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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 0:38:37 GMT -5
Leaving the actual history side: What do you think? Noel clearly had the songs during the DM/WTSMG and you might argue that some of liams earlier shenanigans (US tour 1996, unplugged) were contraproductive even though his contributions to oasis is undeniable
How would have oasis with Noel and a slightly worse but more “solid” singer fared?
I would guess: peak considerably lower but somewhat more consistency
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Post by walterglass on Dec 18, 2020 1:12:15 GMT -5
It might get messy.
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Post by welshylad on Dec 18, 2020 3:40:50 GMT -5
Liam made Oasis what it was. Noel has even said that
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 18, 2020 4:07:23 GMT -5
Inbefore this goes south
Don't think they would've been half as successful Liam had a generational voice and an immense appeal on the youngsters as a character, he was just born to be a rockstar, Noel doesn't have that
I do think they could've still made it if we're not considering the history side of things, as the songs were there and their quality is undeniable and Noel's background combined with his *charm* as an interviewee could've been enough to create a quite strong narrative, but I doubt they would've ever got to Sheffield Arena in terms of magnitude
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Dec 18, 2020 4:22:04 GMT -5
Noel said that without Liam, Oasis didn’t exist. I believe that if it had happened they would have been a banal pop band that would never have reached the heights reached with Liam. I personally became a fan of Oasis thanks to Liam, without Liam I would never have become a fan of them.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 18, 2020 4:59:51 GMT -5
Noel said that without Liam, Oasis didn’t exist. I believe that if it had happened they would have been a banal pop band that would never have reached the heights reached with Liam. I personally became a fan of Oasis thanks to Liam, without Liam I would never have become a fan of them. So Oasis without Liam = the Backstreet Boys?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 5:55:07 GMT -5
A big part of Oasis was the Liam & Noel "double act". The best interviews were with both of them.
Also when you hear Oasis covers you realise how much those songs need Liam's voice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 11:35:48 GMT -5
Why would this set go south? All replies so far have been reasonable
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 18, 2020 11:39:59 GMT -5
Why would this set go south? All replies so far have been reasonable There's still time for it to turn into a Liam vs Noel thing, but yeah this has been good so far
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Post by wylliejack on Dec 18, 2020 11:51:14 GMT -5
If oasis never happened, i could easily see Noel working working as an established industry songwriter. Assuming that the lack of a band doesnt impact his songwriting, I can't imagine a world where live forever doesn't get picked up by the industry. Either that or him going for the acoustic singer-songwriter market, but I just don't see him going that route.
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Post by Aman on Dec 18, 2020 12:08:55 GMT -5
Nowhere near as successful obviously. Imagine Live Forever released with Noel singing for example.
I wouldn't have been a fan anyway, they just would've been like a band like Travis to me or something. A band I like-ish and think they're alright but nothing more.
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Post by tiger40 on Dec 18, 2020 14:12:19 GMT -5
I've always said that it was Noel and Liam who made Oasis. But would they have been as successful without Liam the answer is no because I could never imagine Noel singing songs like the tracks on Definitely Maybe. They're made for Liam to sing. The band would probably have had moderate success without Liam but nothing more I don't think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 14:33:25 GMT -5
Both could have had a decent following if Liam found another good band/songwriter and Noel a good singer to sing his gems. I think some fans underestimate how great they both were in their own field, back in the day. I mean when you write the melody of Live Forever or when you do that vocal performance on Wonderwall, you have nothing to prove to anyone.
Also, it depends what you call a succesful band. For me, even a band like Mazzy Star could be called succesful. Sure they didn't fill out two nights in Knebworth but they sold a few millions records. I could see both brothers reaching that level if they found the right people.
That said, thank god it turned out the way it did. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Post by frjdoasis on Dec 18, 2020 14:46:02 GMT -5
No Liam = No Oasis. Noel wasn't even interested in starting a 'career'.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 18, 2020 15:15:23 GMT -5
No Liam = No Oasis. Noel wasn't even interested in starting a 'career'. Yeah if we stay on the factual side I think Liam had definitely more of a chance of being successful, although I doubt he would've been able to do it with the actual guys in Oasis minus Noel, while Noel seemed quite happy with his life as a roadie after a couple of unsuccessful tries With that said, if he never joined Oasis but still wrote Definitely Maybe, he might've changed his mind Not sure about joining another band, but as someone else said I could imagine him bringing those songs to a record label and they were clearly too good to be denied even without Liam singing The way he writes he could've definitely carved out a career as a pop songwriter, it's all about getting yourself in that position
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Post by World71R on Dec 18, 2020 16:09:12 GMT -5
I think Oasis would've been that one underground band that everyone loves but the mainstream doesn't really know about.
Just imagine Noel singing the Definitely Maybe tunes (or Headshrinker)... He's developed himself into a good singer now but back then, he was more pitchy and his presence wasn't there as much, and he didn't have that snarl like Liam did. Liam really elevated the songs in a way that Noel couldn't back in the day and, in turn, made the band whole.
Same case for if Noel wasn't part of the band, it wouldn't have worked. I'd even go as far to say that it wouldn't have worked with Tony and Alan not being a part of the band either. Their drumming efforts each made DM and MG very distinctive albums.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 18, 2020 16:26:10 GMT -5
If Liam didn’t exist, Noel would have spent less time alone in his room and never become a pop songwriter. Clearly, he would have taken up the harpsichord, heard mad melodies in his head, and become an ecstatic, eccentric composer in the manner of Franz Lizst, touring the world to adoring fans and flustered critics, whilst insulting rock and roll bands and building a 425,000 square-foot castle (with alligator filled moat) in Bavaria.
If Noel didn’t exist, Liam would have had nowhere to bounce his innate anger. Clearly, he would have taken up wing chun before the age of 10, impressed the girls with his very, very, very wide middle splits, and become “the Bruce Lee of Manchester,” starring in a series of South Korean vengeance thrillers before going into a Brando-like exile on an arctic island requiring an immense amount of outdoor wear.
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Post by matt on Dec 18, 2020 16:40:18 GMT -5
Without Liam, they'd be like that football team that does everything right but just lacks that killer instinct. Really good, but underachieving, could be massive but just needs that magic sparkle to set them right. Then they sign the star striker, and there you go, outrageous success.
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Post by funhouse on Dec 19, 2020 7:19:57 GMT -5
I think Oasis would've been that one underground band that everyone loves but the mainstream doesn't really know about. Just imagine Noel singing the Definitely Maybe tunes (or Headshrinker)... He's developed himself into a good singer now but back then, he was more pitchy and his presence wasn't there as much, and he didn't have that snarl like Liam did. Liam really elevated the songs in a way that Noel couldn't back in the day and, in turn, made the band whole. Same case for if Noel wasn't part of the band, it wouldn't have worked. I'd even go as far to say that it wouldn't have worked with Tony and Alan not being a part of the band either. Their drumming efforts each made DM and MG very distinctive albums. I'm probably not as well read on early Oasis history as many on here, but is there anything suggesting that, had Liam left or if it just didn't work out, that Noel himself would be the lead singer?
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Post by freddy838 on Dec 19, 2020 9:14:58 GMT -5
I reckon Noel would have probably joined a relatively established band as a guitarist using his contacts in the industry but whether he would have had the same work ethic to write so many songs I doubt. An established band would most likely already have a singer and songwriter so Noel wouldn't have been able to take control like he did with Oasis. For all Liam's raw singing talent in the early days I don't think he would have developed his voice into one of the most iconic and commercially popular singers without Noel's melodies. Oasis is Liam singing Noel's songs for me.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 19, 2020 10:51:59 GMT -5
Without Liam inviting Noel into an already established band, the drive of being in that band for over a year, having Liam to channel his voice through and then being dropped from The Inspiral Carpets (Jan 93) I highly doubt Noel would've become as great and prolific a songwriter as he did. That said, hypothetically speaking, had Noel become that great songwriter we know he did and released all the songs with himself singing would he still have been a big success? Yeah I think very likely so. Definitely not as big of a success as Oasis, sure, but if the songs were there people would've lapped them up regardless. I'd imagine he'd have written the songs to suit his voice more but the basics would be there still. Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova, etc. are big mainstream successes regardless of who sings them.
It's worth noting though that there are other factors Liam provided to Oasis beyond his voice. One of which was drama and therefore headlines and press. Another would be a 'coolness' factor. Lads (you know who) could relate to him. He was a good looking guy (sorry Noel) which always scores well with young females (and probably men too)... and so on.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 19, 2020 12:57:00 GMT -5
They would never have been signed, so nowhere. Noel would have ended up writing for other people or producing, he would have made it differently. He would have been noticed at some point.
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Post by The Chief on Dec 19, 2020 14:04:59 GMT -5
It wouldn't have gone anywhere without Liam, nor Noel. The brothers TOGETHER were Oasis.
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Post by frjdoasis on Dec 19, 2020 15:41:47 GMT -5
No Liam = No Oasis. Noel wasn't even interested in starting a 'career'. Yeah if we stay on the factual side I think Liam had definitely more of a chance of being successful, although I doubt he would've been able to do it with the actual guys in Oasis minus Noel, while Noel seemed quite happy with his life as a roadie after a couple of unsuccessful tries With that said, if he never joined Oasis but still wrote Definitely Maybe, he might've changed his mind Not sure about joining another band, but as someone else said I could imagine him bringing those songs to a record label and they were clearly too good to be denied even without Liam singing The way he writes he could've definitely carved out a career as a pop songwriter, it's all about getting yourself in that position Yeah he could have made it on his own at some point, no doubt, but I think that motivation, that 'I wanna be in a fucking rock band with loud guitars and swagger' thing didn't come to him until he knew that Liam had started a band and went to see them that famous night at the Boardwalk. Something clicked on him that night, even if he had already a bunch of tunes up his sleeve. It would be stupid to deny that Oasis firstly appealed to me mainly because of Liam's attitude and way of delivering the masterpieces Noel wrote. It was the whole package, of course, Liam+Noel+songs, but - this is obviously hypothetical, frankly I don't think I would have gotten into Oasis (or any other Liaml-less band with Noel) if it wasn't for Liam. Liam was the one who had that edge, he was the 'blade' that captured my interest.
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Post by quantum on Dec 19, 2020 16:30:30 GMT -5
Don't think it would have gone anywhere as well as it did.
Basically they needed each other and they believed in each other (for a while)... and it all turned out well
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