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Post by carljungfu on Sept 10, 2019 21:09:20 GMT -5
of his recent output?
When recent tracks like "Dead In the Water" and "Sail On" are being hailed as the upper echelon of your recent offerings, you know that your and their standards have dropped tremendously.
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Post by LlAM on Sept 10, 2019 22:43:50 GMT -5
Troll alert
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Post by carljungfu on Sept 10, 2019 22:49:00 GMT -5
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Post by eva on Sept 11, 2019 5:53:02 GMT -5
respawn
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Post by Snail Mail on Sept 11, 2019 6:41:11 GMT -5
Most of you may not get into Noel's music now but trust me in 20 years' time you will look back and listen to it and realize how great it was. Mark my words.
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Post by mossy on Sept 11, 2019 6:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 11, 2019 6:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by blkc on Sept 11, 2019 8:06:44 GMT -5
Most of you may not get into Noel's music now but trust me in 20 years' time you will look back and listen to it and realize how great it was. Mark my words. You're not as lonely as you think, I do love Noel's recent stuff too but don't often speaks just to say " I love it it's great" with nothing else to say ^^, and since "discussions" about this often fall into endless debates, brothers fights, etc, I do think that many people just don't bother talking too much about it. There's many times that I thought about talking in a thread and then changed my mind thinking that it would propbably end in another useless debate, and I could get carried away in it. ^^ As for this thread, the guy is trolling and he's not even good at it, the lack of subtility is a shame, at least trolls should be inventive and get stronger "arguments", that's lazy.  You can contradict his point just by remembering that Noel isn't blaming anyone for his songs, he loves them and you just have to look him playing them live to see that he's enjoying his time on stage like never before.  |
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Post by carljungfu on Sept 11, 2019 9:11:59 GMT -5
Most of you may not get into Noel's music now but trust me in 20 years' time you will look back and listen to it and realize how great it was. Mark my words. Are you sure it's not in 30 years' time rather than 20? It would be more romantic if both my kids and grand kids were congregating around my death bed when I receive this epiphany, a la Wilde's with God and the Church. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Sept 11, 2019 9:54:20 GMT -5
I think the opposite. I think this is very much a phase... leopards don't change their spots. Noel is a rocker and likes his melodies. He isn't cosmic pop.
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 11, 2019 10:24:25 GMT -5
of his recent output? When recent tracks like "Dead In the Water" and "Sail On" are being hailed as the upper echelon of your recent offerings, you know that your and their standards have dropped tremendously. This would have been a fair point if you'd said Sail On and Dead In The Water are seen as highlights and it shows that his true talent is writing how he knows. It spoke volumes to me that Sail On hit me just like an old Noel song and I felt more from it than any of these EPs or the last album - then he admitted it was a Chasing Yesterday left over. But Dead In The Water and Sail On are great songs IMO. It doesnt mean everything hes done recently is awful. |
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Post by blkc on Sept 11, 2019 11:00:29 GMT -5
I think the opposite. I think this is very much a phase... leopards don't change their spots. Noel is a rocker and likes his melodies. He isn't cosmic pop. I don't get the Noel's has changed thing, it's not like this to me. Black Star Dancing or This Is The Place aren't stuff that were "out of his world". Wasn't he listening to this kind of music in his youth, dancing to it and all, wasn't he in the middle of the madchester thing and of all that was happening at that time ? Of course you like it or you don't, but to me it's more like going back to his roots that where not much used during Oasis and the first era of his solo career. He always loved David Bowie and Bowie wasn't just a "rocker", his recent work is also what he is deeply, that just wasn't much visible in Oasis, that's all. I get that you want him to do "rock", but this isn't what he wants to do these days, I totally get the frustration, but an artist has to work with passion, to me that's the most important. In my opinion seeing him going back to his old habits just to give fans what they want and sell more would be a really bad thing. On an artistic level, he would be selling out and nothing else. I'd rather see him criticized again and again and selling less and less until the end as long as he's true to himself and enjoying what he does. Just be patient, what he does now is as much a part of him than what he did before, it's not erasing his previous work or denying it, and I'm sure that after some time he'll feel the need to go back to some rock at some point. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 11, 2019 12:07:42 GMT -5
I have no problem with Noel heading in a different direction, it’s just that the recent output isn’t particularly strong imo.
For all that he sings the praises of David Holmes I think he needs to work with someone else like the Chemical Brothers to really make things interesting.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Sept 11, 2019 13:54:15 GMT -5
of his recent output? When recent tracks like "Dead In the Water" and "Sail On" are being hailed as the upper echelon of your recent offerings, you know that your and their standards have dropped tremendously. Those are the two best songs he’s done in the last few years IMO and it ain’t “middling” |
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Post by blkc on Sept 11, 2019 15:20:41 GMT -5
I have no problem with Noel heading in a different direction, it’s just that the recent output isn’t particularly strong imo. For all that he sings the praises of David Holmes I think he needs to work with someone else like the Chemical Brothers to really make things interesting. I think that he mostly praises Holmes for helping him getting out of his own bubble in terms of songwriting, finding new ways, try new things, etc... It's undeniable that on this point, he was a big help for him, of course people like the result or not, but it was a clear step forward. I remember Noel during the Chasing Yesterday era saying that he was exploring new things, but it was a very shy attempt, very close from what he did before. At least with Holmes it was true, he did get out of his usual "sound". I only judge music on terms of emotions and pleasure, and I really enjoy what he does, that's enough for me  I don't go as far as saying it's a masterpiece or I don't know what, but I find it really good. It's all down to opinions in the end, but I'm all with you to hope for better music, we should always want him to do better ^^ In the end I really don't think that he considers Holmes as essential or anything to create music, If I'm correct he wasn't involved in this years EP's and it doesn't prevent Noel to do his thing on his own while still heading in the same "way". I agree with you that working with other people than Holmes can be a really good thing, not sure about the Chem Brothers though, he already worked with them so I hardly see it as a step forward and I fear some kind of "repetition", but who knows, of course it could be really good. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 11, 2019 15:31:11 GMT -5
I have no problem with Noel heading in a different direction, it’s just that the recent output isn’t particularly strong imo. For all that he sings the praises of David Holmes I think he needs to work with someone else like the Chemical Brothers to really make things interesting. I think that he mostly praises Holmes for helping him getting out of his own bubble in terms of songwriting, finding new ways, try new things, etc... It's undeniable that on this point, he was a big help for him, of course people like the result or not, but it was a clear step forward. I remember Noel during the Chasing Yesterday era saying that he was exploring new things, but it was a very shy attempt, very close from what he did before. At least with Holmes it was true, he did get out of his usual "sound". I only judge music on terms of emotions and pleasure, and I really enjoy what he does, that's enough for me I don't go as far as saying it's a masterpiece or I don't know what, but I find it really good. It's all down to opinions in the end, but I'm all with you to hope for better music, we should always want him to do better ^^ In the end I really don't think that he considers Holmes as essential or anything to create music, If I'm correct he wasn't involved in this years EP's and it doesn't prevent Noel to do his thing on his own while still heading in the same "way". I agree with you that working with other people than Holmes can be a really good thing, not sure about the Chem Brothers though, he already worked with them so I hardly see it as a step forward and I fear some kind of "repetition", but who knows, of course it could be really good. Yeah, the Chemical Brothers were just the first name I thought of as able to take Noel songs and add something different that improved them, but I’m thinking any producers of that type. It’s great that you connect with the new songs, for me they’re just a bit bland and forgettable. |
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Post by emil on Sept 11, 2019 16:56:10 GMT -5
of his recent output? When recent tracks like "Dead In the Water" and "Sail On" are being hailed as the upper echelon of your recent offerings, you know that your and their standards have dropped tremendously. Dead in the Water would have been a top 10 Oasis song. |
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Post by blkc on Sept 11, 2019 17:16:12 GMT -5
Yeah, the Chemical Brothers were just the first name I thought of as able to take Noel songs and add something different that improved them, but I’m thinking any producers of that type. It’s great that you connect with the new songs, for me they’re just a bit bland and forgettable. I understand how you feel, I have the same issue with Liam recently, nothing from Why Me... is doing it for me, I'm following both of them for almost 15 years now and it's a first, but I haven't heard the album yet so I do hope that I'll get something for me in it ^^ I'm definitely more into Noel's music, but still loves Liam and I'm somehow kind of pissed by that situation |
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Post by thehyperbolist on Sept 11, 2019 20:46:48 GMT -5
I just wish he’d go back to writing lyrics that are at least vaguely personal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 21:02:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I LOVE This Is The Place but I do wish it was about something!
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Post by LoafAndDeath on Sept 13, 2019 14:37:30 GMT -5
Most of you may not get into Noel's music now but trust me in 20 years' time you will look back and listen to it and realize how great it was. Mark my words. I won't, because it's nothing special in its genre. Of all the songs that exist there's no reason to listen to them.
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I don't go as far as saying it's a masterpiece or I don't know what, but I find it really good. It's all down to opinions in the end, but I'm all with you to hope for better music, we should always want him to do better ^^ 
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