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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2005 8:52:59 GMT -5
i will probably get alot of disagreements on this but in my view we (yes im a yank but i am a england supporter even over the usa in footy).we need to make becks a sub in germany let him play like the last 20 mins at full speed and let wright phillips start ,his pace is gonna be vital to opening up defences like brazil,germany,italy...right now we are to slow ...gerrard lamps are fine owen and either crouch bent or defoe is fine...robbo is solid in goal...in the back i would go cambell terry ferdinand and neville,terry has played wide before i think they are the best 4 defenders we have and just like mourinho plays gallas carvahlo and terry together even though the are all cbs i think it would solidify the defence...becks is the problem he is too slow for international footy in my view ,we have no end to end threat to link up owen..wright phillips is the answer ,then put becks in the last 20 and let him go all out and maybe take a few late free kicks...just a thought
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Post by tezza202 on Oct 9, 2005 9:00:39 GMT -5
What england must do...get rid of Sven.
No way should Terry play as a full-back. As much as I hate to say it keep Ashley Cole there, or bring in Leighton Baines ;D
And they should just drop Beckham completely.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2005 9:18:36 GMT -5
What england must do...get rid of Sven. No way should Terry play as a full-back. As much as I hate to say it keep Ashley Cole there, or bring in Leighton Baines ;D And they should just drop Beckham completely. maybe make rio the fb? and sven should be gone after germany  |
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Post by tezza202 on Oct 9, 2005 9:42:15 GMT -5
Well I think Rio needs to start playing decent again if he even wants to be considered for the England squad.
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Post by feckarse on Oct 9, 2005 10:19:36 GMT -5
terry should not be played at full back, he's englands best centre back and you should always play your best players in position .... and in ashley cole they have the worlds best left back (i'm a gooner, but i don't like him) and he should not be dropped to accomodate RioF....
it makes no sense to move your two best players out of position & off the team to accomodate someone who has been looking decidely average for a long time now
if rio's form doesn't pick up this season, with the amount of centre backs england have then in my opinion he wouldn't deserve to be in the squad let alone the team.
But you've got sven in charge so that could never happen.
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Post by Dominic on Oct 9, 2005 11:23:48 GMT -5
rio will be in it, its all polotics, man utds best english player will walk in, campbell injury free, and terry easly can walk in compared to rio
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Oct 9, 2005 11:49:42 GMT -5
personally, my line-up would be... (4-4-2)
Robinson
Young (or Neville), Ferdinand, Campbell, A. Cole (or Carragher)
Wright-Phillips (or Lampard), Gerrard, Beckham, J. Cole
Crouch, Owen
In the Northern Ireland game Beckham played excellently in that position playing balls to Wright Phillips on the right, not saying it's perfect but given the choice i would play that line-up. Joe Cole is playing brilliantly on the left hand side and is taking the chances to come forward well. I feel that Sven should use Ferdinand and Campbell together as they have proved most effective like that, in their last tournamant they were solid, if somebody got past one of them they would rarely get past the other.
...just my thoughts
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Post by Moorish on Oct 9, 2005 17:10:59 GMT -5
If Rooney was fit or unbanned then there is no fucking way that Crouch chould get picked in front of him.
What England need is to get some fucking URGENCY about them. At the moment we're timid, boring, tactically naive.
Sven - I think the days are numbered.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2005 17:54:36 GMT -5
my 11 would be
robbo
neville
king (yes ledely king at lb)
terry
cambell
phillips
gerrard
lampard
cole
rooney
owen
and feck my lineup calls for only 1 player out of position l.king...the rest would stay in position..i just think england have a overabundence of quality cbs and king or rio are athletic enough to play fb
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2005 18:25:50 GMT -5
The Goalkeeper has to be Paul Robinson
The Left back Ashley Cole
The Right Back, Gary Neville
The central defenders either Campbell, Terry or Ferdinand, to me its not to important which of the 3 but I would go for Campbell and Ferdinand.
Right Midfield
People are looking at things from the wrong angle. It is not a question of who is better as both a quality players. It is a question of which type of player do you want (this may vary from game to game) Wright - Phillips primarily is player that runs with the ball and Beckham crosses the ball. The question is not Beckham or WP but dribbler or crosser.
Left side of Midfield
Joe Cole isn't the answer as he doesn’t stay on the flank the answer is either Alan Thompson or Stuart Downing.
Central Midfield
Although Lampard and Gerrard are the two best central midfielders available for England I would not play both of them. i would have one of them (probably Lampard) partnered with a more defensive midfielder. I’m still not sure who, possibly Michael Carrick or if he continues the way he has started in his new role then Alan Smith is a possibility. having a slightly more defensively minded midfielder would allow Lampard/Gerrard and extra freedom and there would be a more immediate understanding as to when they can go forward and when to hold.
The strikers are easy Owen and Rooney (with Rooney given a free role)
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Post by Moorish on Oct 10, 2005 3:52:49 GMT -5
I think the idea that Lampard and Gerrard can't play in the same team together is faintly ludicrous. They are the two best we have, it is purely a question of management for me. Sven is not getting the best or right performances out of his players.
Gerrard was, as we all know, slated to move to Chelsea at one point. You think Mourinho wouldn't have played him in with Lampard? And if he did, you think Mourinho would have gotten crappy performances out of them? I sincererly doubt it. A great manager should be able to make two fantastic players like that a positive, not a hindrance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2005 4:59:41 GMT -5
I think the idea that Lampard and Gerrard can't play in the same team together is faintly ludicrous. They are the two best we have, it is purely a question of management for me. Sven is not getting the best or right performances out of his players. Gerrard was, as we all know, slated to move to Chelsea at one point. You think Mourinho wouldn't have played him in with Lampard? And if he did, you think Mourinho would have gotten crappy performances out of them? I sincererly doubt it. A great manager should be able to make two fantastic players like that a positive, not a hindrance. They should be able to play well together but I can't remember and England game were they have been better than average together. |
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Post by ash on Oct 10, 2005 6:03:05 GMT -5
I think the idea that Lampard and Gerrard can't play in the same team together is faintly ludicrous. They are the two best we have, it is purely a question of management for me. Sven is not getting the best or right performances out of his players. Gerrard was, as we all know, slated to move to Chelsea at one point. You think Mourinho wouldn't have played him in with Lampard? And if he did, you think Mourinho would have gotten crappy performances out of them? I sincererly doubt it. A great manager should be able to make two fantastic players like that a positive, not a hindrance. They should be able to play well together but I can't remember and England game were they have been better than average together. i agree, we may aswell get the best out of one of them instead of mediocre performances from both, id play gerrard whos probably more inspirational alongside carrick whos probably the best passer of the ball in england behind xavi alonso |
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Post by Moorish on Oct 10, 2005 8:32:43 GMT -5
They should be able to play well together but I can't remember and England game were they have been better than average together. i agree, we may aswell get the best out of one of them instead of mediocre performances from both, id play gerrard whos probably more inspirational alongside carrick whos probably the best passer of the ball in england behind xavi alonso But why is it impossible to get the best out of both?? I don't think it is. IF they were being managed properly and we weren't tactically awful. Mourinho would have done it at Chelsea. Sven obviously cannot for England. |
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Post by ash on Oct 10, 2005 9:18:46 GMT -5
i agree, we may aswell get the best out of one of them instead of mediocre performances from both, id play gerrard whos probably more inspirational alongside carrick whos probably the best passer of the ball in england behind xavi alonso But why is it impossible to get the best out of both?? I don't think it is. IF they were being managed properly and we weren't tactically awful. Mourinho would have done it at Chelsea. Sven obviously cannot for England. it probably would have worked at chelsea cause they wouldve had makalele behind them protecting the back four, england would have to play 5 in midfield for that too work, with a proper holding midfielder, not beckham |
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Post by daysleeper on Oct 11, 2005 14:07:41 GMT -5
it probably would have worked at chelsea cause they wouldve had makalele behind them protecting the back four, england would have to play 5 in midfield for that too work, with a proper holding midfielder, not beckham Exactly The answer for England is simple, in my eyes 3-5-2 3 centre backs - so there is no choice between Ferdinand, Campbell and Terry 2 wing backs - Ashley Cole (the perfect wingback) and Beckham on the right 1 holding midfielder - no one has this position yet, but it would come down to a choice between Parker, King and Carrick. 2 attacking central midfielders - lampard and gerrard 2 up front - owen and rooney Given England's current strengths and weaknesses- that team would pick itself. However English football seems to be strangled by the 4 at the back systems and Eriksson is frankly a pathetic manager. Cant blame it all on him though so lets be honest - most modern day footballers arent bright enough to grasp whats expected of them tactically Venables would of played 3-5-2 |
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Post by Bizzle on Oct 11, 2005 16:23:29 GMT -5
I second Daysleeper's plan. |
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Post by feckarse on Oct 11, 2005 17:46:30 GMT -5
3-5-2 has been tried repeatedly by england and most agreed it failed miserably.... then again, time soothes over all lessons learnt from mistakes......  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2005 17:48:35 GMT -5
England must play 4 4 2 to play with 3 at the back just so you can play Campbell, Terry and Ferdinand is stupid, you must pick the best team and not the best players.
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Post by feckarse on Oct 11, 2005 17:50:41 GMT -5
England must play 4 4 2 to play with 3 at the back just so you can play Campbell, Terry and Ferdinand is stupid, you must pick the best team and not the best players. more to the point, since when is Rio one of the best players anyway?! He's shockin' these days!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2005 3:50:38 GMT -5
it probably would have worked at chelsea cause they wouldve had makalele behind them protecting the back four, england would have to play 5 in midfield for that too work, with a proper holding midfielder, not beckham Venables would of played 3-5-2 ahh how i wis TERRY V was the gaffer again |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2005 5:54:11 GMT -5
England must play 4 4 2 to play with 3 at the back just so you can play Campbell, Terry and Ferdinand is stupid, you must pick the best team and not the best players. more to the point, since when is Rio one of the best players anyway?! He's shockin' these days!!! Form is temporary class is permanent and the world cup is a few months a way better to play sub standard now than then. |
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Post by ash on Oct 12, 2005 8:32:25 GMT -5
it probably would have worked at chelsea cause they wouldve had makalele behind them protecting the back four, england would have to play 5 in midfield for that too work, with a proper holding midfielder, not beckham Exactly The answer for England is simple, in my eyes 3-5-2 3 centre backs - so there is no choice between Ferdinand, Campbell and Terry 2 wing backs - Ashley Cole (the perfect wingback) and Beckham on the right 1 holding midfielder - no one has this position yet, but it would come down to a choice between Parker, King and Carrick. 2 attacking central midfielders - lampard and gerrard 2 up front - owen and rooney Given England's current strengths and weaknesses- that team would pick itself. However English football seems to be strangled by the 4 at the back systems and Eriksson is frankly a pathetic manager. Cant blame it all on him though so lets be honest - most modern day footballers arent bright enough to grasp whats expected of them tactically Venables would of played 3-5-2 hoddle also played 3-5-2 and i think his england team was the most exciting that i can remember, but the problem with it is beckhams not athletic enough to play wing back, gerrard could be played there but then your not playing to his strengths so the only other alternative is to play garry neville and drop either beckham, gerrard or lampard i dont think those 3 can play together in the same team |
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Post by mar on Oct 12, 2005 12:44:28 GMT -5
acquiesce playin over the tannoy at old traff rite now 2 of me m8s there bastards 3-0 |
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Post by daysleeper on Oct 15, 2005 10:57:17 GMT -5
England must play 4 4 2 to play with 3 at the back just so you can play Campbell, Terry and Ferdinand is stupid, you must pick the best team and not the best players. true.... but what if the best team is 3-5-2?  Who's to say it isnt? Eriksson hasnt tried it! Mostly because he prefers making 56 substitutions during friendly matches instead of using the games wisely to try tactical variations and more subtle changes in personnel. to have the best team, you have to be able to get the best out of your players. That needs a system that suits them. and maybe 3-5-2 wont be the best system, but it should of at least been tried ages ago. |
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