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Post by Zingbot on Jan 3, 2020 11:00:50 GMT -5
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Post by megyesitomate on Jan 3, 2020 11:10:47 GMT -5
I don't know, I just think - although I believe Oasis was and remains to this day great - they could've been a million times better and bigger. They had the material to be even more successful but they fucked it all up by putting the wrong songs on the albums and by producing those songs to be quite often just bland, not only compared to their live versions but on their own as well.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 3, 2020 11:17:02 GMT -5
I can understand that opinion, especially of the later albums. I mean, how much on HC is really that good?
Like it or not, many of the Liam/Andy/Gem tunes should have been reserved for bonus tracks. If Noel didn't have enough material for a full album, they should have not put one out.
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Post by Flashbax on Jan 3, 2020 11:31:04 GMT -5
Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory are great, after those two albums they were a 6/10.
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Post by mancraider on Jan 3, 2020 12:30:53 GMT -5
Cant disagree with most of that tbh. From 97 onwards, there were better bands than Oasis. I thought they were still great as personalities but the music was at best patchy and anticipating new albums became an exercise in hope over experience.
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 3, 2020 12:35:42 GMT -5
DM- Great
MG- Better than Great
BHN- Bad
SOTSOG- Better than great
HC- Biblical
DBTT- Fine
DOYS- Meh
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 3, 2020 12:38:16 GMT -5
DM - 9/10
MG - 10/10
BHN - 7/10
SOTSOG - 7/10
HC - 5/10
DBTT - 6/10
DOYS - 6/10
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 3, 2020 12:44:26 GMT -5
MG, DM, Sotsog, and HC are really good.
BHN is really poor.
DOYS and DBTT are just Ok. Could be good with setlist alterations.
Oasis after 2002 became pretty mediocre in just about every way. I feel bad for those who dislike HC and Sotsog.
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 3, 2020 12:46:00 GMT -5
DM- 9/10
MG- 10/10
BHN- 5/10
Sotsog- 9/10
HC- 10/10
DBTT- 6/10
DOYs- 6/10
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Post by megyesitomate on Jan 3, 2020 13:17:07 GMT -5
DM- 6/10
MG- 7/10
BHN- 7/10
SOTSOG- 6/10
HC- 8/10
DBTT- 6/10
DOYS- 9/10
DM has got great-great songs but the production just makes them boring.
DOYS for me is so well put together and so "cohesive" that I listen to it in its entirety on a weekly basis.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 3, 2020 13:17:08 GMT -5
I dislike the muddy production on HC. Makes it feel dated.
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Post by mouth on Jan 3, 2020 13:22:13 GMT -5
DM - 10/10
MG - 10/10
Masterplan - 10/10
BHN - 10/10
SOTSOG - 10/10
HC - 6.5/10
DBTT - 6.5/10
DOYS - 7/10
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 3, 2020 13:43:25 GMT -5
I dislike the muddy production on HC. Makes it feel dated. I agree. I think the songs themselves are great though. |
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Post by russiangenius on Jan 3, 2020 13:43:32 GMT -5
lol people turned this thread into rating shit ahaha
in essence Oasis were huge till last day in Paris
if it wasn't so why Oasis got stadiums being sold out? And they WERE biggest band in the world... at least for a year and a half. But Oasis were top band from 1994 to 2009, that's a fact
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 3, 2020 13:54:15 GMT -5
Meh. They were never the biggest band in the world. They were just big. They were the biggest band in the UK, no doubt. Not the whole world. They didn't have too many hits in the US and Canada.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 3, 2020 14:17:04 GMT -5
lol people turned this thread into rating shit ahaha in essence Oasis were huge till last day in Paris if it wasn't so why Oasis got stadiums being sold out? And they WERE biggest band in the world... at least for a year and a half. But Oasis were top band from 1994 to 2009, that's a fact Why did people show up though? Were they showing up for the new songs, or for the songs that made Oasis huge in the first place? Know what I mean. We see the same thing in the live Beady Eye/Liam/Noel gigs. People aren't chanting for them to play The Hindu Times or Stop Crying Your Heart Out or The Importance of Being Idle. People are chanting for Morning Glory and Don't Look Back in Anger.
And arguably, those songs may be the majority of the reason people go to the gigs. Notice that they are often some of the first tunes put up on YouTube or posted here. The actual solo material plays second fiddle usually.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 3, 2020 14:50:59 GMT -5
DM- 6/10 MG- 7/10 BHN- 7/10 SOTSOG- 6/10 HC- 8/10 DBTT- 6/10 DOYS- 9/10 DM has got great-great songs but the production just makes them boring. DOYS for me is so well put together and so "cohesive" that I listen to it in its entirety on a weekly basis. Post of the year already. Congrats. |
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Post by vera000 on Jan 3, 2020 14:55:27 GMT -5
DM 10/10
WTSMG 10/10
BHN 10/10
Masterplan 10/10
SOTSOG 8/10
HC 8/10
DBTT 6/10
DOYS 5/10
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 3, 2020 14:58:59 GMT -5
DM 10/10 WTSMG 10/10 BHN 10/10 Masterplan 10/10 SOTSOG 8/10 HC 8/10 DBTT 6/10 DOYS 5/10 Just a tiny bit too positive. |
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Post by LlAM on Jan 3, 2020 16:09:30 GMT -5
I think Oasis post 1997 milked what they could out of there singles and material in general.
What's the point of putting 11 awesome tracks on an album when you can have say 2-3 great singles and fill the rest up with mediocre filler and still get the job done?
This way they had an excuse to tour (which is where the big money is) and all the members in the band got songs on albums to get royalties.
Noel wasn't making wrong choices with the album tracklists - he was spreading his assets.
Oasis post 1997 was calculated business.
It was better for them to fill stadiums than have a great track 8 on a relatively obscure album.
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 3, 2020 16:15:43 GMT -5
I'd say post 2002, HC and sotsog are all around good albums. Every track on BHN was filler.
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 3, 2020 16:57:46 GMT -5
I'd say up until SOTSOG they were truly a great band, even SOTSOG with its faults still a great listening with the band carving out for new sounds.
Then after that something was missing, the band just wasn't the same anymore, they became a brand, they still wrote great songs but not great albums.
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 3, 2020 17:53:59 GMT -5
HC is a great album.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 18:09:25 GMT -5
Yeah, that was only the 6th time you stated that in this (pretty unrelated) topic alone
But thanks for letting us know.
What was your opinion about BHN again?
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 3, 2020 18:23:13 GMT -5
None of us know what the band (AKA Noel) was truly thinking but there did seem to be a "That'll Do" attitude to many Oasis albums. I think Noel didn't really have the ambition after reaching the height the band did after Morning Glory and it shows, particularly post SOTSOG.
I always find Noel's take on the post MG albums interesting as they don't always seem to line up with what is commonly thought on here. It'd be nice to read more quotes on them (the Be Here Now stuff is the only stuff that is really sticking with me right now) but as I remember he sums them up something like this (feel free to correct me or add to it):
Be Here Now: A real missed opportunity. He didn't feel like he understood that he was following up a classic 1-2 and the expectations that came with it. A fair chunk of the material ('Don't Go Away', 'Stand By Me', 'All Around The World'...) was outtakes from the last two records that at the time he believed to be better than the stuff he was throwing away as b-sides, something he now regrets. Some of the other material was recycled old stuff knocked into shape and simply isn't very good. 'D'You Know What I Mean?' is the stand out good track. The mix on the album is shocking. Some of the decisions he made (track lengths, overdubs, ect.) were really poor.
Standing On The Shoulder of Giants: The best sounding record with the worst selection of tracks. He was trying to give the band a new sound but struggled with the songwriting process. Hates 'Sunday Morning Call' and thinks 'Let's All Make Believe' is underrated.
Heathen Chemistry: The band hitting the reset button. Contains some really great songs like 'Little By Little' and 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out'. Thinks 'She Is Love' and 'Idler's Dream' are underrated.
Don't Believe The Truth: Contains some more great songs like 'The Importance of Being Idle' and 'Lyla' with the former being one of his best. Thinks 'Part of the Queue' is underrated.
Dig Out Your Soul: A return to the bands bigger sound. He strongly rates 'Falling Down' as the bands final single. Admits that the album would have been better with 'Come On Outside' and 'Record Machine' but solely blames Liam for them not getting finished.
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