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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 1, 2021 17:47:54 GMT -5
Rather listen to this than any of Richard's recent bs tbh. Always thought their career trajectory could have been similar if Ashcroft wasn't a prize bellend (Urban Hymns was just setting them up to be the biggest band in the world). Chris Martin at his worst is still better than 'RPA' in his solo guise. He still taps into the zeitgeist constantly unlike Ashcroft's David Brent tribute act. Still remember Ashcroft performing as a special guest with Coldplay at Live 8 in 2005. How fortunes have changed since then, Coldplay wouldn't be seen dead with that covid denying tool these days. In fairness, the comparison isn't valid as I think Chris Martin is definitely more 'solo artist' material than Ashcroft. Mad reality is that with humility, Ashcroft could still pack stadiums and be on that frontman level with Chris Martin simply by accepting his role as a great frontman rather than the self-proclaimed god he thinks he is. Watched The Verve's Glastonbury 2008 appearance recently, nostalgic as I was a teenager watching that one when it was live - such great memories. They were fantastic, up there with Coldplay's performances at the festival. These days I can only think 'what an absolute waste'. I wasn’t making a direct comparison, Coldplay haven’t sunk that far yet but they are both capable of of some seriously insipid, indifferent rubbish. The worst thing about Coldplay right now is them acting like teenagers. The sound of their music is deeply cynical in my opinion. I saw that Verve gig in 2008. I’ve heard a lot of amazing voices at Glastonbury in 8 visits but he was simply incredible. I revisit History from that gig often.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 1, 2021 18:01:02 GMT -5
I don't think Chris could write an album as bad as Richard's recent output if he tried. Genuinely. Too much of a natural melodist. Even the worst Coldplay albums contain Fix You and Up&Up, Square One and Adventure of a Lifetime, White Shadows and Birds. I'm with matt on this one. Big difference between a genuine pop Svengali with the ability to stay relevant and smash charts consistently for two decades, and a talented rock songwriter who needs a band but has convinced himself that he's a solo hurricane when he's more of a light breeze. And it's not as if Ashcroft has lost listeners by being too out there. This is more rock 'n' roll than anything he's done for years: Anyway, it's another top five smash for Coldplay. We'll see how Richard's covers of his own band does.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 1, 2021 18:17:20 GMT -5
I don't think Chris could write an album as bad as Richard's recent output if he tried. Genuinely. Too much of a natural melodist. Even the worst Coldplay albums contain Fix You and Up&Up, Square One and Adventure of a Lifetime, White Shadows and Birds. I'm with matt on this one. Big difference between a genuine pop Svengali with the ability to stay relevant and smash charts consistently for two decades, and a talented rock songwriter who needs a band but has convinced himself that he's a solo hurricane when he's more of a light breeze. And it's not as if Ashcroft has lost listeners by being too out there. This is more rock 'n' roll than anything he's done for years: Anyway, it's another top five smash for Coldplay. We'll see how Richard's covers of his own band does. As I said I wasn’t making a direct comparison except to say that they have both written some seriously indifferent stuff of late, the difference being that Ashcroft is writing shite for adults and Coldplay are trying to suck in the teenyboppers. It reminds me of U2 putting out Get On Your Boots.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 1, 2021 18:33:11 GMT -5
As I said I wasn’t making a direct comparison except to say that they have both written some seriously indifferent stuff of late, the difference being that Ashcroft is writing shite for adults and Coldplay are trying to suck in the teenyboppers. It reminds me of U2 putting out Get On Your Boots. Coldplay just put out a ten-minute track more adventurous than anything Ashcroft has thought of for decades. And they can do that while remaining globally relevant to multiple generations, because it's not an age gap - it's a talent gap. I made a friend this year, eighteen years old, from China. Never heard of The Beatles. Never heard of Queen. Coldplay? A Sky Full of Stars is her favourite. My Universe is on her playlist right now. U2 don't get that, Ashcroft certainly doesn't. You can't do that with cynicism - only with a genuine love of pop, and an ability to write it no matter the zeitgeist. And to do it while also making songs like Coloratura and Arabesque, two decades into your career, generations after bands went out of fashion? That's the kind of talent that Ashcroft thinks he has. In any case, I do agree that Coldplay can write insipid stuff, just that My Universe is not an example of that, and at no point are they even close to being as creatively bankrupt as Ashcroft. Stuff like Fun and Amazing Day from A Head Full of Dreams shows Coldplay at their worst - colourless, schmaltzy, cheap. Same with the lowlights from X&Y, their other big mis-step. Thankfully, this era hasn't contained anything like that so far. This feels like an era where they're free to follow every artistic impulse - be it progressive, pure pop, metal, or ambient. Of course, not every one of those genres will appeal to you, but the contrast between that and the rut Ashcroft is in is stark.
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Post by matt on Oct 2, 2021 8:01:57 GMT -5
I don't think Chris could write an album as bad as Richard's recent output if he tried. Genuinely. Too much of a natural melodist. Even the worst Coldplay albums contain Fix You and Up&Up, Square One and Adventure of a Lifetime, White Shadows and Birds. I'm with matt on this one. Big difference between a genuine pop Svengali with the ability to stay relevant and smash charts consistently for two decades, and a talented rock songwriter who needs a band but has convinced himself that he's a solo hurricane when he's more of a light breeze. And it's not as if Ashcroft has lost listeners by being too out there. This is more rock 'n' roll than anything he's done for years: Anyway, it's another top five smash for Coldplay. We'll see how Richard's covers of his own band does. As I said I wasn’t making a direct comparison except to say that they have both written some seriously indifferent stuff of late, the difference being that Ashcroft is writing shite for adults and Coldplay are trying to suck in the teenyboppers. It reminds me of U2 putting out Get On Your Boots. See this is an interesting take because I do see similarities in the two bands trying to be more 'chart contemporary'. Difference is I think this is where U2 and Coldplay diverge massively. I'm a U2 fan in a way I'm not with Coldplay but I know that song was shit and everyone responded as such by not listening to it (identical to all awful U2 singles off their last album). Coldplay do attract the massive audience however. I'm not going to dismiss millions of other folk listening to that because they are doing something right with their songwriting. It's not my vibe because there is a style of Coldplay I'm personally more suited to, but I get it because it has that big dance hooks in the way that their chart contemporaries like The Weeknd or Dua Lipa have. I get a genuine belief that Chris Martin has such joy and enthusiasm for this music and audiences acknowledge that infectiousness by listening to it and those qualities are present. It's in no way like the tired, contrived and cynical way of latching onto styles like U2 these days, nor insanely deluded in its sense of superiority like Ashcroft's Brent tribute act. Coldplay get it right regardless of whether I listen to them, the other two.... not so much.
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Post by matt on Oct 2, 2021 8:18:06 GMT -5
I don't think Chris could write an album as bad as Richard's recent output if he tried. Genuinely. Too much of a natural melodist. Even the worst Coldplay albums contain Fix You and Up&Up, Square One and Adventure of a Lifetime, White Shadows and Birds. I'm with matt on this one. Big difference between a genuine pop Svengali with the ability to stay relevant and smash charts consistently for two decades, and a talented rock songwriter who needs a band but has convinced himself that he's a solo hurricane when he's more of a light breeze. And it's not as if Ashcroft has lost listeners by being too out there. This is more rock 'n' roll than anything he's done for years: Anyway, it's another top five smash for Coldplay. We'll see how Richard's covers of his own band does. I loved Arabesque when it came out, but I actually think Orphans is the better song. Actually I think that's their best single since Strawberry Swing. It's catchy for a start, but it took me a while to realise the song was a tribute to a young girl who really was Rosaline that was killed in US/UK/French bombings of Syria. This is another tip to Bono and co - if you want to write a political song these days, be a bit more original in your protest. This song focuses on the victim and their character, and the sense of loss and yearning with it. It gives the song so much empathy and compassion to victims with what was lost. Just a much more sincere, humane and devastating anti-war tune than a generic 'fuck the US/UK' angry proclamation. It's really upbeat on first glance but a really sad song when you dig deeper. Great song, one of their very very best.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Oct 2, 2021 9:26:56 GMT -5
Are there any Coldplay songs without a “woah-O-oh” section in it?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 2, 2021 9:43:02 GMT -5
Are there any Coldplay songs without a “woah-O-oh” section in it? Sunrise
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 2, 2021 9:43:50 GMT -5
I loved Arabesque when it came out, but I actually think Orphans is the better song. Actually I think that's their best single since Strawberry Swing. It's catchy for a start, but it took me a while to realise the song was a tribute to a young girl who really was Rosaline that was killed in US/UK/French bombings of Syria. This is another tip to Bono and co - if you want to write a political song these days, be a bit more original in your protest. This song focuses on the victim and their character, and the sense of loss and yearning with it. It gives the song so much empathy and compassion to victims with what was lost. Just a much more sincere, humane and devastating anti-war tune than a generic 'fuck the US/UK' angry proclamation. It's really upbeat on first glance but a really sad song when you dig deeper. Great song, one of their very very best. Birds pulls a similar trick; with all those sumptuous basslines and crystalline guitars, you could be forgiven for forgetting that lyrics like "come on, start the riot, come on, rage with me" are contained among the nightclub vibes. But Orphans goes a step further, and has possibly Chris' most poetic lyrics in the verses. I was reading a book by the television writer Russell T Davies today, where he was asked if he likes to write political stories, and he said that he likes to write people, and it's impossible to do that well without politics emerging somewhere. I think that's true of Chris - Human Heart can be taken as a song about gender borders being stupid when we all have the same heart, but it's really just about people, who are the most political things of all. Writing like that, you avoid tacky Muse-style political posturing, while still singing about more than just schoolyard crushes.
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Post by matt on Oct 2, 2021 10:27:03 GMT -5
I loved Arabesque when it came out, but I actually think Orphans is the better song. Actually I think that's their best single since Strawberry Swing. It's catchy for a start, but it took me a while to realise the song was a tribute to a young girl who really was Rosaline that was killed in US/UK/French bombings of Syria. This is another tip to Bono and co - if you want to write a political song these days, be a bit more original in your protest. This song focuses on the victim and their character, and the sense of loss and yearning with it. It gives the song so much empathy and compassion to victims with what was lost. Just a much more sincere, humane and devastating anti-war tune than a generic 'fuck the US/UK' angry proclamation. It's really upbeat on first glance but a really sad song when you dig deeper. Great song, one of their very very best. Birds pulls a similar trick; with all those sumptuous basslines and crystalline guitars, you could be forgiven for forgetting that lyrics like "come on, start the riot, come on, rage with me" are contained among the nightclub vibes. But Orphans goes a step further, and has possibly Chris' most poetic lyrics in the verses. I was reading a book by the television writer Russell T Davies today, where he was asked if he likes to write political stories, and he said that he likes to write people, and it's impossible to do that well without politics emerging somewhere. I think that's true of Chris - Human Heart can be taken as a song about gender borders being stupid when we all have the same heart, but it's really just about people, who are the most political things of all. Writing like that, you avoid tacky Muse-style political posturing, while still singing about more than just schoolyard crushes. It's the most powerful form of protest, highlighting the human side of things. A reason why I love Bruce Springsteen because much of his best work is the stories of human beings corrupted from society. Doesn't bang the drum with wild sloganeering, just more subtle in its despair at the impact of politicians. And because you care, it makes you more angry. I think the Russell T Davies perspective is spot on. Even learning about history, the personalised take on it is the emotional pull you need to learn about it. Just recently, I knew absolutely nothing about the Japanese occupation of Singapore in the second world war, but a novel I read called How We Disappeared was a fictionalised account of the plight of a Singaporean women who was forced into sex slavery (something which was rife during the occupation which I was unaware of). All based on fact, and all the more catastrophic thinking about the consequences of military/imperial might, where most of what I learnt in school really only focused on the strategic and geopolitical consequences over anything. And of course, the 'human aspect' when taught just resorts to stats (i.e. numbers killed). It's where art and culture really plays such a significant part in our awareness of such things. I'd have probably assumed Chris Martin to be with all that shallow sloganeering sort, purely thinking it was a vanity thing. But listening to his lyrics recently, it's all about insight into just being human. Compared to say Travis, who I was listening to recently and they had a song called Peace The Fuck Out. A song berating politicians around the Iraq War . There's nice lines in there ('your mind is crooked/But your tie is straight') and I don't disagree with it, but the song reveals nothing you don't already feel. The best music uncovers emotions or feelings dormant in you, makes connections with abstract things that you otherwise didn't give consideration to and Chris Martin goes the right way about it in terms of his 'protests'.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 2, 2021 10:56:18 GMT -5
Birds pulls a similar trick; with all those sumptuous basslines and crystalline guitars, you could be forgiven for forgetting that lyrics like "come on, start the riot, come on, rage with me" are contained among the nightclub vibes. But Orphans goes a step further, and has possibly Chris' most poetic lyrics in the verses. I was reading a book by the television writer Russell T Davies today, where he was asked if he likes to write political stories, and he said that he likes to write people, and it's impossible to do that well without politics emerging somewhere. I think that's true of Chris - Human Heart can be taken as a song about gender borders being stupid when we all have the same heart, but it's really just about people, who are the most political things of all. Writing like that, you avoid tacky Muse-style political posturing, while still singing about more than just schoolyard crushes. It's the most powerful form of protest, highlighting the human side of things. A reason why I love Bruce Springsteen because much of his best work is the stories of human beings corrupted from society. Doesn't bang the drum with wild sloganeering, just more subtle in its despair at the impact of politicians. And because you care, it makes you more angry. I think the Russell T Davies perspective is spot on. Even learning about history, the personalised take on it is the emotional pull you need to learn about it. Just recently, I knew absolutely nothing about the Japanese occupation of Singapore in the second world war, but a novel I read called How We Disappeared was a fictionalised account of the plight of a Singaporean women who was forced into sex slavery (something which was rife during the occupation which I was unaware of). All based on fact, and all the more catastrophic thinking about the consequences of military/imperial might, where most of what I learnt in school really only focused on the strategic and geopolitical consequences over anything. And of course, the 'human aspect' when taught just resorts to stats (i.e. numbers killed). It's where art and culture really plays such a significant part in our awareness of such things. I'd have probably assumed Chris Martin to be with all that shallow sloganeering sort, purely thinking it was a vanity thing. But listening to his lyrics recently, it's all about insight into just being human. Compared to say Travis, who I was listening to recently and they had a song called Peace The Fuck Out. A song berating politicians around the Iraq War . There's nice lines in there ('your mind is crooked/But your tie is straight') and I don't disagree with it, but the song reveals nothing you don't already feel. The best music uncovers emotions or feelings dormant in you, makes connections with abstract things that you otherwise didn't give consideration to and Chris Martin goes the right way about it in terms of his 'protests'. To be fair to Travis, you are mentioning an album from over 18 years ago which at the time I dug. The real protest/anti war song from that particular album was “The Beautiful Occupation” and it does it’s jobs so well. Also “Re-Offender” is an excellent song about domestic violence. Sure Travis have tailed off but all these comparisons to U2, Ashcroft (which to me is a different category) and Travis to Coldplay are a tad unfair. Compare them to where those bands were In their careers at the same point as Coldplay. When U2 were in this stage of Coldplay, they released All That You Can’t Leave Behind and Atomic Bomb. The real bad stuff was still ahead for them as they entered mid 40s and beyond life.
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Post by matt on Oct 2, 2021 11:14:06 GMT -5
It's the most powerful form of protest, highlighting the human side of things. A reason why I love Bruce Springsteen because much of his best work is the stories of human beings corrupted from society. Doesn't bang the drum with wild sloganeering, just more subtle in its despair at the impact of politicians. And because you care, it makes you more angry. I think the Russell T Davies perspective is spot on. Even learning about history, the personalised take on it is the emotional pull you need to learn about it. Just recently, I knew absolutely nothing about the Japanese occupation of Singapore in the second world war, but a novel I read called How We Disappeared was a fictionalised account of the plight of a Singaporean women who was forced into sex slavery (something which was rife during the occupation which I was unaware of). All based on fact, and all the more catastrophic thinking about the consequences of military/imperial might, where most of what I learnt in school really only focused on the strategic and geopolitical consequences over anything. And of course, the 'human aspect' when taught just resorts to stats (i.e. numbers killed). It's where art and culture really plays such a significant part in our awareness of such things. I'd have probably assumed Chris Martin to be with all that shallow sloganeering sort, purely thinking it was a vanity thing. But listening to his lyrics recently, it's all about insight into just being human. Compared to say Travis, who I was listening to recently and they had a song called Peace The Fuck Out. A song berating politicians around the Iraq War . There's nice lines in there ('your mind is crooked/But your tie is straight') and I don't disagree with it, but the song reveals nothing you don't already feel. The best music uncovers emotions or feelings dormant in you, makes connections with abstract things that you otherwise didn't give consideration to and Chris Martin goes the right way about it in terms of his 'protests'. To be fair to Travis, you are mentioning an album from over 18 years ago which at the time I dug. The real protest/anti war song from that particular album was “The Beautiful Occupation” and it does it’s jobs so well. Also “Re-Offender” is an excellent song about domestic violence. Sure Travis have tailed off but all these comparisons to U2, Ashcroft (which to me is a different category) and Travis to Coldplay are a tad unfair. Compare them to where those bands were In their careers at the same point as Coldplay. When U2 were in this stage of Coldplay, they released All That You Can’t Leave Behind and Atomic Bomb. The real bad stuff was still ahead for them as they entered mid 40s and beyond life. I dig that Travis album too, especially Re-Offender but I just use it as an explicit example of political protesting. Chris Martin did similar with Politik - great great song, but as he's got older, I think his approach to it has matured. I love All That You Can't Leave Behind but I don't think its an age thing - I don't see Coldplay similarly writing bad songs like U2 have been doing (You're The Best Thing I just despise). It's about staying true to yourself and U2 haven't done that. I have no doubt that Chris Martin is staying true to himself - his music tastes were always a lot more poppy than U2, so its his natural forte and you can tell that in their songs. He said in the early 2000s he ideally wished Coldplay were more like N-Sync! I think he has grown Coldplay into the band he always wanted them to be. U2 never aspired to be with the pop kids, in fact, Bono scorned them when they released Achtung Baby so their career trajectory has become somewhat hypocritical in their current state.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 2, 2021 11:27:02 GMT -5
To be fair to Travis, you are mentioning an album from over 18 years ago which at the time I dug. The real protest/anti war song from that particular album was “The Beautiful Occupation” and it does it’s jobs so well. Also “Re-Offender” is an excellent song about domestic violence. Sure Travis have tailed off but all these comparisons to U2, Ashcroft (which to me is a different category) and Travis to Coldplay are a tad unfair. Compare them to where those bands were In their careers at the same point as Coldplay. When U2 were in this stage of Coldplay, they released All That You Can’t Leave Behind and Atomic Bomb. The real bad stuff was still ahead for them as they entered mid 40s and beyond life. I dig that Travis album too, especially Re-Offender but I just use it as an explicit example of political protesting. Chris Martin did similar with Politik - great great song, but as he's got older, I think his approach to it has matured. I love All That You Can't Leave Behind but I don't think its an age thing - I don't see Coldplay similarly writing bad songs like U2 have been doing (You're The Best Thing I just despise). It's about staying true to yourself and U2 haven't done that. I have no doubt that Chris Martin is staying true to himself - his music tastes were always a lot more poppy than U2, so its his natural forte and you can tell that in their songs. He said in the early 2000s he ideally wished Coldplay were more like N-Sync! I think he has grown Coldplay into the band he always wanted them to be. U2 never aspired to be with the pop kids, in fact, Bono scorned them when they released Achtung Baby so their career trajectory has become somewhat hypocritical in their current state. Keep in mind that back in 2000 Chris also said he wanted to be The Flaming Lips or PJ Harvey. You never know.
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Post by matt on Oct 2, 2021 11:49:49 GMT -5
I dig that Travis album too, especially Re-Offender but I just use it as an explicit example of political protesting. Chris Martin did similar with Politik - great great song, but as he's got older, I think his approach to it has matured. I love All That You Can't Leave Behind but I don't think its an age thing - I don't see Coldplay similarly writing bad songs like U2 have been doing (You're The Best Thing I just despise). It's about staying true to yourself and U2 haven't done that. I have no doubt that Chris Martin is staying true to himself - his music tastes were always a lot more poppy than U2, so its his natural forte and you can tell that in their songs. He said in the early 2000s he ideally wished Coldplay were more like N-Sync! I think he has grown Coldplay into the band he always wanted them to be. U2 never aspired to be with the pop kids, in fact, Bono scorned them when they released Achtung Baby so their career trajectory has become somewhat hypocritical in their current state. Keep in mind that back in 2000 Chris also said he wanted to be The Flaming Lips or PJ Harvey. You never know. In fairness to him, he's tried to be them too. I think that just sums up his attitude towards music in general. He has an encyclopedic taste in music.
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Post by glider on Oct 2, 2021 12:08:44 GMT -5
To be fair to Travis, you are mentioning an album from over 18 years ago which at the time I dug. The real protest/anti war song from that particular album was “The Beautiful Occupation” and it does it’s jobs so well. Also “Re-Offender” is an excellent song about domestic violence. Sure Travis have tailed off but all these comparisons to U2, Ashcroft (which to me is a different category) and Travis to Coldplay are a tad unfair. Compare them to where those bands were In their careers at the same point as Coldplay. When U2 were in this stage of Coldplay, they released All That You Can’t Leave Behind and Atomic Bomb. The real bad stuff was still ahead for them as they entered mid 40s and beyond life. I dig that Travis album too, especially Re-Offender but I just use it as an explicit example of political protesting. Chris Martin did similar with Politik - great great song, but as he's got older, I think his approach to it has matured. I love All That You Can't Leave Behind but I don't think its an age thing - I don't see Coldplay similarly writing bad songs like U2 have been doing (You're The Best Thing I just despise). It's about staying true to yourself and U2 haven't done that. I have no doubt that Chris Martin is staying true to himself - his music tastes were always a lot more poppy than U2, so its his natural forte and you can tell that in their songs. He said in the early 2000s he ideally wished Coldplay were more like N-Sync! I think he has grown Coldplay into the band he always wanted them to be. U2 never aspired to be with the pop kids, in fact, Bono scorned them when they released Achtung Baby so their career trajectory has become somewhat hypocritical in their current state.At that point in time, Achtung Baby wasn't trying to be a rejection of pop or embrace of classic 80s rock - it was the sound of an ensemble with pure creative freedom, not hunkered down by current trends. This allowed AB to be a cultural shift that impacted the music industry. Pop music, rock music, hip-hop - Achtung Baby was one of those albums that shifted the cultural zeitgeist, alot of those late 80s/early 90s records (Nevermind, Stone Roses, Straight Outta Compton) brought out a sound that would become mainstream and attempted to be replicated throughout the 90s and into the 2000s. Those same pop kids Bono mocked became fans to musical themes that were ushered in from AB. Also, I will disagree that Bono isn't sincere in liking newer music. He's praised modern musicians and worked with them numerous times over the last two decades and because some of that material has been lackluster, I don't believe that's him and U2 in general trying to latch on to trends. Those guys are in their late 50s and early 60s, their perspective will for sure be different from Martin and Coldplay, but I wouldn't say they really don't like newer pop material. The whole "true to yourself" arguement was the same one we were having back in 2015 with A Head Full of Dreams, calling the band sellouts, everything we still call U2. The perspective on here has only shifted in the last couple of years to a more understanding one. Chris is alot more likeable than Bono, and has a better perception of the current musical landscape, but he's also seventeen years younger.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 2, 2021 13:25:15 GMT -5
The irony is that the one time Coldplay haven't been "true to themselves" isn't A Head Full of Dreams, it's X&Y.
That was where they had sales in mind, that was where they put out something they wouldn't have done with more freedom, that's the record that they all regret. But that was a guitar-based album, so obviously that doesn't count; when people say they want the band to be more "true to themselves", they mean, "make music in the genres I enjoy". I still remember people on here writing theories about how Chris must have been bullied in high school because they'd rather invent some kind of personal trauma than face the idea that rock isn't inherently superior to pop. Weird. The good news is that I don't think there are many bands in the world as true to themselves as Coldplay are right now. Every muse, whether it's danceable anthems with BTS or heavy jazz-rock bangers, is there to be followed completely. People used to say every Coldplay song sounds the same, now they might be the single most varied act in the mainstream. It's been a long journey, but they got there.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 2, 2021 14:05:44 GMT -5
The irony is that the one time Coldplay haven't been "true to themselves" isn't A Head Full of Dreams, it's X&Y. That was where they had sales in mind, that was where they put out something they wouldn't have done with more freedom, that's the record that they all regret. But that was a guitar-based album, so obviously that doesn't count; when people say they want the band to be more "true to themselves", they mean, "make music in the genres I enjoy". I still remember people on here writing theories about how Chris must have been bullied in high school because they'd rather invent some kind of personal trauma than face the idea that rock isn't inherently superior to pop. Weird. The good news is that I don't think there are many bands in the world as true to themselves as Coldplay are right now. Every muse, whether it's danceable anthems with BTS or heavy jazz-rock bangers, is there to be followed completely. People used to say every Coldplay song sounds the same, now they might be the single most varied act in the mainstream. It's been a long journey, but they got there. X&Y is by no means a masterpiece and it gets shit on constantly by media, fans and critics but it was the biggest selling album in the entire world in 2005 by a large margin. It was Coldplay’s first USA #1 and sold boat loads, almost 800,000 copies first week. It got strong reviews in America and had a sold out tour coast to coast with some mega hit singles along the way. I’d rather listen to X&Y than AHFOD. That album sold boat loads too but also got shit reviews and cries of sell outs. Nothing wrong with pop but so many of those songs and collaborations didn’t work well despite creative freedom. X&Y has gotten the strong BHN comparisons since winter 2005. Big seller with critics turning on it. It’s by no means a perfect record but it’s got a ton of good ideas and sounds. They worked on it endlessly with so many delays. First it was winter 2004. Then January 2005. Then March 2005 and finally June 2005 with an album plus of scrapped material along the way that hasn’t seen the light of day. When people use to say all Coldplay songs sound the same I think they were referring to the radio singles which were all indie rock and spurned lovers regret. But they sorta release the same sort of song now as singles. Sky Full of Stars Hymn for the weekend Something just like this Orphans Higher Power My Universe These are a run of singles that got saturated in the market place. I know there are others sprinkled between them but these all the big boys that got the radio tv and stream hits. All very similar in genre and flare. Not saying it’s bad but it’s cut from similar cloth. When I hear people at work talk about Coldplay it’s usually about them being a pop band. Which is fine but it’s not like they are mixing in curveballs that are getting tons of streams. Maybe “People of the pride” will change that? Very curious of that song. Lot going on. Would love to see it given a chance to shine!!!!!
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 2, 2021 15:44:09 GMT -5
X&Y is by no means a masterpiece and it gets shit on constantly by media, fans and critics but it was the biggest selling album in the entire world in 2005 by a large margin. It was Coldplay’s first USA #1 and sold boat loads, almost 800,000 copies first week. It got strong reviews in America and had a sold out tour coast to coast with some mega hit singles along the way. I’d rather listen to X&Y than AHFOD. That album sold boat loads too but also got shit reviews and cries of sell outs. When people use to say all Coldplay songs sound the same I think they were referring to the radio singles which were all indie rock and spurned lovers regret. But they sorta release the same sort of song now as singles. Sky Full of Stars Hymn for the weekend Something just like this Orphans Higher Power My Universe I'd say X&Y is as much of a mis-step as A Head Full of Dreams. Rock fans will chose the former, pop fans the latter, but really, they're both albums that go for a sound and succeed when they follow it through, but collapse into blandness when they fall back on old tricks. X&Y has the highlights, but it's also much longer, and horrifically written. The lyrics are by far the worst Chris has ever delivered. Every track feels addressed in the second person, constantly cloying the listener with lines about how "you" feel, often with this smug messianic feel where the song thinks it can, well, "fix you". You see no meaning to your life, you should try. Cheers, Chris, didn't think of that. And then you have tracks like Swallowed in the Sea, The Hardest Part, A Message, and What If. They feel like a parody of Old-Coldplay, like A Rush of Blood to the Head dumbed down to sell records. And, really, that's what the album is. A cool space-rock album bloated to save EMI. AHFOD also has rubbish songs - Fun, in particular, is sonic vomit - but at least it's concise and joyful and doesn't feel designed against the artist's will. It's a 50/50, to me. Which one I prefer depends on my mood. But the point is that X&Y is Coldplay not being true to themselves, more than any other album. If you want to hear the sound of Chris writing with sales in mind, listen to X&Y. Genuinely have no idea what you're listening to, to think A Sky Full of Stars sounds like Orphans.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 2, 2021 16:07:21 GMT -5
X&Y is by no means a masterpiece and it gets shit on constantly by media, fans and critics but it was the biggest selling album in the entire world in 2005 by a large margin. It was Coldplay’s first USA #1 and sold boat loads, almost 800,000 copies first week. It got strong reviews in America and had a sold out tour coast to coast with some mega hit singles along the way. I’d rather listen to X&Y than AHFOD. That album sold boat loads too but also got shit reviews and cries of sell outs. When people use to say all Coldplay songs sound the same I think they were referring to the radio singles which were all indie rock and spurned lovers regret. But they sorta release the same sort of song now as singles. Sky Full of Stars Hymn for the weekend Something just like this Orphans Higher Power My Universe I'd say X&Y is as much of a mis-step as A Head Full of Dreams. Rock fans will chose the former, pop fans the latter, but really, they're both albums that go for a sound and succeed when they follow it through, but collapse into blandness when they fall back on old tricks. I'd say X&Y has the highlights (Coldplay always deliver good songs), but it's also much longer, and horrifically written. The lyrics are by far the worst Chris has ever delivered. Every track feels addressed in the second person, constantly cloying the listener with lines about how "you" feel, often with this smug messianic feel where the song thinks it can, well, "fix you". You see no meaning to your life, you should try. Cheers, Chris, didn't think of that. And then you have tracks like Swallowed in the Sea, The Hardest Part, A Message, and What If. They feel like a parody of Old-Coldplay, like A Rush of Blood to the Head dumbed down to sell records. And, really, that's what the album is. A cool space-rock album bloated to save EMI. AHFOD also has rubbish songs, but at least it's concise and joyful and doesn't feel designed against the artist's will. It's a 50/50, to me. Which one I prefer depends on my mood. But the point is that X&Y is Coldplay not being true to themselves, more than any other album. If you want to hear the sound of Chris writing with sales in mind, listen to X&Y. Genuinely have no idea what you're listening to, to think A Sky Full of Stars sounds like Orphans. Just that it’s extremely catchy and chart built. It’s a fun happy song. That’s the running theme of the last half decade of singles. Color. Fun. Sonic space. That’s what I meant. I adore Orphans. Such a banger. Wish they played it live on this go around but Chris warned Lane Lowe earlier this year they wouldn’t. Crazy. I also like Stars but not as much as Orphans.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 2, 2021 16:17:44 GMT -5
X&Y is by no means a masterpiece and it gets shit on constantly by media, fans and critics but it was the biggest selling album in the entire world in 2005 by a large margin. It was Coldplay’s first USA #1 and sold boat loads, almost 800,000 copies first week. It got strong reviews in America and had a sold out tour coast to coast with some mega hit singles along the way. I’d rather listen to X&Y than AHFOD. That album sold boat loads too but also got shit reviews and cries of sell outs. When people use to say all Coldplay songs sound the same I think they were referring to the radio singles which were all indie rock and spurned lovers regret. But they sorta release the same sort of song now as singles. Sky Full of Stars Hymn for the weekend Something just like this Orphans Higher Power My Universe I'd say X&Y is as much of a mis-step as A Head Full of Dreams. Rock fans will chose the former, pop fans the latter, but really, they're both albums that go for a sound and succeed when they follow it through, but collapse into blandness when they fall back on old tricks. X&Y has the highlights, but it's also much longer, and horrifically written. The lyrics are by far the worst Chris has ever delivered. Every track feels addressed in the second person, constantly cloying the listener with lines about how "you" feel, often with this smug messianic feel where the song thinks it can, well, "fix you". You see no meaning to your life, you should try. Cheers, Chris, didn't think of that. And then you have tracks like Swallowed in the Sea, The Hardest Part, A Message, and What If. They feel like a parody of Old-Coldplay, like A Rush of Blood to the Head dumbed down to sell records. And, really, that's what the album is. A cool space-rock album bloated to save EMI. AHFOD also has rubbish songs - Fun, in particular, is sonic vomit - but at least it's concise and joyful and doesn't feel designed against the artist's will. It's a 50/50, to me. Which one I prefer depends on my mood. But the point is that X&Y is Coldplay not being true to themselves, more than any other album. If you want to hear the sound of Chris writing with sales in mind, listen to X&Y. Genuinely have no idea what you're listening to, to think A Sky Full of Stars sounds like Orphans. There is so much X&Y that I really like and still dig 16 years later. Square One White Shadows Fix You Talk (still like the March 2005 leak more) Speed of Sound A Message Low Til Kingdom Come Even some of the b-sides deserved a better look for album consideration: Pour Me, Sleeping Sun, These Are Things I don’t Understand. Till this day no idea what happened to Ladder To The Sun, Solid Ground, Sweet Marieanne, etc.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 2, 2021 16:27:34 GMT -5
I'd say X&Y is as much of a mis-step as A Head Full of Dreams. Rock fans will chose the former, pop fans the latter, but really, they're both albums that go for a sound and succeed when they follow it through, but collapse into blandness when they fall back on old tricks. I'd say X&Y has the highlights (Coldplay always deliver good songs), but it's also much longer, and horrifically written. The lyrics are by far the worst Chris has ever delivered. Every track feels addressed in the second person, constantly cloying the listener with lines about how "you" feel, often with this smug messianic feel where the song thinks it can, well, "fix you". You see no meaning to your life, you should try. Cheers, Chris, didn't think of that. And then you have tracks like Swallowed in the Sea, The Hardest Part, A Message, and What If. They feel like a parody of Old-Coldplay, like A Rush of Blood to the Head dumbed down to sell records. And, really, that's what the album is. A cool space-rock album bloated to save EMI. AHFOD also has rubbish songs, but at least it's concise and joyful and doesn't feel designed against the artist's will. It's a 50/50, to me. Which one I prefer depends on my mood. But the point is that X&Y is Coldplay not being true to themselves, more than any other album. If you want to hear the sound of Chris writing with sales in mind, listen to X&Y. Genuinely have no idea what you're listening to, to think A Sky Full of Stars sounds like Orphans. Just that it’s extremely catchy and chart built. It’s a fun happy song. That’s the running theme of the last half decade of singles. Color. Fun. Sonic space. That’s what I meant. I adore Orphans. Such a banger. Wish they played it live on this go around but Chris warned Lane Lowe earlier this year they wouldn’t. Crazy. I also like Stars but not as much as Orphans. That's...an extremely loose way of tying songs together. Catchy is an adjective you could apply to every Coldplay song, and the two tracks share little past that. One is a piano-led EDM ballad, the other is a guitar-led, indie-pop protest song. There's a good groove to Orphans, but calling it "happy" is bold when it's literally about children's lives being torn apart by missile strikes. Same with, say, Hymn for the Weekend and My Universe. Okay, both pop songs about love. Both big hits. But one is a synth-heavy banger with a EDM drop, one is a piano groove with horns and an r'n'b influence. If you want to tie all these songs together, you need to cast a net so wide that it basically amounts to "Not The Scientist". Even if we stick with the idea that only the singles count, for some reason, the likes of Midnight, Arabesque, or Coloratura still provide improved sonic variety. Expand it past the singles, to Human Heart and People of the Pride and When I Need a Friend - it becomes more and more baffling why you would argue that Coldplay are in anywhere near as much danger of "all the songs sounding the same" as they used to be. I think both my points stand: the current era is Coldplay at their most "true to themselves", and that's one of the reasons they've evolved from a band criticized as same-y, to being perhaps the most varied act in the mainstream.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 2, 2021 16:33:29 GMT -5
Just that it’s extremely catchy and chart built. It’s a fun happy song. That’s the running theme of the last half decade of singles. Color. Fun. Sonic space. That’s what I meant. I adore Orphans. Such a banger. Wish they played it live on this go around but Chris warned Lane Lowe earlier this year they wouldn’t. Crazy. I also like Stars but not as much as Orphans. That's...an extremely loose way of tying songs together. Catchy is an adjective you could apply to every Coldplay song, and the two tracks share little past that. One is a piano-led EDM ballad, the other is a guitar-led, indie-pop protest song. There's a good groove to Orphans, but calling it "happy" is bold when it's literally about children's lives being torn apart by missile strikes. Same with, say, Hymn for the Weekend and My Universe. Okay, both pop songs about love. Both big hits. But one is a synth-heavy banger with a EDM drop, one is a piano groove with horns and an r'n'b influence. If you want to tie all these songs together, you need to cast a net so wide that it basically amounts to "Not The Scientist". Even if we stick with the idea that only the singles count, for some reason, the likes of Midnight, Arabesque, or Coloratura still provide improved sonic variety. Expand it past the singles, to Human Heart and People of the Pride and When I Need a Friend - it becomes more and more baffling why you would argue that Coldplay are in anywhere near as much danger of "all the songs sounding the same" as they used to be. I think both my points stand: the current era is Coldplay at their most "true to themselves", and that's one of the reasons they've evolved from a band criticized as same-y, to being perhaps the most varied act in the mainstream. My point being when people use to say all Coldplay songs sound the same they meant darker and sad. Naturally Yellow, The Scientist or Clocks don’t sonically sound the same. That is comparison to the lighter more upbeat tunes being released as singles now. It’s not just me saying they sound the same these days it’s people I know and work with. Some of the songs you mentioned weren’t heavily pushed singles like the ones I listed and are in rotation for the masses to make those generalizations.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 2, 2021 16:47:23 GMT -5
My point being when people use to say all Coldplay songs sound the same they meant darker and sad. Naturally Yellow, The Scientist or Clocks don’t sonically sound the same. That is comparison to the lighter more upbeat tunes being released as singles now. It’s not me saying they sound the same these days it’s people I know and work with. Some of the songs you mentioned weren’t heavily pushed singles like the ones I listed and are in rotation for the masses to make those generalizations. It's just...not a great point. I would bet every single thing I own that the perception of "all Coldplay songs sound the same" has plummeted among the general public since Mylo Xyloto. Certainly among younger people. And for good reason. Of course, the truth is that the band has never actually sounded monolithic, but it would be a hell of a lot easier to argue they were on the first three albums than beyond that. If anything, your list of singles proves just how varied they've managed to be in the pop sphere since 2014. A synth-pop banger with Korean rap verses is only similar to a r'n'b-influence piano groove if you define them both as "happy". Because I don't think people did mean "darker and sad". Radiohead are always "darker and sad", no-one ever said all their songs sound the same The falsetto, the piano, the love-lorn lyrics were all features that made people, wrongly, think they could only make one type of song. No coincidence those things were eradicated by Eno for the Viva reinvention. Because they weren't just a lot of the bands songs, it was that there wasn't a long of sonic spice in the other tracks to counter-act them. Coldplay make a lot of love-celebration pop-songs now, but they balance that out with lots of other colours and genres in a way that 2000-2005 Coldplay didn't. Like I said, my point is about them being "true to yourself." What we have now is Coldplay being true to themselves, pop songs included. For a taste of an album where they did feel forced to conform to a sound for sales, listen to X&Y, not AHFOD.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 2, 2021 16:53:07 GMT -5
My point being when people use to say all Coldplay songs sound the same they meant darker and sad. Naturally Yellow, The Scientist or Clocks don’t sonically sound the same. That is comparison to the lighter more upbeat tunes being released as singles now. It’s not me saying they sound the same these days it’s people I know and work with. Some of the songs you mentioned weren’t heavily pushed singles like the ones I listed and are in rotation for the masses to make those generalizations. It's just...not a great point. I would bet every single thing I own that the perception of "all Coldplay songs sound the same" has plummeted among the general public since Mylo Xyloto. Certainly among young people. Because I don't think people did mean "darker and sad". I think they meant "love-lorn piano/guitar-led indie song with moments of dramatic falsetto." Of course, the truth is that the band has never actually sounded monolithic, but it would be a hell of a lot easier to argue they were on the first three albums than beyond that. In fact, I don't think they've ever been as eclectic as they are right now. If anything, your list of singles proves just how varied they've managed to be in the pop sphere since 2014. A synth-pop banger with Korean rap verses is only similar to a r'n'b-influence piano groove if you define them both exclusively as "happy". Like I said, my point is about them being "true to yourself." What we have now is Coldplay being true to themselves, pop songs included. For a taste of an album where they did feel forced to conform to a sound for sales, listen to X&Y, not AHFOD. I mean at the end of the day they still do care about sales, charts and cater to parlaphone. Their record company basically told them on Everyday Life they need a big single and that a song ear marked for “Spheres” was pulled into the EL orbit. The band could have kicked back saying we are going with an Orphans less EL but didn’t. This happens a lot. Look at Noel and DBTT. Record executives said we need a single(s) and he tossed in Lyla and Idle very late into the game. Imagine that album without their two big and last #1 singles? Geez!!!!!
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 2, 2021 17:02:30 GMT -5
I mean at the end of the day they still do care about sales, charts and cater to parlaphone. Their record company basically told them on Everyday Life they need a big single and that a song ear marked for “Spheres” was pulled into the EL orbit. The band could have kicked back saying we are going with an Orphans less EL but didn’t. This happens a lot. Look at Noel and DBTT. Record executives said we need a single(s) and he tossed in Lyla and Idle very late into the game. Imagine that album without their two big and last #1 singles? Geez!!!!! Do you have a source for that? Not saying it's not true, I just haven't heard it. I remember Chris saying Orphans was planned for being part of the next album after Everyday Life, but that "one of the band" said the album needed something more musically upbeat. I think it was the right call. As matt says, the protest lyrics on the song work beautifully.
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