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Post by Parka Flames on Oct 28, 2019 9:59:32 GMT -5
...if they played Oasis songs from day 1?
Maybe a couple of Noel penned tunes and a couple of LAG's.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 28, 2019 10:03:56 GMT -5
...if they played Oasis songs from day 1? Maybe a couple of Noel penned tunes and a couple of LAG's. The minute they played Oasis songs, particularly Noel written ones, they became a joke and an Oasis cover band basically. He walked out on you! Don’t play his music. Show some pride. Play your material and lets see what happens. That’s my policy. Playing Oasis cheapens the Beady Eye product of them trying to become a new and creative band. |
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Oct 28, 2019 11:18:43 GMT -5
...if they played Oasis songs from day 1? Maybe a couple of Noel penned tunes and a couple of LAG's. The minute they played Oasis songs, particularly Noel written ones, they became a joke and an Oasis cover band basically. He walked out on you! Don’t play his music. Show some pride. Play your material and lets see what happens. That’s my policy. Playing Oasis cheapens the Beady Eye product of them trying to become a new and creative band. I agree but at the same time Gem, Andy and obviously Liam help bring them to life. But in this case you're right, they needed to distance themselves from it and they made the right call.
Liam obviously has a right to cover them now that he's gone solo since he was the voice of Oasis and those songs.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 28, 2019 11:22:12 GMT -5
The minute they played Oasis songs, particularly Noel written ones, they became a joke and an Oasis cover band basically. He walked out on you! Don’t play his music. Show some pride. Play your material and lets see what happens. That’s my policy. Playing Oasis cheapens the Beady Eye product of them trying to become a new and creative band. I agree but at the same time Gem, Andy and obviously Liam help bring them to life. But in this case you're right, they needed to distance themselves from it and they made the right call. Liam obviously has a right to cover them now that he's gone solo since he was the voice of Oasis and those songs.
He always had the right to play whatever he wants but it just seems odd and weird to make bold proclamations saying we are a new band, new songs, new image and then fluff up a show with mega oasis hits. Not a good first step. Glad they didn’t resort to that straight away. I wanted solo Liam but whatever. It was always gonna be a struggle for LAG to cook up an album of good products. Always the weakest parts of Oasis post 2002. |
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 28, 2019 11:28:58 GMT -5
I think the reason they didn't succeed to the extent they could've was the name. Noel immediately used the Gallagher name to push himself. Liam didn't, people didn't know what the hell Beady Eye was and they didn't care, Where as Liams solo career succeeded. I think Beady eye had good music, some better than Oasis. I don't think it had anything to do with Oasis. They should've kept with BDI songs, or song written by them in Oasis.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 28, 2019 13:41:09 GMT -5
Nyet.
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Post by emil on Oct 28, 2019 13:59:02 GMT -5
...if they played Oasis songs from day 1? Maybe a couple of Noel penned tunes and a couple of LAG's. The minute they played Oasis songs, particularly Noel written ones, they became a joke and an Oasis cover band basically. He walked out on you! Don’t play his music. Show some pride. Play your material and lets see what happens. That’s my policy. Playing Oasis cheapens the Beady Eye product of them trying to become a new and creative band. I don't think that Audioslave should have played RATM or SG songs (other than maybe some cool one off sometime) but it didn't really hurt the band or sales of their albums that they did. I think there is a different thing with first being all "This is a new thing" and then crawl back to the Oasis catalouge, than from the get-go say this is Oasis in a new form and we will keep playing some of the songs. So if they would have done that from the beginning, I don't thin anyone would see them as a joke or an Oasis coverband. |
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Post by emil on Oct 28, 2019 14:00:15 GMT -5
But the biggest problem with Beady Eye was that they didn't get any singles to stick. And playing or not playing Oasis songs would not save them being unable to write hit-hooks and hit-choruses.
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Post by Marissa on Oct 28, 2019 14:21:23 GMT -5
beady eye failed bc they only had a handful of good songs in their catalogue and when that wasn't enough they became an oasis cover band. if they started out as an oasis cover band even their good songs wouldn't have pulled any weight
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 28, 2019 14:37:27 GMT -5
...if they played Oasis songs from day 1? Maybe a couple of Noel penned tunes and a couple of LAG's. The minute they played Oasis songs, particularly Noel written ones, they became a joke and an Oasis cover band basically. He walked out on you! Don’t play his music. Show some pride. Play your material and lets see what happens. That’s my policy. Playing Oasis cheapens the Beady Eye product of them trying to become a new and creative band. What is the difference between that and what Liam does now? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 28, 2019 15:17:39 GMT -5
The minute they played Oasis songs, particularly Noel written ones, they became a joke and an Oasis cover band basically. He walked out on you! Don’t play his music. Show some pride. Play your material and lets see what happens. That’s my policy. Playing Oasis cheapens the Beady Eye product of them trying to become a new and creative band. What is the difference between that and what Liam does now? The difference is Liam isn’t trying to create a new band and identity or say he doesn’t need Oasis songs to be a rock star. Beady Eye started out that way. As a solo artist from a former mega hit band you are mixing both old and new. That’s the difference. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 28, 2019 15:42:25 GMT -5
What is the difference between that and what Liam does now? The difference is Liam isn’t trying to create a new band and identity or say he doesn’t need Oasis songs to be a rock star. Beady Eye started out that way. As a solo artist from a former mega hit band you are mixing both old and new. That’s the difference. Fair enough. I think there is little difference at all but then some people felt really the strongly about it. They were an excellent live band, did some of those songs at least as well if not better than Oasis. |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Oct 29, 2019 15:49:19 GMT -5
The problem was, neither playing Oasis songs nor not playing Oasis songs felt right at that time. Both options felt awkward. They were fucked.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 29, 2019 17:24:26 GMT -5
The problem was, neither playing Oasis songs nor not playing Oasis songs felt right at that time. Both options felt awkward. They were fucked. Their A&R man said, "I don't hear a single." The future was wide open.... |
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Post by Manualex on Oct 29, 2019 17:45:27 GMT -5
The problem was, neither playing Oasis songs nor not playing Oasis songs felt right at that time. Both options felt awkward. They were fucked. Their A&R man said, "I don't hear a single." The future was wide open.... |
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Post by LlAM on Nov 16, 2019 9:16:24 GMT -5
I actually thought it was pretty cool the didn't play Oasis songs, but it wouldn't change anything if they had played Oasis songs from the start, either way they were always going to be a poor man's Oasis.
Oasis minus the songwriter, what were they thinking?
I would argue that Liam should've gone solo from the start, but who would be writing his songs and how would his voice be now?
Beady Eye was an important stepping stone to where Liam is now.
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Post by welshylad on Nov 16, 2019 13:51:40 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher's Beady Eye
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Post by glider on Nov 16, 2019 20:05:06 GMT -5
Beady Eye was destined to fail the minute they named themselves Beady Eye. There's a reason Liam's success has been consistent - his name alone carries weight in the European music industry. Plus, he started singing primarily other people's songs designed for him in mind. The trinity of songwriting mediocrity that kept Oasis MkII from reaching any interesting potential becoming its own band was never going to work.
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 17, 2019 16:04:43 GMT -5
Beady Eye was destined to fail the minute they named themselves Beady Eye. There's a reason Liam's success has been consistent - his name alone carries weight in the European music industry. This is my opinion exactly. This is what I meant with the 'Would beady eye have succeeded with the gallagher/Oasis name ' thread. |
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Post by World71R on Nov 17, 2019 17:10:54 GMT -5
...if they played Oasis songs from day 1? Maybe a couple of Noel penned tunes and a couple of LAG's. The minute they played Oasis songs, particularly Noel written ones, they became a joke and an Oasis cover band basically. He walked out on you! Don’t play his music. Show some pride. Play your material and lets see what happens. That’s my policy. Playing Oasis cheapens the Beady Eye product of them trying to become a new and creative band. I agree. They played seven Oasis songs in their time and five of those more than two times. They were also all Noel songs too, while their work sat on the sidelines. Those seven Noel songs could've been replaced by: - Hung in a Bad Place - Born on a Different Cloud - Songbird - Turn Up the Sun - The Meaning of Soul - Guess God Thinks I'm Abel - Eyeball Tickler - Keep the Dream Alive - I'm Outta Time - To Be Where There's Life. ...and most of those songs were rarely ever performed live by Oasis or only lasted for a tour or two (minus Songbird and TMOS), so those would've been gems for BDI to have to keep them interesting and relevant by going against the grain. |
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Post by warewolf95 on Nov 18, 2019 20:12:24 GMT -5
...if they played Oasis songs from day 1? Maybe a couple of Noel penned tunes and a couple of LAG's. The minute they played Oasis songs, particularly Noel written ones, they became a joke and an Oasis cover band basically. He walked out on you! Don’t play his music. Show some pride. Play your material and lets see what happens. That’s my policy. Playing Oasis cheapens the Beady Eye product of them trying to become a new and creative band. THIS! I couldn't believe it and was super annoyed when this did his songs. WHY NOT SONGBIRD?! WHY NOT A BELL WILL RING?! WHY NOT THE MEANING OF SOUL?! I mean, if you're gonna play Oasis, at least do the friggin' songs you wrote for chrissake.... |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 19, 2019 9:57:19 GMT -5
They should have left out Oasis. But if they absolutely felt it was necessary, should have instead chose their own penned songs in Oasis to play. Still not sure why this never happened. People would have loved to hear Turn Up The Sun and Boy With The Blues and all that.
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Post by Regi on Dec 29, 2019 19:26:51 GMT -5
I love both Beady Eye records. In terms of success/longevity, I think they would have got off to a better start if they basically had Liam's name above the door, - people I spoke to didn't know who Beady Eye were - and played some Oasis songs from the start, then gradually phased a few of them out. They did it a bit back to front by playing purely Beady Eye songs, then eventually introducing a couple of Oasis songs.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 29, 2019 20:00:42 GMT -5
Solo Liam was always the best course of action.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 30, 2019 14:18:00 GMT -5
Solo Liam was always the best course of action. That might not be true, I know you have often said it but there are no certainties about how things might have turned out had Liam gone solo straight away. Who would he have worked with? No Debbie driving him? How much interest was there in a Liam solo project after Oasis spilt up? Sometimes you have to go close to the bottom before you can get up again. I wouldn't change anything, so fart its all worked out pretty well. |
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