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Post by Zingbot on Oct 21, 2019 22:19:15 GMT -5
Liam always claims that Oasis and The verve weren't britpop. I personally don't see it. The music they were putting out was drastically different from most britpop bands. It's easy to peg any british pop rock band from the 90s as britpop, but i don't think it's the case.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 22, 2019 1:23:37 GMT -5
Well, they were British. They were pop. It was the nineties. You do the maths.
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Post by Parka Flames on Oct 22, 2019 1:50:39 GMT -5
The 90s were before my time but history has certainly grouped Oasis and The Verve in with the Britpop crowd. Oasis are very much seen as being the "leaders" of the movement however.
They were also the only ones to have an international hit that wasn't a joke (sorry Damon) or an advertising jingle (sorry Richard)
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Post by andymorris on Oct 22, 2019 3:12:42 GMT -5
The 90s were before my time but history has certainly grouped Oasis and The Verve in with the Britpop crowd. Oasis are very much seen as being the "leaders" of the movement however. Agreed about the leader part, although, having lived that time, i'd say The Verve were kinda late to the party, more like a transition between britpop and stuff like Travis and Coldplay. The tru britpop band were stuff like Blur, Pulp and Suede. then Cast, Elastica... etc I'd say Oasis was definitely britpop, because it was a cultural movement led by music. Oasis started it all really. Without Oasis, there would be no britpop. Even though all those bands are pretty different musically.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 22, 2019 7:23:29 GMT -5
Most people call their granddad Grand Pop. I wonder if Noel’s grandchildren will call him Brit Pop? #DadJokes
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Post by Parka Flames on Oct 22, 2019 9:27:15 GMT -5
Most people call their granddad Grand Pop. I wonder if Noel’s grandchildren will call him Brit Pop? #DadJokes I thought Brit Pop was what Americans call Irn Bru?
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 22, 2019 9:42:13 GMT -5
Britpop was a movement and a separate genre. Not just any british pop rock band. They were more of a rock band. Does anything of DM sound like parklife or common people? Damon said blur stopped making britpop music after charmless man. They were still making british pop music, just not britpop.
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 22, 2019 9:46:40 GMT -5
The definition quotes it as having 'emphasized britishness'. The gallaghers are Irish. They also didn't emphasize any britishness. They never did anything to show how british they were. They played normal alternative rock music.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 22, 2019 10:05:23 GMT -5
Most people call their granddad Grand Pop. I wonder if Noel’s grandchildren will call him Brit Pop? #DadJokes I thought Brit Pop was what Americans call Irn Bru? That was quite clever. I enjoyed that. 😂
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 22, 2019 10:06:43 GMT -5
I find it a bit embarrassing how all the big players of British guitar music in the mid 90s resist so forcibly the Britpop tag. Not to mention pretentious.
So it's a catch-all term with little descriptive heft: that's all a name for an artistic movement ever is. Try to get a clear definition of Romanticism from a literary critic. At least people were attempting to define Britpop while it was still going on, and not a hundred years after, like every single literary movement (barring Postmodernism).
And just like how it's hard to reconcile what William Blake did with, say, Charlotte Smith's sonnets or Byron's Childe Harold's Pilgrimage, the links between Oasis and Pulp or Blur and Supergrass can seem a bit thin. But they are there to be found.
Blake wasn't famous until some time after his death, so we can't be sure the esteem he was held in by the other Romantics; but all the Britpop bands would definitely have known about each other. And that's enough to get something going, when you've got a lot of young, talented people off working on their separate creative projects all at the same time. You get a cross-fertilisation of ideas, and suddenly Oasis are releasing 'Bonehead's Bank Holiday', and the Manics are taking working-class solidarity to (near) the top of the charts after Pulp did the same thing the previous year.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 22, 2019 10:07:23 GMT -5
The definition quotes it as having 'emphasized britishness'. The gallaghers are Irish. They also didn't emphasize any britishness. They never did anything to show how british they were. They played normal alternative rock music. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you’re turning out to be a fine replacement for UGHF. 😂
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Post by dampcottage on Oct 22, 2019 12:43:34 GMT -5
They never did anything to show how british they were. a union jack guitar??
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Post by oasisunited on Oct 22, 2019 12:45:27 GMT -5
The definition quotes it as having 'emphasized britishness'. The gallaghers are Irish. They also didn't emphasize any britishness. They never did anything to show how british they were. They played normal alternative rock music. It's not like Noel ever played a Union Jack painted guitar at one of their most iconic gigs or Liam appeared on the cover of Vanity Fair lying in a bed with Union Jack sheets. All joking aside, I don't think they did anything to downplay their "British-ness" -- they just didn't play it up as a marketing point. Songs like "Round Are Way" and "Digsy's Dinner" definitely show off that they are British, especially from a lyrical content point of view. They were certainly not overtly British like some of their contemporaries like Blur or Pulp, but there are clearly British cultural influences in their lyrics that definitely made them a bit more peculiar to foreign audiences. I don't think anyone over here in the states would confuse them with an American alt-rock band of the same period.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 22, 2019 13:14:05 GMT -5
Bon and raised in England. They may have Irish heritage, but they weren’t raised in that background, other than Tommy Gallagher’s Irish songs he used to play which I think did in some ways inspire Noel, if I recall this correctly from the Oasis bible (Hewitt’s Getting High).
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 22, 2019 19:19:41 GMT -5
I was more referring to the music. The britpop definition has nothing to do with actions, only with music. Although I suppose if looking for small technicalities in the grammar I used and making dumb 'got ya' comments is all you can muster, I'll have to rest my case.
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 22, 2019 19:23:33 GMT -5
Yes, nobody would confuse Oasis with an American alt rock band. But, if we remove accents from the equation, a different scenario unfolds. To put it this way, if you removed the accents from pulp, it still wouldn't sound like normal american music. Oasis on the other hand, would blend right in.
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Post by Parka Flames on Oct 23, 2019 0:53:21 GMT -5
Yes, nobody would confuse Oasis with an American alt rock band. But, if we remove accents from the equation, a different scenario unfolds. To put it this way, if you removed the accents from pulp, it still wouldn't sound like normal american music. Oasis on the other hand, would blend right in. What utter bollocks
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Post by walterglass on Oct 23, 2019 2:08:08 GMT -5
Oasis had an aggressive and abrasive edge to their music. This edge firmly separated them from the Britpop playfulness of Space & Dodgy & The Boo Radleys.
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Post by LlAM on Oct 23, 2019 10:47:53 GMT -5
Oasis defined Britpop
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Post by beentherenow on Oct 23, 2019 11:51:57 GMT -5
I don’t associate Oasis with Britpop at all. Oasis were a Rock band that came out at the same time.
Britpop was a tongue in cheek attempt to hark back to the swinging 60’s. If you listen to any of those Britpop compilations and Oasis stand out musically as much as Radiohead did. Britpop is a lazy tag to cover nearly every band which emerged from 93-97
Common People, Country House, Alright etc all have this jovial Britishness about them. Some Might Say for example doesn’t, it’s just a great rock song that came out in 1995
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Post by coolprophet on Oct 23, 2019 13:20:50 GMT -5
I don’t associate Oasis with Britpop at all. Oasis were a Rock band that came out at the same time. Britpop was a tongue in cheek attempt to hark back to the swinging 60’s. If you listen to any of those Britpop complications and Oasis stand out musically as much as Radiohead did. Britpop is a lazy tag to cover nearly every band which emerged from 93-97 Common People, Country House, Alright etc all have this jovial Britishness about them. Some Might Say for example doesn’t, it’s just a great rock song that came out in 1995 THIS!
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Post by globe on Oct 24, 2019 15:37:48 GMT -5
Bon and raised in England. They may have Irish heritage, but they weren’t raised in that background, other than Tommy Gallagher’s Irish songs he used to play which I think did in some ways inspire Noel, if I recall this correctly from the Oasis bible (Hewitt’s Getting High). The Gallagher brothers are Irish to their core. It’s in their sense of humour, their music, their hair and outlook on life, especially Liam.
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Post by mouth on Oct 24, 2019 16:11:38 GMT -5
round are way is probably the britpoppiest britpop song ever.
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Post by Let It🩸 on Oct 24, 2019 16:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by durk on Oct 24, 2019 17:47:32 GMT -5
yes maybe definitely
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