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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 19, 2021 9:22:54 GMT -5
Not digging the album, but getting Coloratura was worth all of it. I don't like the featured artists. And the non-featured tracks are just weak. But Coloratura is an instant classic.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Oct 19, 2021 13:07:42 GMT -5
To be honest, even though many people may find the album to be halfcooked and not that great, the singles are still propping it up a lot, especially My Universe, to where this era will be called a success. To be fair even the big misses (X&Y, Dreams) all sold boat loads of records and had massive hit singles on them. I was shocked "Orphans" didn't become a bigger single because that song is on fire from start to finish. Everyday Life is currently their worst selling but is probably better than 99% of bands going today. Its all about perspective. I read an interview recently with James Skelly of The Coral. He said their newest album (Coral Island) is their best selling album since Magic & Medicine but if someone like Chris Martin saw those sales figures for a Coldplay album he would go jump off a bridge. Made me chuckle hard. Hmm. What you call “big misses”, many of us call “the only good stuff”. I tapped out after X&Y. Factory-assembled, soulless pop/synth ever since, IMO. Background music for shopping at Abercrombie.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 19, 2021 13:11:16 GMT -5
To be fair even the big misses (X&Y, Dreams) all sold boat loads of records and had massive hit singles on them. I was shocked "Orphans" didn't become a bigger single because that song is on fire from start to finish. Everyday Life is currently their worst selling but is probably better than 99% of bands going today. Its all about perspective. I read an interview recently with James Skelly of The Coral. He said their newest album (Coral Island) is their best selling album since Magic & Medicine but if someone like Chris Martin saw those sales figures for a Coldplay album he would go jump off a bridge. Made me chuckle hard. Hmm. What you call “big misses”, many of us call “the only good stuff”. I tapped out after X&Y. Factory-assembled, soulless pop/synth ever since, IMO. Background music for shopping at Abercrombie. X&Y should have been a lot better. They had plenty of material and loads more that still hasn’t come out yet!!!
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 19, 2021 13:58:24 GMT -5
To be fair even the big misses (X&Y, Dreams) all sold boat loads of records and had massive hit singles on them. I was shocked "Orphans" didn't become a bigger single because that song is on fire from start to finish. Everyday Life is currently their worst selling but is probably better than 99% of bands going today. Its all about perspective. I read an interview recently with James Skelly of The Coral. He said their newest album (Coral Island) is their best selling album since Magic & Medicine but if someone like Chris Martin saw those sales figures for a Coldplay album he would go jump off a bridge. Made me chuckle hard. Hmm. What you call “big misses”, many of us call “the only good stuff”. I tapped out after X&Y. Factory-assembled, soulless pop/synth ever since, IMO. Background music for shopping at Abercrombie. There was an album called Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends which was pretty good.
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Post by eleysium on Oct 19, 2021 14:17:37 GMT -5
I gave up on them after album 4 or 5.
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Post by matt on Oct 19, 2021 17:36:39 GMT -5
BRILLIANT/VERY GOOD 1. Viva La Vida or Death & All His Friends (packs a punch, doesn’t drag, throws curveballs and is the most varied thing they’ve ever done).
2. A Rush of Blood to the Head (not nearly as varied in styles as VLV so as a whole album can feel a bit similar in tone but the classics are all here, bookended by two of their greatest songs ever.
3. Mylo Xyloto (see below)
4. Everyday Life (could have been VLV II with a bit more focus and development, but it’s sketchy nature was intended as the stop gap release it is so no major complaints. Does contain some of their best songs ever too).
GOOD 5. Parachutes (not as good as everyone makes out - I.e. the haters who say this was all they did. It’s mope rock with not much variety lets be honest.
6. X&Y (may have been further down the list but for a handful of genuinely great songs (I still absolutely love Talk).
OKAY 7. Ghost Stories (find a lot of this drab but there are some real diamonds of beauty here too).
MEDIOCRE 8. Music of the Spheres
POOR 9. A Head Full Of Dreams (permission to shoot me if I ever start to show appreciation for the abysmal Amazing Day and Everglow). Coldplay’s Heathen Chemistry, my god I didn’t think it was possible but it may even be worse as the singles from HC are better than anything here.
Interesting ranking for me personally, as Mylo Xyloto is an album that very slowly I’ve come round to appreciate. Never liked it on release as I was expecting VLV part 2 or something in that artsy vibe, but over time, it is their most brilliant piece of pure pop they’ve ever released, and some great guitar work that makes it feel like a real band effort. Nothing moves me emotionally like the melancholy of previous albums but it has such great positive energy and melody, only complaint is I’d take off the three slower numbers (even if many love those songs) and just make it relentless pop from start to finish. This is where Coldplay really fled the ‘miserly’ tag of previous years. Who knows, maybe one day we’ll hear Car Kids or other songs floating around those sessions and it may very well complete the album for me.
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Post by glider on Oct 19, 2021 18:17:07 GMT -5
Great 1. Viva La Vida Or Death and All His Friends 2. A Rush of Blood To the Head 3. Parachutes
Good 4. Everyday Life 5. Mylo Xyloto
Okay 6. X&Y
Meh 7. Ghost Stories
Shit 8. A Head Full of Dreams
I haven't heard Spheres yet but from what I'm hearing sounds like it's going into Meh.
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 19, 2021 19:25:21 GMT -5
The more they write those poppy songs the more superficial they sound, which imo is the biggest problem with Coldplay, they are so desperate to stay relevant with young audiences, funny that those more poppy stuffs with BTA, Rihanna and all suits them well, that Maroon 5 formula doesn't sound out of place with the band, songs which you can admire but don't love, good for them cos they've won a huge amount of casual fans, maybe the same amount of hardcore fans that they lost over the past ten years I guess.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 19, 2021 20:50:10 GMT -5
The more they write those poppy songs the more superficial they sound, which imo is the biggest problem with Coldplay, they are so desperate to stay relevant with young audiences, funny that those more poppy stuffs with BTA, Rihanna and all suits them well, that Maroon 5 formula doesn't sound out of place with the band, songs which you can admire but don't love, good for them cos they've won a huge amount of casual fans, maybe the same amount of hardcore fans that they lost over the past ten years I guess. They’ve definitely been working that collaboration angle pretty hard since 2014. 2014 - A Sky Full of Stars (Avicii) 2015 - Hymn For The Weekend (Beyoncé) 2017 - Something Just Like This (Chainsmokers) 2021 - My Universe (BTS) All 4 were massive hits for the band. Their last 4 massive singles too. Other singles sprinkled around those tent poles but none of them true blue hits. Each of these sold a million plus copies minimum and charted at 9, 5, 2, 1. They also hung around in the charts and across music platforms forever. I still head that Chainsmokers song daily. Even just today! It’s a winning formula for the band. Want a chart topper? Collaborate with a relevant artist.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 20, 2021 0:53:59 GMT -5
Fucking perfect. Can't wait to bin People of the Pride when we hopefully get better songs in future Volumes.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 20, 2021 7:18:59 GMT -5
Great:
A Rush Of Blood To The Head Parachutes Viva
Good:
X&Y Everyday Life
Meh:
Mylo Xyloto Music of The Spheres Ghost Stories
Bad:
A Head Full of Dreams
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 20, 2021 19:32:35 GMT -5
Some info from Secret Phil's latest interview:
- The Race / Aurora might be the same song, but in either case there is extra material to come from the Spheres universe. Probably sooner rather than later, which is fun.
- There is a conceptual link between the Spheres universe and the dystopia of Mylo Xyloto that the Silencers/aesthetic links already suggested. All will be revealed, apparently.
- FFTF2024 (speculated as meaning Final Fareway to Fans, their last album) is a real thing. Can't talk about it yet or what the true meaning is. Perhaps the end is nigh!
Also, happy tenth birthday to Mylo Xyloto this week! One of their very best, and what a tour:
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Post by World71R on Oct 20, 2021 20:15:13 GMT -5
Some info from Secret Phil's latest interview: - The Race / Aurora might be the same song, but in either case there is extra material to come from the Spheres universe. Probably sooner rather than later, which is fun. - There is a conceptual link between the Spheres universe and the dystopia of Mylo Xyloto that the Silencers/aesthetic links already suggested. All will be revealed, apparently. - FFTF2024 (speculated as meaning Final Fareway to Fans, their last album) is a real thing. Can't talk about it yet or what the true meaning is. Perhaps the end is nigh! Also, happy tenth birthday to Mylo Xyloto this week! One of their very best, and what a tour: Great post. I know there have been some heavy rumblings about the Silver Bird version of Us Against the World so that could appear in the upcoming volumes. I think we may see some more works to fill out the album beyond what we got. VLV and AHFOD were like this where the album was more of an instant gratification and the bonus tracks were more slow-burners that fans can really sink their teeth into. I expect MOTS will be the same. At least I hope so because the current set of songs has some giant holes in them.
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Post by World71R on Oct 20, 2021 20:41:07 GMT -5
Who is this album meant for? This has some popstacular singles and features but its all ear candy, interludes that dont bridge songs together they are all just there and go poof to be forgotten. Coloratura is actually worse after such half baked album. Everyday Life had its spots of less spectacular tracks but in Music of the emojis its half or more than that. Bad move to put Coloratura as a dropplet/promo single, It made me hopefull for something that never came. X&Y does space themed stuff better than MOTS Let's be honest, this is a very blokey thread with blokey music tastes and we're trying to weigh up the merits of a Selena Gomez collaboration? It's clear this ain't for us, and the reality, I'm not the one to judge but millions of younger folk will lap it up so good for them. I don't like this Coldplay album, and I like it less than U2's last album, or Doves last album, or REM's last album. And yet I admire them more for it - they just don't seem to fail with it. Chris Martin has a clear intention and succeeds all the time. Of course, time waits for no man and it won't be long before Coldplay lose their target audience, which will be interesting to see what they do from there on. I much prefer if Coldplay continued in the vein of being prolific rather than waiting for an album every few years - it seems they go in various directions creatively, which while it hasn't produced a wholly complete and substantial album, it does throw curveballs like Aliens one year, Arabesque the next and My Universe the next year. If I could compile a playlist of Coldplay songs from 2000 to present day, the variety on display would be immense. I don't think people give them enough credit for just how varied an act they are. Coldplay's a punchline for people of our generations (pretentious farts) and the critics, so why not appeal to younger folk who will set the agenda for the future and get their acceptance? Younger folk don't turn their nose up at the band like self-proclaimed "serious and more mature" older music listeners but they will have the final say in a few years. And that popular legacy will secure them in a way that U2, Radiohead, REM don't have. What goes around comes around, and the unfair bile they received in the early phase of their career is ultimately leading them down the path of greater longevity and credibility with younger folk, not the 'crusty dad rock' accusations of the other acts I mentioned above. I already see this in full force with some of my friends. You name U2, Radiohead or R.E.M. to them and U2 and R.E.M. are surefire to get the dad rock accusations, and Radiohead gets some surprising indifference (or people singing 'Creep'), or glowing remarks if they're a music fan/indiehead, but Coldplay gets love from a lot of my friends, especially those who are into pop. They're viewed in those circles like how we view R.E.M. or Radiohead in terms of musical genius, originality and creativity, which I don't think is far off in some respects. It's respect in a different way than what we appreciate and the fact that Coldplay can be talked about in high regard, in terms of a poptimistic POV and a rock or indie-centric POV, really says something about the transcendent nature of the band. Not to mention, we've seen a lot of bands add in mainstream influences and collaborators and completely botch it or have it sound really awkward (looking at you, U2) but Coldplay, for the most part, has done a pretty good job. A Sky Full of Stars is a song I unironically love, Hymn for the Weekend is a great take on the R&B genre (a shame about the lazy lyricism and compressed-to-hell chorus though), Something Just Like This has one of Jonny's best solos, Princess of China is a decent song at its core (a shame about the loud vocals) and My Universe hasn't left my head all day long after listening to it this morning for how much of a bop and an earworm it is melodically and even musically (Guy's got a good bassline, Jonny has some funky guitars, Will does disco pretty solidly). I love what The Escapist said about how this album, altogether, doesn't feel right with all of these songs cobbled together; yet when you listen to them individually you can really appreciate their worth...except People of the Pride. Fucking perfect. Can't wait to bin People of the Pride when we hopefully get better songs in future Volumes. When I first heard the intro of the song and the cliche dramatic sound effect, I couldn't help but laugh at it. Chris does good at owning what would be really cheesy for other artists but even that was too much.
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Post by World71R on Oct 20, 2021 21:04:50 GMT -5
I tried coming up with a combined magnum opus made up of songs from MX, AHFOD and MOTS, but it was basically just MX with Birds, Adventure of a Lifetime, and Coloratura (with Hymn for the Weekend or Amazing Day).
Also, I've realized recently that Amazing Day is a better song than I thought. I wish the "Oh oh oh oh" vocal part was a guitar solo because that would've elevated the song better but it's a nice 7 or 8/10 tune. Nothing great but a very pleasant tune that's a nice listen.
Fun still sounds bland. Army of One could've been on X&Y without Stargate and/or with Ken Nelson. X Marks the Spot is still a pile of shit. I despise the poor mixing on Up&Up. Everything is pretty good, minus the gripes I had above with Hymn for the Weekend.
Obligatory album ranking: Viva/Rush/MX/Parachutes/EL/X&Y, GS/AHFOD/MOTS
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Post by Gas Panic on Oct 21, 2021 5:20:10 GMT -5
Hyped! Wembley Stadium standing tickets sorted for the Saturday thanks to the album pre-sale.
The only time I've seen Coldplay live was Glastonbury 2016, and I've not been back to Wembley Stadium for a gig since Oasis 2009!
The summer of 2022 is shaping up nicely with LG at Knebworth already booked.
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Post by matt on Oct 21, 2021 7:46:03 GMT -5
I tried coming up with a combined magnum opus made up of songs from MX, AHFOD and MOTS, but it was basically just MX with Birds, Adventure of a Lifetime, and Coloratura (with Hymn for the Weekend or Amazing Day). Also, I've realized recently that Amazing Day is a better song than I thought. I wish the "Oh oh oh oh" vocal part was a guitar solo because that would've elevated the song better but it's a nice 7 or 8/10 tune. Nothing great but a very pleasant tune that's a nice listen. Fun still sounds bland. Army of One could've been on X&Y without Stargate and/or with Ken Nelson. X Marks the Spot is still a pile of shit. I despise the poor mixing on Up&Up. Everything is pretty good, minus the gripes I had above with Hymn for the Weekend. Obligatory album ranking: Viva/Rush/MX/Parachutes/EL/X&Y, GS/AHFOD/MOTS I have to revise my opinion above on A Head Full of Dreams as I hadn't listened to it in years. I went back to it yesterday and I'm shocked at how much I enjoyed. I can't call an album 'abysmal' when it contains A Head Full of Dreams, Adventure of a Lifetime, Hymn For The Weekend and Up & Up on it. Birds is also a lovely little tune, so there you have five good tracks there and was surprised at how much I enjoyed them, especially Adventure of a Lifetime which has a great riff. My complaints still stand in that it still has some dreadful filler on it but I can only think that my dislike of songs like Hymn For The Weekend some years back stemmed from a narrow minded 'indie cred sense of superiority' that I wanted them to pursue. Interestingly, I could make a playlist of Coldplay during that era (14/15) which would make a very strong album combining the best songs from Ghost Stories and Head Full of Dreams. Again, proof that focusing on one album for 3-4 years would result in a very good album for Coldplay, and the same applies with Everyday Life and Music of the Spheres. Flip side of that view is that their variation would make it impossible for a combination of these songs on one album, but generally, there is strong evidence that their hit rate of excellent songs is still as good as ever and any other band, however we tend to forget that quality as releases are often diluted with less than quality tunes.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 21, 2021 10:34:50 GMT -5
Coldplay really needed an “A L E I N S” type song to help round out Spheres.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 21, 2021 11:00:18 GMT -5
I’d love to hear the band discuss more about volume 2. Why split the songs up? Is it themed based? Because volume 1 is loosely held together with not a lot of weight to it.
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Post by matt on Oct 21, 2021 12:26:07 GMT -5
What's the idea behind 'Volume II' - I haven't seen any news regarding it. Is it confirmed or just rumours?
Anyway, all this Coldplay business means I've been revisiting them and listening frequently over the last week or so. Again, the song Church really is one of their most beautiful works ever.
I've seen it described as ambient and transcendental, but the combination of East meets West music composition with such tasteful collaborators so perfectly fits and doesn't seem forced or tacked on. Musically, it is perfect. And it has typically universal lyrics of a more spiritual perspective that only emphasise the unity on offer.
It's fucking great, this is what they are great at and a shame this flies under the noses of the haters. Sad thing is, nobody knows but if you know, at least you know.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 21, 2021 21:30:03 GMT -5
I'm surprised they didn't add "The Race" to Spheres Volume 1. It certainly needed it. The leak I have is from the Ghost Stories sessions and it sounds top notch. Shocked it didn't make that album but I guess they didn't need two songs with dance beat elements.
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Post by matt on Oct 22, 2021 7:35:49 GMT -5
Church is one of their most beautiful songs ever. Very Viva-era. It seems when Coldplay tap into traditional music from anywhere in the world, it always conjures up gold. Coldplay seem to have a real reverence for traditional forms of music and I wonder why they succeed where others fail. I think it has something to do with Chris Martin's melodic abilities, there's something universal and breezy there that doesn't get bogged down by being generic pop melodies (see the likes of industry songwriter Ryan Tedder) or rock drudgery. There's always the risk of becoming self-indulgent with it ala Brian Pern but they never do that either. That recalls the album U2 were intending to make for No Line on the Horizon. They went in with full intentions of a dramatic stylistic shift, like they'd done previously for Unforgettable Fire or Achtung Baby. The intention was 'futuristic hymns' that used experimental forms of music influenced by North African music, going so far with the intention to record fully in Morocco with Brian Eno (like they did with Hansa in Berlin for Achtung Baby). They failed by some distance reverting to dad rawk. But I always thought that idea would be right up Coldplay's street - I'd love them to do that, and I think the results would be spectacular. There's almost a child like fascination Chris Martin has with various forms of music and that is reflected in the varied songs they do. In that sense, Brian Eno really is untapped potential. He'd deliver on that promise for Coldplay. But when the charts keep calling you, then priorities are obviously different. I just wonder what would have happened if Viva La Vida was met with universal acclaim rather than mere begrudging acceptance by the snobbish music critics and whether this would have encouraged them more to go in this direction.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 22, 2021 7:39:13 GMT -5
Church is one of their most beautiful songs ever. Very Viva-era. It seems when Coldplay tap into traditional music from anywhere in the world, it always conjures up gold. Coldplay seem to have a real reverence for traditional forms of music and I wonder why they succeed where others fail. I think it has something to do with Chris Martin's melodic abilities, there's something universal and breezy there that doesn't get bogged down by being generic pop melodies (see the likes of industry songwriter Ryan Tedder) or rock drudgery. There's always the risk of becoming self-indulgent with it ala Brian Pern but they never do that either. That recalls the album U2 were intending to make for No Line on the Horizon. They went in with full intentions of a dramatic stylistic shift, like they'd done previously for Unforgettable Fire or Achtung Baby. The intention was 'futuristic hymns' that used experimental forms of music influenced by North African music, going so far with the intention to record fully in Morocco with Brian Eno (like they did with Hansa in Berlin for Achtung Baby). They failed by some distance reverting to dad rawk. But I always thought that idea would be right up Coldplay's street - I'd love them to do that, and I think the results would be spectacular. There's almost a child like fascination Chris Martin has with various forms of music and that is reflected in the varied songs they do. In that sense, Brian Eno really is untapped potential. He'd deliver on that promise for Coldplay. But when the charts keep calling you, then priorities are obviously different. I just wonder what would have happened if Viva La Vida was met with universal acclaim rather than mere begrudging acceptance by the snobbish music critics and whether this would have encouraged them more to go in this direction. Coldplay are at their creative best when it’s the four members being featured heavily. All extremely talented. That is when they really cook up the goods. Keep in mind Brian Eno is like 74 years old. He might not be as fresh as he once was. That would be like George Martin producing an Oasis album which is once what the kids said on the net back in the late 90s.
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Post by matt on Oct 22, 2021 7:43:53 GMT -5
I'm surprised they didn't add "The Race" to Spheres Volume 1. It certainly needed it. The leak I have is from the Ghost Stories sessions and it sounds top notch. Shocked it didn't make that album but I guess they didn't need two songs with dance beat elements. Literally just heard this song for the first time. Really good tune. God knows how many excellent songs they have lying on the cutting room floor.
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Post by matt on Oct 22, 2021 7:45:57 GMT -5
It seems when Coldplay tap into traditional music from anywhere in the world, it always conjures up gold. Coldplay seem to have a real reverence for traditional forms of music and I wonder why they succeed where others fail. I think it has something to do with Chris Martin's melodic abilities, there's something universal and breezy there that doesn't get bogged down by being generic pop melodies (see the likes of industry songwriter Ryan Tedder) or rock drudgery. There's always the risk of becoming self-indulgent with it ala Brian Pern but they never do that either. That recalls the album U2 were intending to make for No Line on the Horizon. They went in with full intentions of a dramatic stylistic shift, like they'd done previously for Unforgettable Fire or Achtung Baby. The intention was 'futuristic hymns' that used experimental forms of music influenced by North African music, going so far with the intention to record fully in Morocco with Brian Eno (like they did with Hansa in Berlin for Achtung Baby). They failed by some distance reverting to dad rawk. But I always thought that idea would be right up Coldplay's street - I'd love them to do that, and I think the results would be spectacular. There's almost a child like fascination Chris Martin has with various forms of music and that is reflected in the varied songs they do. In that sense, Brian Eno really is untapped potential. He'd deliver on that promise for Coldplay. But when the charts keep calling you, then priorities are obviously different. I just wonder what would have happened if Viva La Vida was met with universal acclaim rather than mere begrudging acceptance by the snobbish music critics and whether this would have encouraged them more to go in this direction. Coldplay are at their creative best when it’s the four members being featured heavily. All extremely talented. That is when they really cook up the goods. Keep in mind Brian Eno is like 74 years old. He might not be as fresh as he once was. That would be like George Martin producing an Oasis album which is once what the kids said on the net back in the late 90s. Jeez, I always think he's still 60. Now I recall it, I think he said he's finished with producing albums for other acts.
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