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Post by rockrevival on Nov 22, 2019 20:06:48 GMT -5
Come on, guys..the song's bad and super bland. He's the guy that wrote Talk tonight and Dead in the water. It's not even in the same league as If I had a gun. The truth is, Noel's a mediocre songwriter now and he's been one for the last 20 years. He wrote only a handful of good songs since 2000. Even in Oasis he only had like 15-20 good songs. We overestimate the Gallaghers just 'cause we're on an Oasis forum. The first 2 records were really good and important, culturally speaking. Everything after that was just blind hype. Oasis has been dead since 1998. Noel gave us shit songs and Liam gave us shit vocals. That's been the constant for the past 20 years. Let's be real. What's sad is that we'll like whatever they'll put out just cause they released Definitely Maybe in '94. Just let people enjoy the music they like. People like what they like, I don't argue with that.
I'm just not into blindly following someone 'cause they released good music 25 years ago. Oasis fans are stuck in the past. If it wasn't for Live Forever, nobody would've cared for Wandering Star. And that's the problem with this new song. It doesn't exist outside of Noel's legacy. It's as bland as it can be.
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Post by rockrevival on Nov 22, 2019 20:14:55 GMT -5
I know I may sound harsh, but it is what it is. If you want some "cosmic pop" listen to Lonerism or Currents and if you want "authentic" and "sincere" music listen to some Elliott Smith. Noel and Liam are just shadows of their former selves.
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Post by underneaththesky on Nov 22, 2019 22:46:22 GMT -5
what a tune top performance
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Post by themanwithnoname on Nov 23, 2019 2:38:36 GMT -5
Why are you still here then?! What kind of question is that? It's pretty obvious why I'm on this forum : because I enjoy Oasis. But that doesn't mean I'll blindly worship Oasis(or Noel\Liam) as the second coming. If DM and WTSMG are 8.5 - 9.0, then everything they put after that is 4-5. Yeah, Noel's been bland just like Liam's been bland both in Beady Eye and in his solo endeavour. You can still enjoy their songs. It doesn't mean they're good. If the standard for comparison is Live Forever..then most of their new songs are shit. And I think most of you can agree. It's all just nostalgia. And it works. I'm not mad about it. I just see as it is. If I thought every song was a bland 4 or 5 out of 10 I’d have given up listening a long time ago.
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 23, 2019 2:42:12 GMT -5
What kind of question is that? It's pretty obvious why I'm on this forum : because I enjoy Oasis. But that doesn't mean I'll blindly worship Oasis(or Noel\Liam) as the second coming. If DM and WTSMG are 8.5 - 9.0, then everything they put after that is 4-5. Yeah, Noel's been bland just like Liam's been bland both in Beady Eye and in his solo endeavour. You can still enjoy their songs. It doesn't mean they're good. If the standard for comparison is Live Forever..then most of their new songs are shit. And I think most of you can agree. It's all just nostalgia. And it works. I'm not mad about it. I just see as it is. If I thought every song was a bland 4 or 5 out of 10 I’d have given up listening a long time ago. Ya, If I thought they'd been bland since 98', I wouldn't be on this forum.
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 23, 2019 2:44:42 GMT -5
Like if I hadn't voted for a Democrat since 67', I wouldn't be registered as a Democrat. It's just human nature.
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Post by modxxii on Nov 23, 2019 2:59:08 GMT -5
Come on, guys..the song's bad and super bland. He's the guy that wrote Talk tonight and Dead in the water. It's not even in the same league as If I had a gun. The truth is, Noel's a mediocre songwriter now and he's been one for the last 20 years. He wrote only a handful of good songs since 2000. Even in Oasis he only had like 15-20 good songs. We overestimate the Gallaghers just 'cause we're on an Oasis forum. The first 2 records were really good and important, culturally speaking. Everything after that was just blind hype. Oasis has been dead since 1998. Noel gave us shit songs and Liam gave us shit vocals. That's been the constant for the past 20 years. Let's be real. What's sad is that we'll like whatever they'll put out just cause they released Definitely Maybe in '94. Speak for yourself. I think who built the moon (his best solo efford tbh) and WMWN are great album.
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 23, 2019 3:38:26 GMT -5
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Post by drummert5 on Nov 23, 2019 13:15:10 GMT -5
Had seen Wandering Star already but just catching up on This is The Place and Black Star Dancing. For a song so driven by keyboards and drum machines, Noel really makes TITP rock live. A bit like Go Let It Out in 2000 in that respect.
On the Pumpkins tour he was playing TITP on his ES 355, he seems to have switched to his The Edge signature Strat (modified, as he mentioned in an interview a few weeks ago, to scrape off Edge's signature). I wasn't a huge fan of the guitar sound (or indeed the guitar playing) on the TITP solo on Jools... but I think this is his first song post Chasing Yesterday with a live Noel solo at all, so that's nice to see.
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Post by mouth on Nov 23, 2019 15:14:29 GMT -5
Why are you still here then?! What kind of question is that? It's pretty obvious why I'm on this forum : because I enjoy Oasis. But that doesn't mean I'll blindly worship Oasis(or Noel\Liam) as the second coming. If DM and WTSMG are 8.5 - 9.0, then everything they put after that is 4-5. Yeah, Noel's been bland just like Liam's been bland both in Beady Eye and in his solo endeavour. You can still enjoy their songs. It doesn't mean they're good. If the standard for comparison is Live Forever..then most of their new songs are shit. And I think most of you can agree. It's all just nostalgia. And it works. I'm not mad about it. I just see as it is. alone on the rope while the song remains the same your argument is invalid.
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Post by Bellboy on Nov 23, 2019 17:05:13 GMT -5
This Is The Place was awsome. Best of the 3 live IMO.
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Post by rockrevival on Nov 23, 2019 18:34:37 GMT -5
What kind of question is that? It's pretty obvious why I'm on this forum : because I enjoy Oasis. But that doesn't mean I'll blindly worship Oasis(or Noel\Liam) as the second coming. If DM and WTSMG are 8.5 - 9.0, then everything they put after that is 4-5. Yeah, Noel's been bland just like Liam's been bland both in Beady Eye and in his solo endeavour. You can still enjoy their songs. It doesn't mean they're good. If the standard for comparison is Live Forever..then most of their new songs are shit. And I think most of you can agree. It's all just nostalgia. And it works. I'm not mad about it. I just see as it is. alone on the rope while the song remains the same your argument is invalid. In my initial comment I said this "He wrote only a handful of good songs since 2000" And I do agree with you. Those 2 make the list of the few good ones. Alone on the rope is my favourite Noel solo song. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'll end it with this: the music he wrote in the 90s had that universal aestethic that can only be expressed through 'art'. Live forever is a song of immense beauty and it's that aestethic that sets it apart form other songs from that decade.
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Post by mouth on Nov 24, 2019 6:39:53 GMT -5
alone on the rope while the song remains the same your argument is invalid. In my initial comment I said this "He wrote only a handful of good songs since 2000" And I do agree with you. Those 2 make the list of the few good ones. Alone on the rope is my favourite Noel solo song. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'll end it with this: the music he wrote in the 90s had that universal aestethic that can only be expressed through 'art'. Live forever is a song of immense beauty and it's that aestethic that sets it apart form other songs from that decade. i agree with you that it's ridiculous if people believe that e.g. once is as good as any oasis song from their prime. if they rate it 10/10, they're basically saying that it's as good as the likes of live forever, champagne supernova, slide away etc., which is a complete joke. it's not even close to be as good. and i also agree, that the latter oasis years were not as good as the early ones. again, not even close. what i don't agree is, that only the first 2 albums were actually good. to me, personally, the first 4 albums + masterplan i rate 10/10. after that, the the quality dropped, but i still enjoyed most of what they have released. they released still some songs, that i would consider oasis classics, but they also had some true stinkers. noel's solo efforts, i've also enjoyed a lot. in perspective, it's not as good as his early oasis years, of course, but he put out some good, very good and even classics. liam on the other hand... beady eye was a total disaster. there were a few songs i liked, but the majority was just rubbish. they couldn't write a chorus to save their lives. his first solo album was equally bad. his second, i definitely enjoy more, but put into the oasis context, it's a collection of bsides, which wouldn't have been used in the early years, but could very well have been used for oasis mk2.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Nov 25, 2019 4:41:55 GMT -5
The HFBs are the best band any Gallagher has ever had. It's amazing how they can play songs like TITP live with apparently no effort, and be close to better the studio version.
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Post by martinpaul on Nov 26, 2019 11:44:23 GMT -5
Why is everyone ignoring the necklace over the black top look? Jesus. His mid life crisis is dragging on
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Post by spaneli on Nov 26, 2019 11:58:41 GMT -5
Why is everyone ignoring the necklace over the black top look? Jesus. His mid life crisis is dragging on I believe he said the necklace was a gift from one of his sons.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 26, 2019 12:47:53 GMT -5
I wish my midlife crisis matches what Noel’s been doing.
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Post by Derrick on Nov 26, 2019 15:43:28 GMT -5
I wish my midlife crisis matches what Noel’s been doing. I still wouldn't dig "This is the place" if it was coming from you instead of Noel.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 26, 2019 16:03:32 GMT -5
I wish my midlife crisis matches what Noel’s been doing. I still wouldn't dig "This is the place" if it was coming from you instead of Noel. I got moves like Bobby Gillespie.
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 26, 2019 17:00:09 GMT -5
I still wouldn't dig "This is the place" if it was coming from you instead of Noel. I got moves like Bobby Gillespie. Get Mani next to you for me.
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Post by rnrs001 on Nov 27, 2019 2:10:47 GMT -5
I just couldn't make it to the end of the song. It sounds like a leftover from the Chasing Yesterday sessions and does nothing to me.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Nov 28, 2019 0:28:07 GMT -5
I know I may sound harsh, but it is what it is. If you want some "cosmic pop" listen to Lonerism or Currents and if you want "authentic" and "sincere" music listen to some Elliott Smith. Noel and Liam are just shadows of their former selves. and as he faced the sun he....... All artists have their peak, it doesn't stop their later work being good. The Beatles were never as good after the 60s, Neil Young after the '70s. You used a song that is 2 years old as an example of Noel's great songwriting ability. He's still got lots of great songs in him and Liam's album is the best thing he's made in 15 years. S
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Post by martinpaul on Nov 29, 2019 9:04:04 GMT -5
Why is everyone ignoring the necklace over the black top look? Jesus. His mid life crisis is dragging on I believe he said the necklace was a gift from one of his sons. Did they also insist that he wears it on top of his clothing? I've bought my dad a necklace and had necklaces bought for me by my son. Both worn below clothes. But then I'm a normal middle aged man - not one going through an identity and mid life crisis simultaneously
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Post by carlober on Nov 29, 2019 15:50:08 GMT -5
Jeez. It's a necklace.
Some people should stop looking for insignificant things to be annoyed about.
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Post by mossy on Nov 29, 2019 18:50:43 GMT -5
I believe he said the necklace was a gift from one of his sons. Did they also insist that he wears it on top of his clothing? I've bought my dad a necklace and had necklaces bought for me by my son. Both worn below clothes. But then I'm a normal middle aged man - not one going through an identity and mid life crisis simultaneously Maybe you and your dad can’t pull it off because it’s a rock star thing? X
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