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Post by tiger40 on Aug 16, 2021 12:36:50 GMT -5
Oh, I agree with you but I mentioned Noel because we know that in the past he has refused to let Liam release concerts on dvd so I don't hold much hope for this one if it's pro-recorded. And, nearly everything ends up on YouTube anyway. Is that just speculation because of what happened with As It Was, or has Liam mentioned plans to release concert dvds and has Noel refused? Well like Girllikeabomb said Liam is yet to release any of his solo concerts on dvd. But who knows he could release something in the future if Noel agrees to it.
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 16, 2021 12:39:45 GMT -5
Is that just speculation because of what happened with As It Was, or has Liam mentioned plans to release concert dvds and has Noel refused? I wouldn't be surprised if Liam's team avoids live DVDs altogether just to make sure they're on safe legal ground, I remember Charlie Lightening said that they had to basically re-edit As It Was after the legal threat came through so I highly doubt they'd risk any further problems. It's a shame though Maybe but it would be a shame if Liam does as it would be nice to have some dvd releases of some of his concerts.
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 16, 2021 12:42:27 GMT -5
Didn't Liam say on Twitter that he was going to do She's Electric? I can't remember if it was for the NHS gig though.
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Post by asithappens2018 on Aug 16, 2021 13:29:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Liam's team avoids live DVDs altogether just to make sure they're on safe legal ground, I remember Charlie Lightening said that they had to basically re-edit As It Was after the legal threat came through so I highly doubt they'd risk any further problems. It's a shame though Maybe but it would be a shame if Liam does as it would be nice to have some dvd releases of some of his concerts. not to disagree with everyone but we did get the oasis tunes on the mtv unplugged album.
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Post by Sadie on Aug 16, 2021 13:48:03 GMT -5
Maybe but it would be a shame if Liam does as it would be nice to have some dvd releases of some of his concerts. not to disagree with everyone but we did get the oasis tunes on the mtv unplugged album. That's the thing, when it comes to CD and TV broadcasts there's nothing that can legally stop them including Oasis songs but on DVD the rights are different for some reason, so while they could release a live album of the NHS gig they'd most likely not be able to release a DVD (hence why we don't have one for MTV Unplugged either)
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Aug 16, 2021 14:19:47 GMT -5
If Liam team decided to all royalties from blu-ray, CD etc go to NHS as charity, Noel might allow to use?
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 16, 2021 15:10:53 GMT -5
Didn't Liam say on Twitter that he was going to do She's Electric? I can't remember if it was for the NHS gig though. He pretty much says yes on twitter to any song that anyone asks about!
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 16, 2021 15:13:56 GMT -5
not to disagree with everyone but we did get the oasis tunes on the mtv unplugged album. That's the thing, when it comes to CD and TV broadcasts there's nothing that can legally stop them including Oasis songs but on DVD the rights are different for some reason, so while they could release a live album of the NHS gig they'd most likely not be able to release a DVD (hence why we don't have one for MTV Unplugged either) It's a mechanical license vs. a synchronization license -- a synchronization license covers all filmed entertainment and requires the songwriter's permission; a mechanical license for audio recordings does not (though royalties are of course paid.)
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Aug 16, 2021 15:53:08 GMT -5
That's the thing, when it comes to CD and TV broadcasts there's nothing that can legally stop them including Oasis songs but on DVD the rights are different for some reason, so while they could release a live album of the NHS gig they'd most likely not be able to release a DVD (hence why we don't have one for MTV Unplugged either) It's a mechanical license vs. a synchronization license -- a synchronization license covers all filmed entertainment and requires the songwriter's permission; a mechanical license for audio recordings does not (though royalties are of course paid.) I wondered the reasons why they can streamed Down By The River Thames and put Oasis tune from Unplugged on official youtube.
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Post by welshylad on Aug 16, 2021 16:17:01 GMT -5
Welshylad will be there, I hope he will record gig. I'll be recording, but just with a smartphone I'm not risking taking my equipment in, there is a lot of security / metal detectors etc. I have got through them before but not risking it tomorrow The recording might turn out utter shine, but hey ho.
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Post by asithappens2018 on Aug 16, 2021 16:32:42 GMT -5
Welshylad will be there, I hope he will record gig. I'll be recording, but just with a smartphone I'm not risking taking my equipment in, there is a lot of security / metal detectors etc. I have got through them before but not risking it tomorrow The recording might turn out utter shine, but hey ho. would still be good to have it welshylad, enjoy!!!
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Aug 16, 2021 16:34:03 GMT -5
Welshylad will be there, I hope he will record gig. I'll be recording, but just with a smartphone I'm not risking taking my equipment in, there is a lot of security / metal detectors etc. I have got through them before but not risking it tomorrow The recording might turn out utter shine, but hey ho. i'll be happy just to find out what the setlist is, have a good one tmorrow
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Post by Derrick on Aug 16, 2021 16:43:34 GMT -5
GLIO rehearsed. It’s essentially a warm up for R&L, so once the staples are in the set it doesn’t leave a lot of wriggle room. I wonder if Bonehead will be playing on "Go let it out". He plays on Oasis songs but this one's post-Bonehead Oasis...
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Post by asithappens2018 on Aug 16, 2021 17:19:26 GMT -5
GLIO rehearsed. It’s essentially a warm up for R&L, so once the staples are in the set it doesn’t leave a lot of wriggle room. I wonder if Bonehead will be playing on "Go let it out". He plays on Oasis songs but this one's post-Bonehead Oasis... they were recording giants when he and guigsy left and by all accounts went back and re-recorded the album to remove their parts plus bonehead played on gas panic! on the last tour.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 16, 2021 17:31:23 GMT -5
It's a mechanical license vs. a synchronization license -- a synchronization license covers all filmed entertainment and requires the songwriter's permission; a mechanical license for audio recordings does not (though royalties are of course paid.) I wondered the reasons why they can streamed Down By The River Thames and put Oasis tune from Unplugged on official youtube. It's a great question, and a big disclaimer: I’m definitely not a lawyer and am familiar mainly with music rights for movies and only a bit. It does get tricky but a few things maybe worth mentioning ... One is that there is something called “ephemeral use,” which pretty much means a one-time performance can be filmed and broadcast a single time without a sync license. In other words, if a news crew goes tomorrow night and films Liam playing Go Let It Out at the NHS concert, they can air that without any sync license. But they can’t put it on a DVD and sell it for repeated viewing without one. Another is that the sync license is between two parties and there can be many different types of deals with different terms. So Noel can be happy to have a sync license deal with MTV but say no to one with a production company associated with Liam. (Definitely not saying he has or hasn't, don’t know other than in the one case, but he can license to one and not the other if he so chooses. As the publishing owner, he's all powerful in that regard, that's the one thing I know for sure... ) And of course YouTube is a bit of the Wild West still and lots of stuff gets on there without having rights cleared. That said, there are definitely a couple of official MTV Unplugged videos so I assume those were properly licensed, though we'll never know any specifics probably. It may also be that Noel is willing to give a sync license for the Oasis songs under certain terms that Liam (and his reps and partners) do not agree to ... or that they do agree to now... and he just is waiting before doing any DVD releases for other timing/strategy reasons. All we can know for sure is that if there is a release, then Noel gave permission for the use ...
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 16, 2021 17:55:58 GMT -5
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Post by asithappens2018 on Aug 16, 2021 18:10:18 GMT -5
I wondered the reasons why they can streamed Down By The River Thames and put Oasis tune from Unplugged on official youtube. It's a great question, and a big disclaimer: I’m definitely not a lawyer and am familiar mainly with music rights for movies and only a bit. It does get tricky but a few things maybe worth mentioning ... One is that there is something called “ephemeral use,” which pretty much means a one-time performance can be filmed and broadcast a single time without a sync license. In other words, if a news crew goes tomorrow night and films Liam playing Go Let It Out at the NHS concert, they can air that without any sync license. But they can’t put it on a DVD and sell it for repeated viewing without one. Another is that the sync license is between two parties and there can be many different types of deals with different terms. So Noel can be happy to have a sync license deal with MTV but say no to one with a production company associated with Liam. (Definitely not saying he has or hasn't, don’t know other than in the one case, but he can license to one and not the other if he so chooses. As the publishing owner, he's all powerful in that regard, that's the one thing I know for sure... ) And of course YouTube is a bit of the Wild West still and lots of stuff gets on there without having rights cleared. That said, there are definitely a couple of official MTV Unplugged videos so I assume those were properly licensed, though we'll never know any specifics probably. It may also be that Noel is willing to give a sync license for the Oasis songs under certain terms that Liam (and his reps and partners) do not agree to ... or that they do agree to now... and he just is waiting before doing any DVD releases for other timing/strategy reasons. All we can know for sure is that if there is a release, then Noel gave permission for the use ... I hear ya but we’ve also had cast no shadow and sad song (if I’m not mistaken) on the acoustic sessions ep. But back to my original post, hopefully it will appear on radio, tv or streaming at some point. Failing that we should get iplayer coverage of 2 festival headliners on iplayer and iow on sky, at least that is the usual.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 16, 2021 18:22:06 GMT -5
I hear ya but we’ve also had cast no shadow and sad song (if I’m not mistaken) on the acoustic sessions ep. No, this has not got anything to do with the Acoustic Sessions. That one has no issues. An audio recording does not require a sync license at all, You can go out and record a cover of any song you like while only paying for the mechanical license. And you can play any cover songs live too so long as the venue you're playing in is paying its license fees. It is only for FILMED entertainment (or technically a song that is synchronized to another medium such as film) that you need the express permission of the publishing owner (the songwriter in most cases.) So it's only for DVDs and movies that this is an issue.
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Aug 16, 2021 18:33:40 GMT -5
Welshylad will be there, I hope he will record gig. I'll be recording, but just with a smartphone I'm not risking taking my equipment in, there is a lot of security / metal detectors etc. I have got through them before but not risking it tomorrow The recording might turn out utter shine, but hey ho. I'm not sure will you use what recording app(I hope can record in PCM) and built-in mic or external mic with smartphone. I can say be careful recording level and security, enjoy gig!
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Post by bestwick8 on Aug 16, 2021 19:04:03 GMT -5
GLIO rehearsed. It’s essentially a warm up for R&L, so once the staples are in the set it doesn’t leave a lot of wriggle room. R&L ?
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Post by bestwick8 on Aug 16, 2021 19:09:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Liam's team avoids live DVDs altogether just to make sure they're on safe legal ground, I remember Charlie Lightening said that they had to basically re-edit As It Was after the legal threat came through so I highly doubt they'd risk any further problems. It's a shame though There's no mystery as to what would make it legal.. They just need Noel's express permission for songs he wrote. So either he gives it or he doesn't, and if he doesn't it's a dead end. (Though like any legal permissions, there can be negotiated terms for him giving it.) I think in the case of the doc, they assumed it could be worked out (quite often these things can in the end) and were kind of blindsided when it didn't. Thus, the re-editing and loss of Liam performances from the film. That leaked into the press, but don't think it's been mentioned again since. Probably for the wisest, since these things can change over time. Of course Noel was going to block As it was ! He wasnt going to support a documentary that was bashing him and making him look like the villain. Noel did agree for BE to use Wonderwall for the olympics... My guess is Noel isn't the reason River Thames is not being released
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Post by oasiscam29 on Aug 16, 2021 19:22:08 GMT -5
Maybe Down the track we will get River Thames when the Dust Settles from Knebworth
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Post by bestwick8 on Aug 16, 2021 20:47:12 GMT -5
Maybe Down the track we will get River Thames when the Dust Settles from Knebworth I was hoping for a 1 year later release as well, but looking unlikely with the new Knebworth coming out
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Post by Manualex on Aug 16, 2021 21:30:49 GMT -5
GLIO rehearsed. It’s essentially a warm up for R&L, so once the staples are in the set it doesn’t leave a lot of wriggle room. R&L ? Reading and Leeds
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Post by leron on Aug 17, 2021 1:34:18 GMT -5
Kinda hyped for this It would be great to have a new song for this round of gigs while we wait for the new album
Liam joining primal scream for rocks would be great too
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