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Post by freddy838 on Feb 24, 2020 1:01:31 GMT -5
When Noel barely gave any of his own songs to Liam to sing.
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Post by welshylad on Feb 24, 2020 3:43:06 GMT -5
For me it was probably after the Heathen Chemistry tour after Alan left. He was a big part of the band and lived through the glory days of Oasis and the band usually follow the drummer when they are playing so he set the tone really. The band never sounded the same for me after that tour Absolutely spot on mate, couldn't agree more |
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Post by modxxii on Feb 24, 2020 3:49:03 GMT -5
As a fan: never. I loved every record they did. Maybe I wasnt a proper fan of the last one... but now I like it a lot.
As a band I think their decline started when Noel decided to be "more than a songwriter and the occasional frontman".
Legit choice, obviously.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Feb 24, 2020 6:47:55 GMT -5
Well, i didnt become a fan til 2002. But i figured theyd previously been bigger quite fast, as i remember i used to ask relatives/neighbours about oasis and theyd all say “yeah, they were everywhere a few years ago”. Oh, and they all owned WTSMG 😂
It was only as i grew up that i began to fully realise what i missed out on.
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Post by The Chief on Feb 24, 2020 13:09:04 GMT -5
Between the time I got bored of Be Here Now, a little before The Masterplan came out (which was superior to Be Here Now), the departure of Bonehead and Guigs and the release of Go Let It Out. Not knocking Go Let It Out, just saying I, like many people, knew that the glory days were over. And alas it was never the same after... Oasis MKII was good but should have gone under a different name.
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 24, 2020 13:17:10 GMT -5
Between the time I got bored of Be Here Now, a little before The Masterplan came out (which was superior to Be Here Now), the departure of Bonehead and Guigs and the release of Go Let It Out. Not knocking Go Let It Out, just saying I, like many people, knew that the glory days were over. And alas it was never the same after... Oasis MKII was good but should have gone under a different name. Noel, the main songwriter, occasional lead vocalist, lead guitarist, and backing vocalist remained. Liam, the lead vocalist, frontman, and occasional song writer remained. In other words, the most important creative forces remained in the band. Why on God's green earth would they change their name? I could understand if Noel or Liam left, but Bonehead and Guigs didn't contribute nearly as much to the sound of the band as people would like to admit. I don't get the notion that a creative change bares ground for a name change. 'Oasis MKII" were still Oasis just as much as the band that released DM, MG, and BHN. They were right up until 2009. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Feb 24, 2020 15:10:49 GMT -5
Between the time I got bored of Be Here Now, a little before The Masterplan came out (which was superior to Be Here Now), the departure of Bonehead and Guigs and the release of Go Let It Out. Not knocking Go Let It Out, just saying I, like many people, knew that the glory days were over. And alas it was never the same after... Oasis MKII was good but should have gone under a different name. Noel, the main songwriter, occasional lead vocalist, lead guitarist, and backing vocalist remained. Liam, the lead vocalist, frontman, and occasional song writer remained. In other words, the most important creative forces remained in the band. Why on God's green earth would they change their name? I could understand if Noel or Liam left, but Bonehead and Guigs didn't contribute nearly as much to the sound of the band as people would like to admit. I don't get the notion that a creative change bares ground for a name change. 'Oasis MKII" were still Oasis just as much as the band that released DM, MG, and BHN. They were right up until 2009.Yes in the head, not in the heart. |
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Post by oasisunited on Feb 24, 2020 15:27:01 GMT -5
Noel, the main songwriter, occasional lead vocalist, lead guitarist, and backing vocalist remained. Liam, the lead vocalist, frontman, and occasional song writer remained. In other words, the most important creative forces remained in the band. Why on God's green earth would they change their name? I could understand if Noel or Liam left, but Bonehead and Guigs didn't contribute nearly as much to the sound of the band as people would like to admit. I don't get the notion that a creative change bares ground for a name change. 'Oasis MKII" were still Oasis just as much as the band that released DM, MG, and BHN. They were right up until 2009.Yes in the head, not in the heart. I think that Noel was trying to tell us as much with the logo change prior to the release of SOTSOG ("It's never gonna be the same..."). |
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Post by The Chief on Feb 24, 2020 16:58:13 GMT -5
Between the time I got bored of Be Here Now, a little before The Masterplan came out (which was superior to Be Here Now), the departure of Bonehead and Guigs and the release of Go Let It Out. Not knocking Go Let It Out, just saying I, like many people, knew that the glory days were over. And alas it was never the same after... Oasis MKII was good but should have gone under a different name. Noel, the main songwriter, occasional lead vocalist, lead guitarist, and backing vocalist remained. Liam, the lead vocalist, frontman, and occasional song writer remained. In other words, the most important creative forces remained in the band. Why on God's green earth would they change their name? I could understand if Noel or Liam left, but Bonehead and Guigs didn't contribute nearly as much to the sound of the band as people would like to admit. I don't get the notion that a creative change bares ground for a name change. 'Oasis MKII" were still Oasis just as much as the band that released DM, MG, and BHN. They were right up until 2009. Well first up, I want to point out that I'm not putting Oasis MKII down. They were just different. And yes, they were different. Not just because they changed lineups but Noel wasn't writing the same music. Oasis 91-99 was a loud, in your face, fuck the world rock band. That changed because they've grown up and that's OK. I get what you mean but I highly disagree. Put now Noel with Liam together and if they're singing Black Star Dancing, they're not Oasis, for me anyway. |
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Post by globe on Feb 24, 2020 17:27:39 GMT -5
Between the time I got bored of Be Here Now, a little before The Masterplan came out (which was superior to Be Here Now), the departure of Bonehead and Guigs and the release of Go Let It Out. Not knocking Go Let It Out, just saying I, like many people, knew that the glory days were over. And alas it was never the same after... Oasis MKII was good but should have gone under a different name. Noel, the main songwriter, occasional lead vocalist, lead guitarist, and backing vocalist remained. Liam, the lead vocalist, frontman, and occasional song writer remained. In other words, the most important creative forces remained in the band. Why on God's green earth would they change their name? I could understand if Noel or Liam left, but Bonehead and Guigs didn't contribute nearly as much to the sound of the band as people would like to admit. I don't get the notion that a creative change bares ground for a name change. 'Oasis MKII" were still Oasis just as much as the band that released DM, MG, and BHN. They were right up until 2009. Awa you go. The sound completely changed when Bonehead and Guigs left - take it you didn’t see them live 94-99? The sound and vibe weren’t the same and they weren’t the same gang of lads that had dossed about in transit vans from day one building that camaraderie. It just wasn’t the same. Still good, aye, but not the real Oasis. |
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 24, 2020 17:31:54 GMT -5
Noel, the main songwriter, occasional lead vocalist, lead guitarist, and backing vocalist remained. Liam, the lead vocalist, frontman, and occasional song writer remained. In other words, the most important creative forces remained in the band. Why on God's green earth would they change their name? I could understand if Noel or Liam left, but Bonehead and Guigs didn't contribute nearly as much to the sound of the band as people would like to admit. I don't get the notion that a creative change bares ground for a name change. 'Oasis MKII" were still Oasis just as much as the band that released DM, MG, and BHN. They were right up until 2009. Awa you go. The sound completely changed when Bonehead and Guigs left - take it you didn’t see them live 94-99? The sound and vibe weren’t the same and they weren’t the same gang of lads that had dossed about in transit vans from day one building that camaraderie. It just wasn’t the same. Still good, aye, but not the real Oasis. People age and mature. Of course it wasn't the same, but it was still the same band, they just changed a little. Bands can progress without becoming a different band. |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 24, 2020 18:35:23 GMT -5
I've said it before: the soul of Oasis died the morning Noel woke up in '98 and rightly realised he had to get sober.
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Post by freek on Feb 25, 2020 5:30:05 GMT -5
With sotsog not being a huge succes. I still remained a fan and kept hoping the glory days would return, especially in 2005 and 2008, but they weren't as before. Sotsog had its moments, like Gas Panic!, but was not the oasis full of self-confidence and bravoure I liked. To me, sotsog was an album full of weeping and anger which suited their situation, but wasn't as appealing as in the 90's.
In hindsight, I also see the 00's as less compatible with oasis, with much more negativity, like 9/11 and the economic crisis. Western self-conference during the 90's was perfectly reflected in the attitude and lyrics of Oasis back then. I can't name any other artist who was able to do that, though I like lots of 90's bands, like Radiohead, R.E.M. and Metallica.
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Post by The Chief on Feb 25, 2020 6:37:14 GMT -5
Awa you go. The sound completely changed when Bonehead and Guigs left - take it you didn’t see them live 94-99? The sound and vibe weren’t the same and they weren’t the same gang of lads that had dossed about in transit vans from day one building that camaraderie. It just wasn’t the same. Still good, aye, but not the real Oasis. People age and mature. Of course it wasn't the same, but it was still the same band, they just changed a little. Bands can progress without becoming a different band. Yes, if you're Radiohead, or Coldplay or U2. Oasis was more than a band. They were the icons of an era, a context, a moment in time, the co-called "Britpop" era, which ended after Be Here Now. After that, Bonehead (which was an important part in the sound of Oasis in the 90's) and Guigsy left, the music changed, the attitude changed and a new era rose. That's even why they changed the logo as oasisunited said. So after that, to me anyway, they werent the same band. They were in a way like New Order, Audioslave, etc... |
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Post by nutsngum on Feb 27, 2020 10:30:46 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry.
I'd been absolutely Oasis-mad 1999-2002 and was getting very little returns, but thought with this new lineup, they'd be inspired to put out a good record.
Instead we got that. It confirmed their status as being a mainly touring band who would play the old stuff to please the crowd and release an album to coincide with the tour.
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