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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 6:04:15 GMT -5
How does Lee make money over the last 30 years? Serious question. They don’t sell a lot of records. They don’t tour. I doubt their music is used in a ton of movies or tv shows for royalties. as others said, mostly regular sync from a couple of tunes, most likely recouped so royalties from sales/plays too, maybe bought a house in the first flush of success/advances. How many thousands a year do you need for food and 'recreation'? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 6:09:07 GMT -5
Anyone knows any good books about the band?
This is kind of the quintessential book because it's a guy who set out to find Lee Mavers and figure out what exactly happened to him ... a very La's story to tell:
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Synopsis: With timeless single “There She Goes,” Lee Mavers’ La’s overtook The Stone Roses as great British guitar hopes and paved the way for the Britpop renaissance of Blur and Oasis. However, since 1991, The La’s have been silent, while rumors of studio-perfectionism, madness and drug addiction have abounded with Mavers lined up as another rock casualty. The author sets out to discover the truth behind Mavers’ lost decade and eventually gains a revelatory audience with Mavers himself.
that book sounds great and right up my street - just went to buy it from the uk amaz link but it's £256!!!
luckily you can get it second hand, but that's £242!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bigmouth22 on Aug 10, 2022 10:02:00 GMT -5
I don't really get the hype. They are good but nothing amazing to my ears. I agree with my forum near-namesake here...
supported them at a gig, classic line up, really nice blokes all of them.
Saw them play a fair few times around the first album/there she goes - always seem to lack that rock'n'roll edge for me, like a skiffle group or something.
I think Maver's would've taken that as a compliment-it's seem's part of what they were trying to achieve was some kind of pure simplicity.In the 1990 interview Maver's sneer's that the label were trying to make some of the songs sound like 'stadium rock' which seems to be taking things a bit far. If The La's and Roses didn't have the appetite for stardom Oasis of course were positively ravenous for it.And prepared to give people what they wanted-a bit of old fashioned rock 'n roll mayhem.Though Noel has more or less stated he believes Maver's is the superior songwriter and the two seem to have had fleeting aquaintence,I'm wondering if Maver's would've felt the same about Oasis.If he was around making new music in that era he would've no doubt have been scornfull of Britpop-and would probably have launched some barbed remarks in the direction of Oasis into the bargain. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 10, 2022 16:12:41 GMT -5
This is kind of the quintessential book because it's a guy who set out to find Lee Mavers and figure out what exactly happened to him ... a very La's story to tell:
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Synopsis: With timeless single “There She Goes,” Lee Mavers’ La’s overtook The Stone Roses as great British guitar hopes and paved the way for the Britpop renaissance of Blur and Oasis. However, since 1991, The La’s have been silent, while rumors of studio-perfectionism, madness and drug addiction have abounded with Mavers lined up as another rock casualty. The author sets out to discover the truth behind Mavers’ lost decade and eventually gains a revelatory audience with Mavers himself.
that book sounds great and right up my street - just went to buy it from the uk amaz link but it's £256!!!
luckily you can get it second hand, but that's £242!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, it's gone out of print again. Not sure if they will do another edition or not, they did a second one around 2011. Although I can find it used for about $50 US online, that's still a ridiculous price for a trade paperback.
You might find a cheaper one floating around a used bookstore that isn't into rare book dealing (not online) but surprisingly, one of the best places to find out-of-print music books turns out to be the regular old library. Worth a check if you have access to a good one -- can't beat that price!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 18:09:33 GMT -5
I agree with my forum near-namesake here...
supported them at a gig, classic line up, really nice blokes all of them.
Saw them play a fair few times around the first album/there she goes - always seem to lack that rock'n'roll edge for me, like a skiffle group or something.
I think Maver's would've taken that as a compliment-it's seem's part of what they were trying to achieve was some kind of pure simplicity.In the 1990 interview Maver's sneer's that the label were trying to make some of the songs sound like 'stadium rock' which seems to be taking things a bit far. If The La's and Roses didn't have the appetite for stardom Oasis of course were positively ravenous for it.And prepared to give people what they wanted-a bit of old fashioned rock 'n roll mayhem.Though Noel has more or less stated he believes Maver's is the superior songwriter and the two seem to have had fleeting aquaintence,I'm wondering if Maver's would've felt the same about Oasis.If he was around making new music in that era he would've no doubt have been scornfull of Britpop-and would probably have launched some barbed remarks in the direction of Oasis into the bargain.
no doubt you're right on all points.
has no one mentioned Liam's unreleased (though played live) tune 'Eh La'?
with a lyric that includes the phrase 'son of a gun' it's definitely aimed at Mavers, and the 'give him a slap' bit suggests an interesting story in there somewhere...
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 11, 2022 2:25:02 GMT -5
has no one mentioned Liam's unreleased (though played live) tune 'Eh La'?
with a lyric that includes the phrase 'son of a gun' it's definitely aimed at Mavers, and the 'give him a slap' bit suggests an interesting story in there somewhere...
Yes, for sure (although it seems to have largely been missed in the threads here.) I do remember there were rumors they were going to work together before Liam’s first solo album so who knows if there were actually any meetings of the minds (or a slap!) back then. Much as that combo would get me hot and bothered, that seems like a whole lot of wild energy for any one room … could start a fire. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 6:45:50 GMT -5
has no one mentioned Liam's unreleased (though played live) tune 'Eh La'?
with a lyric that includes the phrase 'son of a gun' it's definitely aimed at Mavers, and the 'give him a slap' bit suggests an interesting story in there somewhere...
Yes, for sure (although it seems to have largely been missed in the threads here.) I do remember there were rumors they were going to work together before Liam’s first solo album so who knows if there were actually any meetings of the minds (or a slap!) back then. Much as that combo would get me hot and bothered, that seems like a whole lot of wild energy for any one room … could start a fire. Arising from that possible attempt of getting Mavers to write with Liam, and total conjecture on one of the reasons why that might not have worked (but led to 'Eh La'!) I think there's actually an interesting discussion to be had about Oasis and heroin.
It's a sad fact (and one that I've never truly understood) that many, many big rock stars/bands get involved with the drug. Doubtless, like many other 'professionals' in society, some can afford to keep a 'healthy habit' going. Others fall foul of it in various ways.
so it's unthinkable that H hasn't come into the Oasis picture at some, or many, points.
Personally I get the impression (and I could be totally, wildly wrong as I have nothing other than guesswork to base it on) that it's something of a red line for both the Gallaghers, but definitely Noel.
It could explain a lot in terms of the changes the band went through at various points.
Two examples spring to mind, both involving Joe Strummer - he was the driving force in kicking drummer Topper out of the Clash due to growing unreliability from his (now, but not at the time) openly discussed heroin addiction. Yet later in The Mescaleros Strummer's first main collaborator in the band had an 'open secret' addiction which Joe helped to functionally facilitate in order to get the work done...
I think that for all the sex, drugs and rock'n'roll image of Oasis one drug was not tolerated. At all.
There are several Beady Eye tunes that, if penned by Keith Richards, would be obvious references to a certain drug habit.
But then of course there is 'Lord Don't Slow Me down' to consider too...
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 11, 2022 16:48:19 GMT -5
Arising from that possible attempt of getting Mavers to write with Liam, and total conjecture on one of the reasons why that might not have worked (but led to 'Eh La'!) I think there's actually an interesting discussion to be had about Oasis and heroin.
It's a sad fact (and one that I've never truly understood) that many, many big rock stars/bands get involved with the drug. Doubtless, like many other 'professionals' in society, some can afford to keep a 'healthy habit' going. Others fall foul of it in various ways.
so it's unthinkable that H hasn't come into the Oasis picture at some, or many, points.
Personally I get the impression (and I could be totally, wildly wrong as I have nothing other than guesswork to base it on) that it's something of a red line for both the Gallaghers, but definitely Noel.
It could explain a lot in terms of the changes the band went through at various points.
Two examples spring to mind, both involving Joe Strummer - he was the driving force in kicking drummer Topper out of the Clash due to growing unreliability from his (now, but not at the time) openly discussed heroin addiction. Yet later in The Mescaleros Strummer's first main collaborator in the band had an 'open secret' addiction which Joe helped to functionally facilitate in order to get the work done...
I think that for all the sex, drugs and rock'n'roll image of Oasis one drug was not tolerated. At all.
There are several Beady Eye tunes that, if penned by Keith Richards, would be obvious references to a certain drug habit.
But then of course there is 'Lord Don't Slow Me down' to consider too...
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The irony being that Topper Headon is still alive and kicking while poor Joe has too long been dead. Such a loss. But so it goes.
I don't have any real insight into Oasis and heroin so far, other than that it was obviously counter to the band's whole vibe, despite the hedonism. As you say, it's impossible they wouldn't have come into contact with it, but there are also levels of use. Noel has claimed before that he never touched it, and suspect as Noel's public claims can be, I can believe it. It's an obviously bad match between man and drug and he has always proved very good at maintaining red lines (for better and for worse). It's hard to believe Liam hasn't at least chased the dragon, as it were, but he seems to jibe more with the peppier and dreamier drugs ... and both clearly lean towards the old liquid escapism.
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Post by AllOrNothing on Jun 10, 2023 16:48:10 GMT -5
Fucking love the La's Lee Mavers is like a less prolific Dan Treacy to me
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