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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 26, 2022 11:42:54 GMT -5
A Rush Of Blood To The Head is 20 years old today. So a good excuse to post this. 2.57 onwards is one of the greatest bits of music ever created, and quite comfortably my absolute favourite outro ever. In just two minutes, Coldplay automatically go head and shoulders above so many bands for this alone. It's transcendent and never fails to give me goosebumps. Nice to see they have it in their shows for the current tour. It must pack a real punch in that setlist amongst all the sugar rush pop (which having listened over the last few days sounds great live). Terrifyingly, much of that audience wouldn't have even been born when this song and album was released so it must be a real journey of discovery delving into their back catalogue. I miss this era of the band, 2000-2004. Fun times. Simple times. No baggage.
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Post by matt on Aug 26, 2022 13:02:16 GMT -5
A Rush Of Blood To The Head is 20 years old today. So a good excuse to post this. 2.57 onwards is one of the greatest bits of music ever created, and quite comfortably my absolute favourite outro ever. In just two minutes, Coldplay automatically go head and shoulders above so many bands for this alone. It's transcendent and never fails to give me goosebumps. Nice to see they have it in their shows for the current tour. It must pack a real punch in that setlist amongst all the sugar rush pop (which having listened over the last few days sounds great live). Terrifyingly, much of that audience wouldn't have even been born when this song and album was released so it must be a real journey of discovery delving into their back catalogue. I miss this era of the band, 2000-2004. Fun times. Simple times. No baggage. I'm comfortable with what they are doing these days even if I don't necessarily listen to that style, but I get why they do it. They're still massive and playing sellout stadiums and its to their credit that it's not just reliant on albums from 15-20 years ago. I don't pine for the early Coldplay because I think they still make affecting records, Everyday Life including some of my favourite Coldplay songs ever. There's still a freshness to them which wouldn't be the case if they just followed the formula of the first three records. Guarantee if they did, they'd just end up repeating themselves and end up touring smaller arenas like their peers, probably doing a nostalgic 20th anniversary tour or something.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 26, 2022 14:13:14 GMT -5
I miss this era of the band, 2000-2004. Fun times. Simple times. No baggage. I'm comfortable with what they are doing these days even if I don't necessarily listen to that style, but I get why they do it. They're still massive and playing sellout stadiums and its to their credit that it's not just reliant on albums from 15-20 years ago. I don't pine for the early Coldplay because I think they still make affecting records, Everyday Life including some of my favourite Coldplay songs ever. There's still a freshness to them which wouldn't be the case if they just followed the formula of the first three records. Guarantee if they did, they'd just end up repeating themselves and end up touring smaller arenas like their peers, probably doing a nostalgic 20th anniversary tour or something. Always helpful to keep in mind the sea of indie that Coldplay emerged from. Where are Starsailor now? Who still listens to Athlete? Martin is exceptionally rare as a song-writer in that he has consistently written global hits for two decades in a variety of genres/eras/generations and never lost that melodic germ to keep it working. "Viva la Vida" used to be considered "Newplay", and now we're much further from that album than that album was from "Parachutes". The music has declined from their first decade (still making lots of good stuff, of course), but the longevity itself is always impressive. Still, less nonsense like "People of the Pride", please. Horrible song.
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Post by glider on Aug 26, 2022 14:36:10 GMT -5
Finally listened to 'Spheres'. Considering it's the 20th anniversary of in my opinion their best album (Viva might be neck and neck), I thought I'd do a quick review.
If 'A Head Full of Dreams' is the band at their weakest, bar the excellent Birds, solid Adventure of a Lifetime and bang average Up&Up, 'Spheres' is them at their argueably safest and somewhat insipid. Can't help but feel songs like Humankind were written specifically for a big stadium crowd and nothing else from a purely studio-creative endeavor. Higher Power also sounds engineered directly for radio play and nothing else. The Let Somebody Go track with Selena Gomez being another Martin collaboration that is once again riddled with cheap and cliched themes, sounding like an uninspired and repetitive tactic at securing a chart spot. My Universe is essentially just a BTS track featuring Chris, not at all any sort of band effort (not a knock on the track nor its audience, but it isn't Coldplay whatsoever). Biutyful also sounds very cheap as well.
That leaves tracks such as Human Heart, which is once again not really a Coldplay track yet Chris Martin with collaborators, albeit remains a tasteful and well done choral ballad. People of the Pride absolutely sounds like the band covering a Songs of Innocence/Experience outtake. Of course, the best song of the entire album is the highly favoured Coloratura: a piece of music that shows what happens when the band ignores the charts and gives it their all as a single, unified coalition, whether it is a big hit or not.
'Spheres' is definitely a step up from AHFOD in many ways - the alien, exterrestial themes on their own foster much better musical opportunity than the sickly sweet and airheaded vibes of their worst album, and the weaker tracks (minus Let Somebody Go), benefit from the cosmic thematic foundation of the album and avoid the territory of self-parody. Nevertheless, albums like this show the band may or may not care to put in more extensive effort in the studio, as after watching their latest tour footage, they're still the all-conquering live act after all these years. With Everyday Life, and songs such as Coloratura, the band proves they're still as talented and as creatively brillant as they were 20 years ago and when they made Viva and the eclectic pop of Mylo - but it's clear that they don't need to be anymore.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 26, 2022 14:48:52 GMT -5
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Post by World71R on Aug 26, 2022 20:33:18 GMT -5
I'm glad some people like Music of the Spheres but what gets me is how missing the band sounds. So many songs on AHFOD were overblown in their pop production but you could tell a band was behind it. A lot of MOTS, even People of the Pride, just sounds so generic and engineered by a producer and their team.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 27, 2022 0:40:18 GMT -5
I'm glad some people like Music of the Spheres but what gets me is how missing the band sounds. So many songs on AHFOD were overblown in their pop production but you could tell a band was behind it. A lot of MOTS, even People of the Pride, just sounds so generic and engineered by a producer and their team. Coming off Everyday Life, which was a nice rebound off a terrible AHFOD, Spheres was a true let down. Wasn’t expecting a return to Viva/Mylo but I didn’t think they could sink deeper than ANFOD. I get they are still a massive touring stadium act but the time of great albums from them is most likely over and done with. I’d like to see them make a band album again. Stop with all the collaborations and big time producers. I wanna hear the band again. Top to bottom. Left to right.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 27, 2022 3:11:57 GMT -5
I quite like A Head Full of Dreams, to be honest. Vibrant, confident pop album. Fun and Amazing Day are dreadful but I enjoy the other tracks. Throw Hypnotised on instead, and it works. Music of the Spheres is the first Coldplay album I honestly just don't enjoy. I like a chunk of the songs individually (Higher Power, Humankind, Biutyful, Coloratura) but it just doesn't all hang together at all. Feels like an undercooked grab-bag of ideas that could be trimmed to a half-decent EP but has no business following Everyday Life, let alone the likes of their Viva-era brilliance. Like World71R said, the band seem content to be Martin's session musicians at the moment, and while Chris is obviously the main talent who still provides some great melodies and clearly has passion to explore new genres, that still takes away half the brilliance of the band. I didn't mind it on Everyday Life because the band was present (Church, Orphans, Arabesque, Trouble in Town, etc...) and the stripped-back compositions fit the earthier tone that record was aiming for, but on what was billed as an alien-pop album, Music of the Spheres does not let the others off the reins enough to achieve what it wants. Bin off rubbish like People of the Pride, Let Somebody Go, the interludes, Infinity Sign, and even Human Heart - which should have been an Everyday Life song anyway - and let Johnny create some mad alien guitar sounds for some more vibrant, fleshed-out songs. He's done it for you before!
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Post by glider on Aug 27, 2022 10:51:17 GMT -5
I'm glad some people like Music of the Spheres but what gets me is how missing the band sounds. So many songs on AHFOD were overblown in their pop production but you could tell a band was behind it. A lot of MOTS, even People of the Pride, just sounds so generic and engineered by a producer and their team. You're correct with AHFOD, minus Will because a lot of Stargate's production had fake drums. That album's major problem wasn't even necessarily the overdone production but the poor, wishy wash retail store pop that is all on Chris. MOTS like I said does benefit automatically from a more sonically viable aesthetic, but nevertheless still feels measurably hollow and uninspired. Coloratura is the only track that feels like a genuine band effort.
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Post by durk on Aug 27, 2022 11:22:52 GMT -5
i havent listened to that album again since it came out last fall
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Post by World71R on Aug 27, 2022 14:07:56 GMT -5
I'm glad some people like Music of the Spheres but what gets me is how missing the band sounds. So many songs on AHFOD were overblown in their pop production but you could tell a band was behind it. A lot of MOTS, even People of the Pride, just sounds so generic and engineered by a producer and their team. You're correct with AHFOD, minus Will because a lot of Stargate's production had fake drums. That album's major problem wasn't even necessarily the overdone production but the poor, wishy wash retail store pop that is all on Chris. MOTS like I said does benefit automatically from a more sonically viable aesthetic, but nevertheless still feels measurably hollow and uninspired. Coloratura is the only track that feels like a genuine band effort. The biggest sin of AHFOD and the Stargate production was the production on Up&Up. The live version sounds so beautiful and organic and hits the emotional core it's really going for, but the studio version is so jam-packed with those drums and synths and done with mixing and mastering the places less of an emphasis on the parts that matter (piano, guitars especially, choir, Will's drumming). Up&Up is a fantastic performance by Jonny (and our Noel) but you can hardly hear that clearly in the studio version. It's a wash.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 27, 2022 14:24:26 GMT -5
I'm glad some people like Music of the Spheres but what gets me is how missing the band sounds. So many songs on AHFOD were overblown in their pop production but you could tell a band was behind it. A lot of MOTS, even People of the Pride, just sounds so generic and engineered by a producer and their team. You're correct with AHFOD, minus Will because a lot of Stargate's production had fake drums. That album's major problem wasn't even necessarily the overdone production but the poor, wishy wash retail store pop that is all on Chris. MOTS like I said does benefit automatically from a more sonically viable aesthetic, but nevertheless still feels measurably hollow and uninspired. Coloratura is the only track that feels like a genuine band effort. As soon as they announced the album and said Max Martin was the producer I did a major eye roll. That guy is a mega super duper pop songwriter/producer. He’s way over the top doing what he does. It works. He’s one of the best at it but it just seemed like a desperation play after Everyday Life met low low sales/streams (expected but it was prob way off what they imagined). Chris is starting to feel like that 60 year old uncle who shows up at the family bbq in the Yeezys sneakers. And I’m not saying uncle John isn’t a good time but man it feels like an over reach.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 27, 2022 14:25:41 GMT -5
i havent listened to that album again since it came out last fall Envy you. I deleted it all off my computer but Colortura.
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Post by glider on Aug 27, 2022 15:51:53 GMT -5
You're correct with AHFOD, minus Will because a lot of Stargate's production had fake drums. That album's major problem wasn't even necessarily the overdone production but the poor, wishy wash retail store pop that is all on Chris. MOTS like I said does benefit automatically from a more sonically viable aesthetic, but nevertheless still feels measurably hollow and uninspired. Coloratura is the only track that feels like a genuine band effort. As soon as they announced the album and said Max Martin was the producer I did a major eye roll. That guy is a mega super duper pop songwriter/producer. He’s way over the top doing what he does. It works. He’s one of the best at it but it just seemed like a desperation play after Everyday Life met low low sales/streams (expected but it was prob way off what they imagined). Chris is starting to feel like that 60 year old uncle who shows up at the family bbq in the Yeezys sneakers. And I’m not saying uncle John isn’t a good time but man it feels like an over reach. I wonder what exactly they were expecting with Everyday Life commercially. They had stated it wasn't going to be toured, nor was aimed at the charts due to there being next to no popular artist collaborations. It was better for them to drop it when they did since the following year no one would be even touring. Also, who was the album for and what compelled them to release it? I can't help but feel the lashing they got in the press from AHFOD had something to do with it and they wanted to come back into good graces with them. It kind of rebukes Chris constantly saying he doesn't care what people think about the music they currently make.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 27, 2022 15:59:02 GMT -5
As soon as they announced the album and said Max Martin was the producer I did a major eye roll. That guy is a mega super duper pop songwriter/producer. He’s way over the top doing what he does. It works. He’s one of the best at it but it just seemed like a desperation play after Everyday Life met low low sales/streams (expected but it was prob way off what they imagined). Chris is starting to feel like that 60 year old uncle who shows up at the family bbq in the Yeezys sneakers. And I’m not saying uncle John isn’t a good time but man it feels like an over reach. I wonder what exactly they were expecting with Everyday Life commercially. They had stated it wasn't going to be toured, nor was aimed at the charts due to there being next to no popular artist collaborations. It was better for them to drop it when they did since the following year no one would be even touring. Also, who was the album for and what compelled them to release it? I can't help but feel the lashing they got in the press from AHFOD had something to do with it and they wanted to come back into good graces with them. It kind of rebukes Chris constantly saying he doesn't care what people think about the music they currently make. Chris can say whatever he wants. He 110% cares what people thinks. We saw it on the 2002 tour dvd documentary. We saw it in their own band documentary 15 years later. And that isn’t a bad thing necessarily.
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 28, 2022 1:12:43 GMT -5
There is a great interview on ITunes with Guy and Will looking back at AROBTTH after 20 years.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 28, 2022 2:04:33 GMT -5
If Coldplay's reputation as being boring/middle-class/MOR lasts forever, I will be very grateful.
All I ask for is one band/artist I like not to be a twat.
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Post by matt on Aug 28, 2022 16:37:38 GMT -5
If Coldplay's reputation as being boring/middle-class/MOR lasts forever, I will be very grateful. All I ask for is one band/artist I like not to be a twat. I thought this too about some of my favourite singers/bands after the Win Butler allegations. It's getting so bad now. We're really through the looking glass here when thinking "pray god Chris Martin isn't a sexual deviant".
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 28, 2022 17:31:40 GMT -5
If Coldplay's reputation as being boring/middle-class/MOR lasts forever, I will be very grateful. All I ask for is one band/artist I like not to be a twat. I thought this too about some of my favourite singers/bands after the Win Butler allegations. It's getting so bad now. We're really through the looking glass here when thinking "pray god Chris Martin isn't a sexual deviant". Give me "yoga-practicing vegetarian middle-class white man" over "sexual predator" every day of the week. Coldplay aren't cool, but they didn't smash their wives heads against doors like Lennon. Didn't have underage/teenage groupies they fucked like Bowie. Didn't meet their wives when the woman was fourteen like Elvis, and they didn't do any Ryan Adams or Win Butler shit. They wrote good songs and made fans happy for two decades. Pending any allegations, and at this point I'm cynical enough to trust no-one, then I'll take it. Middle of the road, middle-class, filled with great tunes, on your girlfriend's playlist, and not sexual predators. More sell-out hits coming soon.
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Post by glider on Aug 28, 2022 18:28:43 GMT -5
Spotify's app currently has a storyline feature that tells the story of the song. AROBTTH has it right now and it looks like Chris wrote for each song. A lot of interesting tidbits I didn't know: - A Whisper was done in one take and they've ever been able to recapture the timing again - Daylight was built around Guy's bassline - The Scientist's piano intro was Chris attempting a circular chord progression like on Isn't It A Pity - Green Eyes is about Jonny and a girl from the U.S. - Amsterdam was the last song Chris demoed on a 4-track tape
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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2022 12:31:34 GMT -5
I thought this too about some of my favourite singers/bands after the Win Butler allegations. It's getting so bad now. We're really through the looking glass here when thinking "pray god Chris Martin isn't a sexual deviant". Give me "yoga-practicing vegetarian middle-class white man" over "sexual predator" every day of the week. Coldplay aren't cool, but they didn't smash their wives heads against doors like Lennon. Didn't have underage/teenage groupies they fucked like Bowie. Didn't meet their wives when the woman was fourteen like Elvis, and they didn't do any Ryan Adams or Win Butler shit. They wrote good songs and made fans happy for two decades. Pending any allegations, and at this point I'm cynical enough to trust no-one, then I'll take it. Middle of the road, middle-class, filled with great tunes, on your girlfriend's playlist, and not sexual predators. More sell-out hits coming soon. They aren't 'cool' if you're talking to musty 6 Music dads, but one thing the younger generation are way ahead of in this sense is that I think these virtues matter more. Try as they might, the 'hip' brigade - largely white middle class pretentious wankers - don't dictate what is considered cool and thank god for that. Being cool is being great at what you do, and Coldplay do that. I'm certain that one day their sheer staying power and quality will endure in a way that the superiority complex of the hip brigade die out. As it did with the likes of ABBA and Paul McCartney.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 30, 2022 13:23:49 GMT -5
Give me "yoga-practicing vegetarian middle-class white man" over "sexual predator" every day of the week. Coldplay aren't cool, but they didn't smash their wives heads against doors like Lennon. Didn't have underage/teenage groupies they fucked like Bowie. Didn't meet their wives when the woman was fourteen like Elvis, and they didn't do any Ryan Adams or Win Butler shit. They wrote good songs and made fans happy for two decades. Pending any allegations, and at this point I'm cynical enough to trust no-one, then I'll take it. Middle of the road, middle-class, filled with great tunes, on your girlfriend's playlist, and not sexual predators. More sell-out hits coming soon. They aren't 'cool' if you're talking to musty 6 Music dads, but one thing the younger generation are way ahead of in this sense is that I think these virtues matter more. Try as they might, the 'hip' brigade - largely white middle class pretentious wankers - don't dictate what is considered cool and thank god for that. Being cool is being great at what you do, and Coldplay do that. I'm certain that one day their sheer staying power and quality will endure in a way that the superiority complex of the hip brigade die out. As it did with the likes of ABBA and Paul McCartney. A lot of similarities between Dave Matthews Band and Coldplay. Both sold boat loads upon boat loads of records. Both can and do sell outs venues far and wide. Both have a huge catalog of well known songs. Neither in my life has ever been “cool” to say you like out loud. Just an observation.
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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2022 14:00:51 GMT -5
They aren't 'cool' if you're talking to musty 6 Music dads, but one thing the younger generation are way ahead of in this sense is that I think these virtues matter more. Try as they might, the 'hip' brigade - largely white middle class pretentious wankers - don't dictate what is considered cool and thank god for that. Being cool is being great at what you do, and Coldplay do that. I'm certain that one day their sheer staying power and quality will endure in a way that the superiority complex of the hip brigade die out. As it did with the likes of ABBA and Paul McCartney. A lot of similarities between Dave Matthews Band and Coldplay. Both sold boat loads upon boat loads of records. Both can and do sell outs venues far and wide. Both have a huge catalog of well known songs. Neither in my life has ever been “cool” to say you like out loud. Just an observation. Really?! I'll be honest here, I can't name a single song of the Dave Matthews Band. Certainly not that big over here in the UK.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 30, 2022 18:31:16 GMT -5
A lot of similarities between Dave Matthews Band and Coldplay. Both sold boat loads upon boat loads of records. Both can and do sell outs venues far and wide. Both have a huge catalog of well known songs. Neither in my life has ever been “cool” to say you like out loud. Just an observation. Really?! I'll be honest here, I can't name a single song of the Dave Matthews Band. Certainly not that big over here in the UK. It’s an American perspective. DMB had legions upon legions of fans. Sold 4-5 million copies each record. Sold out arenas and football stadiums on the regular yet I never heard anyone ever call them cool. That’s the angle.
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Post by matt on Aug 31, 2022 15:11:43 GMT -5
I was listening to X&Y the other day. It's a damn good album.
Probably doesn't quite pack the same punch as A Rush of Blood and the songs are as tightly constructed but the languid outer space vibe along with the electronic influences of some of these songs makes it more of a vibe than the first two.
That said, if I'm keeping it more of a vibe, I'd change the tracklist but only towards the ed. Only criticism is how Swallowed In The Sea made the album. It sounds like poor latter day Embrace so much that it sounds like Chris Martin taking the piss out of them - if Gravity was written for Embrace as a compliment to the band, then Swallowed In The Sea was written as an insult.
1. Square One 2. What If 3. White Shadows 4. Fix You 5. Talk 6. X&Y
7. Speed of Sound 8. A Message 9. Low 10. The Hardest Part 11. Things That I Don't Understand 12. How You See The World I 13. Gravity
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