17:17:57 GMT -5
When was the last time an album was released that got widespread commercial appeal with critical acclaim yet was just the pure product of just the band/artist themselves and a producer? It's not so much a rhetorical question, I genuinely would like to find which artists/bands have done so. Because as far as I can see, all these critically acclaimed 'artists' that have released commercially and critically successful albums recently all have an army of producers and songwriters. AM by the Arctic Monkeys would be the obvious one but I'm sure there are others if you dig into it. Tame Impala would be another shout. These parameters are pretty arbitrary though. Being a Tame Impala fan is super frustrating. Kevin is just pulled in so many directions as a producer and noodles endlessly in the studio. It’s gonna be another 5 years gap before the next LP arrives. 2 albums in 10 years and counting. I’d like to see a sonic jump again. Slow Rush was more of a lateral movement compared to Currents. The first 3 albums each made significant strides. I’d like to see more of those artistic developments.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 16, 2024 17:32:17 GMT -5
AM by the Arctic Monkeys would be the obvious one but I'm sure there are others if you dig into it. Tame Impala would be another shout. These parameters are pretty arbitrary though. Being a Tame Impala fan is super frustrating. Kevin is just pulled in so many directions as a producer and noodles endlessly in the studio. It’s gonna be another 5 years gap before the next LP arrives. 2 albums in 10 years and counting. I’d like to see a sonic jump again. Slow Rush was more of a lateral movement compared to Currents. The first 3 albums each made significant strides. I’d like to see more of those artistic developments. 'The Slow Rush' is actually my favourite Tame Impala album. I thought it was underrated at the time. Personally I think 'artistic development' is a very over hyped concept. People spend so much time and effort talking about it. As long as the songs are good very little else matters as far as I'm concerned. I think sticking to your guns (like AC/DC for example) is a pretty bold artist choice and quite brave as it's critically unpopular. It also puts emphasis on the songs themselves as when you compare the new songs with the old you're comparing like for like, not apples and oranges.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2024 18:03:57 GMT -5
Being a Tame Impala fan is super frustrating. Kevin is just pulled in so many directions as a producer and noodles endlessly in the studio. It’s gonna be another 5 years gap before the next LP arrives. 2 albums in 10 years and counting. I’d like to see a sonic jump again. Slow Rush was more of a lateral movement compared to Currents. The first 3 albums each made significant strides. I’d like to see more of those artistic developments. 'The Slow Rush' is actually my favourite Tame Impala album. I thought it was underrated at the time. Personally I think 'artistic development' is a very over hyped concept. People spend so much time and effort talking about it. As long as the songs are good very little else matters as far as I'm concerned. I think sticking to your guns (like AC/DC for example) is a pretty bold artist choice and quite brave as it's critically unpopular. It also puts emphasis on the songs themselves as when you compare the new songs with the old you're comparing like for like, not apples and oranges. What I said doesn’t mean Slow Rush wasn’t a good album. It was. My point is that each time tame dropped a record from 2010 to 2015, I heard something new. Something different. Slow Rush was the first time it felt more of the same. Shares loads of DNA with Currents which isn’t a bad thing but I wasn’t wowed for the first time. It happens. No artist is perfect.
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 17, 2024 1:52:45 GMT -5
Regardless of its flaws, the new album continues to grow on me. I just find it impossible to dislike. Like a puppy that isn't toilet trained, its overall endearing nature helps you to overcome its flaws. It's a 7/10 album and its overall mood is infectious to me. I can't explain it more than that, but for me there's a sincerity to the music that is lacking on their two other major album releases from the last ten years. Yes.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 17, 2024 5:40:25 GMT -5
First band to have 90+ million monthly listeners in Spotify history. Only band in the current top twenty.
This is also their first time at the top of the Billboard "Top 100 Artists" chart.
Ridiculous.
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