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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Apr 24, 2020 13:19:22 GMT -5
You have ever thought about the various problems that Oasis had in live concerts in their post 2000 existence?
In my opinion, Liam's voice problems weren't the only problems in the band. The mix of instruments
on TV shows, official DVDs and live broadcasts (excellent for their promotion) was no longer that of the 90s...and also their live power.
Even their attitude had worsened: Noel was bored, Alan was no longer playing with the same energy of the 90s and had added those pre-recorded (annoying) drum loops that penalized their historic raw and "fresh" sound.
PS: In my opinion, the last good tour was in 2000.
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Post by jeffrey on Apr 24, 2020 13:38:17 GMT -5
You have ever thought about the various problems that Oasis had in live concerts in their post 2000 existence? In my opinion, Liam's voice problems weren't the only problems in the band. The mix of instruments was no longer that of the 90s: sometimes one of the two guitars was muted, other times the bass was muted, or the guitars were high and the voice was very low. On other occasions the general mix was bad (not only in radio / tv broadcasts where it was even worse, but also live). Even their attitude had worsened: Noel was bored, Alan was no longer playing with the same energy of the 90s and had added those pre-recorded (annoying) drum loops that penalized their historic raw and "fresh" sound.t penalized their historic raw and "fresh" sound. PS: In my opinion, the last good tour was in 2000. I think what you might describe as becoming worse a band is that a lot of the spirit of Oasis vanished with the departure of Bone and Guigs. They also hired two truly excellent musicians to join the band, so technically and sonically they were different, but I’d have to say as someone who seen this century’s version of Oasis many times, they were fucking lethal technically. The perfectionist side of Noel demanded they were as close to perfect as possible musically. As a side note, I was front row, center at their gig in the The Joint at The Hard Rock in Vegas (warm up gig for their Coachella show) and I’d defy you to have been there and tell me it wasn’t one of the greatest single events in your lifetime. Brandon Flowers of The Killers was there and credits it as the reason he put adverts in the newspaper seeking musicians to join a band. |
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Post by megyesitomate on Apr 24, 2020 13:54:32 GMT -5
I've never seen them live, but from recordings I'd say they sounded considerably more MASSIVE with the new line-up and that's decisive for me since I don't give two shits about the "true spirit of Oasis".
By the way, was Noel really bored on stage or was he just... more sober?
And was Alan really playing with less energy or is it just something that people tell themselves because they feel like the magic was gone after Guigsy and Bonehead left? Because I can't hear anything of it.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Apr 24, 2020 14:23:19 GMT -5
Despite having technically better musicians (Gem & Andy) the show, especially in the period 2002/2004 (but also later) had become much more "flat" and without
vivacity. In 2005 Liam's voice (besides being ruined) was very badly mixed, (see Manchester city Stadium 2005 dvd). I think the general work around the band in those years was badly done.
I repeat the last good tour (for me) was that of 2000.
they still knew exactly what they "meant", even if in a different way from the past ... but since 2002 they have had terrible moments on various levels
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Post by Parka Flames on Apr 24, 2020 15:00:21 GMT -5
You have ever thought about the various problems that Oasis had in live concerts in their post 2000 existence? In my opinion, Liam's voice problems weren't the only problems in the band. The mix of instruments was no longer that of the 90s: sometimes one of the two guitars was muted, other times the bass was muted, or the guitars were high and the voice was very low. On other occasions the general mix was bad (not only in radio / tv broadcasts where it was even worse, but also live). Even their attitude had worsened: Noel was bored, Alan was no longer playing with the same energy of the 90s and had added those pre-recorded (annoying) drum loops that penalized their historic raw and "fresh" sound. PS: In my opinion, the last good tour was in 2000. Is this based on attending concerts or watching gigs on YouTube? |
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Post by The Chief on Apr 24, 2020 15:21:43 GMT -5
You have ever thought about the various problems that Oasis had in live concerts in their post 2000 existence? In my opinion, Liam's voice problems weren't the only problems in the band. The mix of instruments was no longer that of the 90s: sometimes one of the two guitars was muted, other times the bass was muted, or the guitars were high and the voice was very low. On other occasions the general mix was bad (not only in radio / tv broadcasts where it was even worse, but also live). Even their attitude had worsened: Noel was bored, Alan was no longer playing with the same energy of the 90s and had added those pre-recorded (annoying) drum loops that penalized their historic raw and "fresh" sound. PS: In my opinion, the last good tour was in 2000. I also think Liam's voice is not the only issue they had. Alan's playing became stale but I think it's because he had tendinitis. His playing on Familiar to Millions for example is exactly the same thing on every song. But then they released Heathen Chemistry. Not much blazing tunes on there. Another huge problem was after Alan left. Zak used to play REALLY slow... like ridiculously slow. Acquiesce circa 2004-2005 is just boring... Acquiesce! Of all songs! So that also didn't help. Was Noel bored? No I don't think he was. Remember after Heathen Chemistry he had to change his microphone stand and he had to kind of lean strangely over the microphone. I think that's what made him look bored. Coupled with songs being played slower, the energy seemed lost. I don't really think it had anything to do with Gem or Andy honestly. But yes, the power wasn't there anymore. Listen to them on the Be Here Now tour and after, it was never the same. |
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Post by freddy838 on Apr 24, 2020 15:51:37 GMT -5
My biggest gripe other than Liam's voice and Zak's drumming was the set list. 2002 was the last great set list with a mix of stuff and some treats thrown in. I hated how Noel just ignored large parts of the band's work and then they stuck with the same songs for months on end. No wonder the band looked bored at times. That said the band sounded brilliant on the last tour with Chris added to it. Gem is great, Andy's bass playing is underrated imo (when he was given a decent bassline to play obviously). I just wish Liam had managed to do what he does now to get his voice right 15 years ago as really he is what makes an Oasis gig great.
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Post by Derrick on Apr 25, 2020 13:00:42 GMT -5
I hated how Noel just ignored large parts of the band's work and then they stuck with the same songs for months on end. Same for me, they played the same old songs from 2004 onwards. So disappointing that so many great songs were shelved. The acoustic mini-tour of 2006 with Gem supporting "Stop the clocks" was a welcome breath of fresh air in that regard. |
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Post by ournoel775 on Apr 25, 2020 15:04:49 GMT -5
I only saw Bone/Guigs once, but it was a good one...Chicago 98.
Milwaukee & Wembley second night in 2000. Wild time at Wembley
I remember Chicago 2001 & 2002 sounding awesome. Great setlist on HC tour.
DBTT tour Liam sounded not so great in Chicago / San Diego / Phoenix / Milwaukee.
Vegas 2008 at the end they looked disinterested. Saw Ricky Hatton & Russell Brand in crowd. Floor at the Pearl wasn’t even packed, so my last gig was from 20 feet center stage. Phenomenally drunk.
Band always sounded good and loud. Seemed to always take Liam two or so songs to find his tone/spot in the mix.
I think biggest takeaway from an Oasis/Liam gig was knowing that Liam would gesture madly to the soundman, no matter what. Newbies might’ve thought it was kicking off, but just normal stuff.
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Post by beentherenow on Apr 26, 2020 3:25:36 GMT -5
100% the setlist. In the seven times I saw Oasis live, the below songs were played every time! Add the extra 5/6 from the respective album the tour is from and you get a very predictable experience
Acquiesce
Don’t Look Back in Anger
Cigarettes and Alcohol
Morning Glory
Wonderwall
Champagne Supernova
Songbird
Don’t get me wrong most of the above are literally some of the greatest songs ever written but a bit more variety wouldn’t go amiss. Did all them have to be played at every gig?
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