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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Apr 25, 2020 15:47:59 GMT -5
What makes Oasis better or worse than other rock bands?
what worked in them? and what penalized them?
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Post by uboasis on Apr 25, 2020 17:58:56 GMT -5
I think what made them better was (no particular order)
1. Great singer with unique voice and a unique charisma 2. Great songwriter who wrote great melodies. 3. People were tired of grunge and Oasis was a breath of fresh air 4. Intrigue (They had a lot of drama which probably helped even though we don't want to admit, but even without the tabloid stuff being a double act is interesting). This is almost a separate post in itself 5. They had a specific type of versatility other bands didn't have. I remember within a week or two during DBTT promotion, Liam and Gem went on a TV show and represented Oasis by playing Guess God Thinks I'm Abel. Noel went on another program and promoted The Importance of Being Idle. It would have been possible to literally do this at the same time. How many current bands could pull that off? Most are really dominated by one singer but Oasis had two very distinctive voices fronting them.
What hurt them was
1. probably more self-destructive than other bands 2. Liam's live voice did drop off towards the end.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Apr 25, 2020 18:45:36 GMT -5
Better: • Awesome frontman with the right balance of vocal talent and cool attitude. • Balance of influences; they had the attitude of punk/rock n roll but also just enough musical ability to make sophisticated, Beatle-esque stuff sound convincing. • When the tunes were great, boy were they great. • Unlike many bands they were open about their love of older music rather than trying to reinvent the wheel. • Indie credibility and spirit due to working class upbringings. • Brought what was needed at the time after grunge - rock music that made people feel good.
Worse: • Arrogance that didn’t wash with everyone, lost them some respect. • Although the “good B-sides” thing did boost their credentials, they held back too many good songs on B-sides. Several singles have two or three great B-sides, some of which would have been better on albums. • Their own worst enemies - if anyone would ruin their careers, it’d be themselves with all the abandoned tours, fights etc. • Several songs ‘borrowing’ from others hurt their reputation. •The last few years of Oasis, Liam’s voice wasn’t the best live (although it’s improved since).
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Post by megyesitomate on Apr 25, 2020 18:54:30 GMT -5
What made the superior? The answer is Liam, Liam a million times.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Apr 26, 2020 4:42:18 GMT -5
yes, I perfectly agree with what each of you say!
I add another "technical" element that penalized them: from 2005 onwards their performances in the tv-shows (which reach a large audience) were mediocre ... from the persistent problems of voice of Liam and to the mix of their sounds that the tv shows don't they never knew how to operate. There they should have made it sound good to capture people's acclaim.
Many people relied only on that to evaluate a band and many of those performances were either in playback or live, but terrible.
I would add that the Oasis management never "pampered" us. For example: In this Quarantine many managers of various bands shared unpublished great concerts on youtube for fans, making a lot of publicity. The managemant of Oasis has always been very scarce (their quarrels were more universally distributed than their music). This is still the case today and this penalizes them a lot. Only Liam solo is dragging some "publicity" to Oasis today. Many people today are knowing and appreciating them more thanks to Liam.
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 27, 2020 14:04:33 GMT -5
Worse???
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Post by mattcox048 on Apr 29, 2020 9:17:57 GMT -5
One thing that I've noticed over the last few years is that general attitude in the 90s of "this is the best kind of music, all you need is three chords, like it or fuck off".
Whilst this helped to establish their music of the time, they also shot themselves in the foot with it.
The fans took this attitude to heart, and they've been struggling ever since to break out of this mould. It meant that all they would accept is exactly what they'd already been doing. It stunted any potential evolution. Anything outside a handful of influences wasn't good enough, they'd already found the "ultimate music", so how could it be?
Artists need to evolve, but they barely did, and people got bored after 1997.
Noel's finally broken this cycle over the last couple of years (like it or not), but Liam is still in that mode. I predict that this will hurt his solo career in the long run in the same way it did Oasis.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 29, 2020 10:00:39 GMT -5
Attichood, innit.
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Post by World71R on Apr 30, 2020 13:39:47 GMT -5
One thing that I've noticed over the last few years is that general attitude in the 90s of "this is the best kind of music, all you need is three chords, like it or fuck off". Whilst this helped to establish their music of the time, they also shot themselves in the foot with it. The fans took this attitude to heart, and they've been struggling ever since to break out of this mould. It meant that all they would accept is exactly what they'd already been doing. It stunted any potential evolution. Anything outside a handful of influences wasn't good enough, they'd already found the "ultimate music", so how could it be? Artists need to evolve, but they barely did, and people got bored after 1997.Noel's finally broken this cycle over the last couple of years (like it or not), but Liam is still in that mode. I predict that this will hurt his solo career in the long run in the same way it did Oasis. The problem was that Noel was so infatuated with chart success and also, when they did try something new, everything went to hell in a handbasket or the sessions fell apart. For example, SOTSOG (More of a trip-hop and electronica influence): Two key band members fall apart as Noel's kicking drugs and a divorce while he and Liam are falling out. DBTT: Death in Vegas sessions fall apart, back to basics. DOYS (Drop D riffs, more psychedelic and blues-influenced songs): Goes well until the end when Liam goes and gets married, leaving the album disjointed toward the end, and then Noel gets assaulted during the tour, with all this culminating in the band breaking up after, gee whiz, Noel and Liam fall out one last time. Noel pushed the band so much to stay in the limelight so just as soon as they put out a new album, they were touring, and then writing and recording for a new album, and repeat for about nine years. They tried hard to capitalize on what would bring them success to where they just got worn out, and any new ideas were tried but met with circumstances preventing them from fully fleshing out their experimentation or met with a changing dynamic in the band or in Noel or Liam's personal lives, so it was just a bad hand they were dealt but they could've played it better by taking more time between albums. Really, that's what cost the band a lot of their longevity in success post-MG. They didn't give themselves enough time to flesh out their ideas and just jumped into whatever was next whenever. Had they not done that, I think they would've executed BHN better and been more successful and patient with release, after coming out of the '90s.
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Post by bt95 on May 1, 2020 6:37:50 GMT -5
As said in Supersonic, what made them great is also what did for them in the end.
And that's why they're special.
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