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Post by americanparkamonkey on Oct 16, 2019 14:26:16 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Oct 16, 2019 16:16:16 GMT -5
It’s a shame, I like a lot of Suede songs, but Brett Anderson really is the biggest tosser to have come from Britpop (yep, he was as much a part of it as anyone, all the retro British influences are there in his music). He undermines his points by revealing himself in quite negative ways - him calling Oasis ‘singing plumbers’ reveals more about him and his condescending class prejudices than it does about his wayward views on Britpop. His views are a hell of a lot more problematic than the hysterical views on Britpop.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 16, 2019 17:10:59 GMT -5
Loved early Suede - especially the great B-sides like The Living Dead and My Dark Star.
But Brett Anderson is talking out of his svelte posterior.
Let me tell you...
Britpop was great.
The 90s were great.
Yes, it had all gone a bit shit by 1997 (with notable exceptions such as Urban Hymns) but for a few years from 1993 it was amazing.
I thought music would always be this good. The suddenly it wasn’t.
Great time to be young though.
And it wasn’t misogynistic (as a fan at least). There were a fair few female-fronted groups who produced great songs/albums and did very well.
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 16, 2019 18:03:24 GMT -5
It’s a shame, I like a lot of Suede songs, but Brett Anderson really is the biggest tosser to have come from Britpop (yep, he was as much a part of it as anyone, all the retro British influences are there in his music). He undermines his points by revealing himself in quite negative ways - him calling Oasis ‘singing plumbers’ reveals more about him and his condescending class prejudices than it does about his wayward views on Britpop. His views are a hell of a lot more problematic than the hysterical views on Britpop. I don't recall suede becoming the biggest band in the world and having a multitude of number one songs, so maybe he should shut the fuck up. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 17, 2019 8:47:19 GMT -5
Don't think it was that nationalistic or mysoginistic tbh, but what do I know about britain in the 90s
With that said, it all went downhill after a few years, that's for sure, but a lot of great records were produced in the name of Britpop
There'll be a time where no one will remember the Roll With It vs Country House battle and all the shitty bands that from 1995/96 onwards tried to join the party with no sign of originality, but Parklife, Definitely Maybe, What's The Story, Different Class, I Should Coco, Urban Hymns etc will forever stand the test of time
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 17, 2019 9:01:28 GMT -5
Love Suede, Brett is just trying to get some attention.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 17, 2019 9:39:23 GMT -5
I believe this is what they call virtue signalling?
Talented guy from a great band, but fuck him. If it wasn't for guitar music coming back in vogue in Britain in the mid-90s (for which the Gallaghers, with their talent and charisma, must take a lot of the credit), Brett would probably still be on his back somewhere, smoking crack.
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Post by americanparkamonkey on Oct 17, 2019 9:54:45 GMT -5
Perhaps young people being happy and optimistic, and the fact that Noel had a Union Jack guitar makes poor Brett think the movement was "nationalistic". To me, there's nothing wrong with pride if it's positive. Seems like a class thing from Brett if not just sour grapes.
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Post by morning_rain on Oct 17, 2019 9:58:00 GMT -5
I think society these days is much more mysoginistic than it was in the 90's.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 17, 2019 11:32:08 GMT -5
I think society these days is much more mysoginistic than it was in the 90's. You might be right. I'm sure there was as much, if not more, sexism in the 90s, but it feels like actual hatred of women has increased in this decade, along with other far-Right obsessions. Some of the things you see in YouTube comments sections now are appalling. I'm generalising, obviously, but as far as I understand that period of recent history--from around 1993 to 1997ish--the prevailing mood in Britain was optimistic. Compare that to how we're all feeling now, and factor in social media, that great breeding ground for division and resentment and paranoia, and I find it hard to believe that people then were stewing in hatred as much as they are now. |
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Post by americanparkamonkey on Oct 17, 2019 13:22:40 GMT -5
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 18, 2019 1:17:19 GMT -5
Let's not pretend there wasn't a certain distasteful masculinity in a time when Lad's Mags were all top-sellers, but I don't really see what this has got to do with bands like Blur or Pulp. Feels like a blatant dig at Oasis, from an artist who's band wouldn't be nearly as big as they were without the Gallagher's cultural impact.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 18, 2019 13:23:47 GMT -5
Let's not pretend there wasn't a certain distasteful masculinity in a time when Lad's Mags were all top-sellers, but I don't really see what this has got to do with bands like Blur or Pulp. Feels like a blatant dig at Oasis, from an artist who's band wouldn't be nearly as big as they were without the Gallagher's cultural impact. But even the Gallaghers, yes they were this sort of "lad culture" icons, but there was not really that much mysoginy in their words or songs |
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Post by glider on Oct 18, 2019 13:30:52 GMT -5
Oasis anthems were about embracing the confusing yet exciting times of youth and adolesence. It wasn't targeting towards a guy audience primarily at all - many fans, mostly young, still to this day gravitate to the sound of 90s Oasis. That euphoric sense of hope and confidence, never was written generalizing anyone, and the only criticism in those songs was towards the upper class. The anthems championed the working class, which isn't just men, but women as well. Oasis is and has always been for everyone. He sounds more like he's bitter Oasis was more successful than Suede.
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 18, 2019 14:40:26 GMT -5
I truly believe that those were the times when best songs and albums were number one in charts, best bands were the most popular ones... Who was stoping him to write something better and to create different and more popular movement? Those were probably last years when bands really have that much power to do that. It's not like that he was writing new The Dark Side of the Moon every year in the 90s but nobody understood that and stupid people were listening to those shit Oasis albums and songs instead of his brilliant and underrated albums.
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Post by pliolite on Oct 18, 2019 15:52:28 GMT -5
Let's not pretend there wasn't a certain distasteful masculinity in a time when Lad's Mags were all top-sellers, but I don't really see what this has got to do with bands like Blur or Pulp. Feels like a blatant dig at Oasis, from an artist who's band wouldn't be nearly as big as they were without the Gallagher's cultural impact. But even the Gallaghers, yes they were this sort of "lad culture" icons, but there was not really that much mysoginy in their words or songs The difference between then and now is, at the time the media absolutely LOVED all that 'lad culture' and revelled in it, big time; now it's 'reviled', 'repulsive' etc. cause that's the line they have to take. Both women and men were fans, hence the birth of the 'ladette' and everything was fine, dandy and awesome. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 21, 2019 11:26:52 GMT -5
Brett's kidding himself with his "I distanced Suede from all that" talk.
Coming Up, released in '96, the year of Oasis's Morning Glory victory lap, still sounds very Britpop to my ears. It's not like Radiohead releasing OK Computer the following year--now that is was you call distancing yourself from the zeitgeist. The lead single 'Beautiful Ones' has that celebration of underground party culture that is thoroughly Britpop; after all, some of Britpop's biggest players had been raised on house music and illegal raves--Noel, Jarvis, Damon, etc.
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 21, 2019 12:30:37 GMT -5
The Beautiful Ones intro has an awesome guitar riff played by then prodigious 19 years old Richard Oakes who had the hard job to replace Bernard Butler. Oakes joined the band with only 17 years old, he beat more than five hundreds candidates to be the new Suede guitarist, his first album with the band Coming Up became the best selling Suede album and over the years he co-wrote many Suede songs.
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Post by shannee on Oct 21, 2019 20:27:59 GMT -5
I’m surprised anyone, especially Liam, reacted to this so called article at all. It was all of what, 3 sentences lol. And Brett dismisses his silly plumber comment about oasis. I thought after the twitter storm this was a real full interview. What a lot of nothing.
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