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Post by The Chief on Sept 1, 2019 15:11:56 GMT -5
It's been 10 years since Oasis broke up. For the past 25 years, I've enjoyed pretty much everything involving the Gallaghers. Oasis obviously but their post-Oasis careers too. But in the last 2 years, things have gone down a dark road and right now, the Gallagher brothers are, to me, in a very bad state.
Let's start with Liam. We all know he's never gotten over the end of Oasis. At first, he, along with Gem and Andy, ended up releasing a first record that was comparable to a kid leaving home. When we leave home, at first, we feel liberated from the rules and we break them. Because we can do what we want. We stay up late, eat crap, we don't clean our apartment and so on. We all eventually understand why we needed to go to bed at a certain time, eat healthy food and clean our apartment. But we had to test our liberty first.
Different Gear, Still Speeding was pretty much that. It's comprised of mostly songs that were never included on Oasis records, mostly because of Noel's vetting. But obviously if Liam, Gem or Andy presented the band with those songs, it's because they liked them. So they were kept until that record was made.
Then they made BE. I love that record. They were doing things differently and especially Liam was exploring something more than just stomping rock and roll and simplistic acoustic numbers.
But I get the feeling that, with Beady Eye, the guys, especially Liam, were kind of keeping the fort until Noel got his solo ambitions out of the way. But BE was a commercial failure and of course everything went to shit at that time. Gem injured himself twice, Liam got a nasty divorce. They didn't tour the US for the first time ever. But more importantly, you could feel Liam was very proud of that record before it came out. For the first time ever, he tried something different and took risks. It was a failure. I think that's why he ended Beady Eye so abruptly. I think he was in a "fuck them" state of mind which is why he got particularly lost after that. But also, he could see Noel’s career going really well and him saying that he was never going to come back with Oasis. And Liam lost it. He understood, 5 years after the breakup of Oasis, that it was actually over.
When As You Were was about to be released, everything was going great, we were all looking forward to it coming out. Wall of Glass was a great tune. But then, the Manchester bombing happened and Liam shamelessly used that as a way to market himself by throwing Noel under the bus when he was talking about how he went and Noel didn't and all that. He made this tragedy about him and Noel for a while. That was the beginning of him using Oasis and his endless feud with Noel as a marketing tool, whether on purpose or not. But he knows that when he tweets about it, the press turns to him, talks about him. He even made a movie about his comeback that seems to include a fair share of “Oasis ended”, “Noel’s a c*nt”, “I’m a victim” and so on. It’s as if Liam doesn’t think he can market himself without all of that, which he could. As You Were is a good record and he would have made it as big as he did without all that nonsense.
And now “One of Us”. In a vacuum, that song is beautiful and so is the video. But in a world where Liam constantly uses the end of Oasis and his broken relationship with Noel as a marketing tool, it’s pathetic and annoying. He’s not selling his music, he’s selling nostalgia. His music WOULD suffice. But I don’t think he’s that confident. Maybe he’s still affected by the last time he tried to do something different and focused on the music: BE. But the fact that we can listen to Bold, Greedy Soul, Paper Crown, I Never Wanna Be Like You, Shockwave, Once and One of Us and hear either a dig at Noel or a countless, hypocritical and fake-feeling “I miss you” to Noel speaks volumes.
Unfortunately, he doesn’t do anything to shake off that angry reputation he has. That’s a shame. In Oasis, they used to be all about being positive. But in the last 5 years, he’s lost that. I miss that Liam. And I cannot stress enough that he could have marketed As You Were as a great rock and roll record, which it is. He could stop him constant Twitter rants against Noel, or go back to his post-Oasis interviews where he reacted with maturity and positivity to the Oasis questions in interviews. That all changed in Beady Eye’s last year of existence.
Now, Noel.
There’s a huge difference between 2011 Noel and 2017-onwards Noel. I used to love watching Noel being interviewed. But since 2017, bar some exceptions, he seems to have turned into a massive sour c*nt.
I think it started with the reaction the preview for Who Built The Moon. That or he was already like that before the record came out and this is a coincidence. But he’s been complaining about how his fan base reacted. Since Black Star Dancing, he said on numerous occasions that he’s making that music to piss off his fans. In his iHeartRadio interview, he also said his fans were stuck in their ways. Ever since 2017, his interview has seen him complain about music, but not in an amusing funny way like before. He never says anything interesting anymore either. The only two interview I actually enjoyed watching was with Frank Skinner and his recent Reel Stories. Other than that he’s been acting more like an arrogant c*nt who takes himself way too seriously, which he didn’t do before. He seems to be wearing his shades 24/7 (which reminds me of when he said about Liam that, if the eyes are the window to the soul, he does a good job blocking it out). The video for this is the place is kind of the culmination of this. But he never says anything interesting anymore either.
Of course, there’s always the music. Who Built The Moon is my favourite of all three NGHFB records. But Black Star Dancing and This is the Place lack the general talent Noel has for melodies. All of his songs have a certain core that’s made of a melody. You can play WBTM on an acoustic guitar in its entirety bar Fort Knox. I’m not saying they’d all be as good. But there’s a core there that works stripped down. You can’t do that with Black Star Dancing or This is the place. It’s kind of hard to explain but I’m sure you’ll all get it given you’re fans too. There’s something missing in his latest efforts. Rattling Rose is pretty good and Sail On is one of his best songs but it’s a left over from Chasing Yesterday. So I’m starting to wonder if he’s actually doing this style of music on purpose like he claims or if it’s actually what he likes. If it is I hope it passes. Because right now, I can’t recognize the Noel Gallagher music we all love. And I know he seems to dismiss this as just hatred from the “parka monkeys” but I always love his experimentations and, like I said, Who Built The Moon is my favourite record of his. So that’s not the point. The latest songs are simply weak, to me anyway.
So yeah, that’s my rant.
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 1, 2019 17:10:47 GMT -5
If they could just stop fucking talking about each other, there'd be a much more positive atmosphere about the both of them, because believe it or not they're both doing pretty well right now. Noel is making music that's more colourful than it has been since the 90's, and Liam is back where he belongs singing rock songs to adoring fans. They just need to stop being so bitter towards each other and making the whole thing feel a bit miserable.
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Post by The Chief on Sept 1, 2019 17:29:30 GMT -5
If they could just stop fucking talking about each other, there'd be a much more positive atmosphere about the both of them, because believe it or not they're both doing pretty well right now. Noel is making music that's more colourful than it has been since the 90's, and Liam is back where he belongs singing rock songs to adoring fans. They just need to stop being so bitter towards each other and making the whole thing feel a bit miserable. Totally! That's a point I forgot in my initial post. For the first time since the end of Oasis, Noel's official Twitter account was used to hit on Liam. I'm not talking about why he did it or if it was justified or not. It's just a first. At first, it would be the usual tongue in cheek thing in the media but as time went by, Noel became more and more agressive against Liam and he hit hard in the last months. Again, not saying it's unjustified. It's just new which goes with the point I was making about Noel changing. But yeah BOTH brothers should tell interviewers that they won't answer questions about each other. They need to stop playing into that bullshit.
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Post by Bellboy on Sept 1, 2019 18:16:07 GMT -5
A fair rant!
With regards to Liam you forgot to mention Don't Brother Me.
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Post by oneofus on Sept 1, 2019 18:46:06 GMT -5
Noel is embarrassing lately. Especially the recent foo Fighters comments
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 1, 2019 18:49:48 GMT -5
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Post by Marissa on Sept 1, 2019 21:32:47 GMT -5
i'm pretty sure that shit is gonna hit the fan for these kids. they gotta let go and rise up real quick. i'm concerned for them.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 1, 2019 21:40:40 GMT -5
Yeah I switched over to really liking Noel in 2004, but he’s been acting like a twat in recent years - normally that’s part of his charm but it hasn’t been coming across well lately.
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Post by Marissa on Sept 1, 2019 22:06:54 GMT -5
But then, the Manchester bombing happened and Liam shamelessly used that as a way to market himself by throwing Noel under the bus when he was talking about how he went and Noel didn't and all that. He made this tragedy about him and Noel for a while. That was the beginning of him using Oasis and his endless feud with Noel as a marketing tool, whether on purpose or not. But he knows that when he tweets about it, the press turns to him, talks about him. He even made a movie about his comeback that seems to include a fair share of “Oasis ended”, “Noel’s a c*nt”, “I’m a victim” and so on. It’s as if Liam doesn’t think he can market himself without all of that, which he could. As You Were is a good record and he would have made it as big as he did without all that nonsense. as you were is a wonderful record and it absolutely could have stood on its own. liam loves his victim consciousness. he thrives off that shit. in his mind, he's never had any other way be successful for him, so why wouldn't he? it's understandable but that doesn't mean it's excusable. how much longer he will actually be able to hold on to that is debatable. holding onto that kind of belief system is poisonous. the world is reaching a point where it is going to absolutely force letting go of victim consciousness - this goes for all of us. Unfortunately, he doesn’t do anything to shake off that angry reputation he has. That’s a shame. In Oasis, they used to be all about being positive. But in the last 5 years, he’s lost that. I miss that Liam. And I cannot stress enough that he could have marketed As You Were as a great rock and roll record, which it is. He could stop him constant Twitter rants against Noel, or go back to his post-Oasis interviews where he reacted with maturity and positivity to the Oasis questions in interviews. That all changed in Beady Eye’s last year of existence. the positive energy from oasis was what drew me to them so strongly. it's why they were my favorite band going into my teens and through my early 20s. sure they were hedonistic and arrogant as fuck, but they strode around making music like live forever. even with how volatile the gallaghers were, they seemed like they absolutely loved life and each other (even if they didn't want to admit the latter part). in their separation, both of them have become bitter and angry towards the world in general. it seems liam has always been the most outward about it, but noel is starting to get there too. I think it started with the reaction the preview for Who Built The Moon. That or he was already like that before the record came out and this is a coincidence. But he’s been complaining about how his fan base reacted. Since Black Star Dancing, he said on numerous occasions that he’s making that music to piss off his fans. In his iHeartRadio interview, he also said his fans were stuck in their ways. noel has a lot of shadow work he needs to deal with. i think the fact that we are starting to see him project anger out in every direction (his fans have never really been the target of this) is a direct result of him not doing it. just like liam's victim consciousness, noel has it too. his has different symptoms because he chooses to live his life from a standpoint of "THEY'RE a shitty person, so i'm going to completely block them out rather than dealing with everything their actions cause in me emotionally." noel sees his entire history of trauma in liam and he absolutely refuses to work through it (of course this rejection triggers liam and causes him to lash out, which causes noel to pull back further, continuing the vicious cycle). seems that music has always been noel's escape. so his fanbase has a negative reaction to his new material? probably shakes him up a little bit. and of course he processes it through anger. now his fans are the bad guys. easiest that way, huh? He seems to be wearing his shades 24/7 (which reminds me of when he said about Liam that, if the eyes are the window to the soul, he does a good job blocking it out). HMMMMmmmmMMMMMMM i wonder why how can you not feel seen with all of the revelation energy we are being given right now? of course he's trying to block out his soul access.
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Post by oasis6 on Sept 1, 2019 22:22:41 GMT -5
I see Liam as the puppy who needs attention and sometimes goes about getting it in ways he shouldn't, like shitting on the floor. Noel is just the vagina cat who knocks shit off the table and gets a kick out of it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 1, 2019 23:17:33 GMT -5
I see Liam as the puppy who needs attention and sometimes goes about getting it in ways he shouldn't, like shitting on the floor. Noel is just the vagina cat who knocks shit off the table and gets a kick out of it.
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Post by glider on Sept 2, 2019 0:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by Snail Mail on Sept 2, 2019 2:37:28 GMT -5
Liam has only himself to blame for Oasis split up. If only he had behaved himself and acted more mature, Oasis would have still been together. I find it funny that Liam and his fanboys constantly blame Noel for splitting up Oasis when Liam himself was responsible for it. After all, Noel made the right decision to leave Oasis. He's too smart and talented to waste his talent in Oasis when at his age he should explore new musical territory and challenge himself
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Post by mkoasis on Sept 2, 2019 2:47:40 GMT -5
I never thought about some of those things. I suppose BE was to Liam what SOTSOG was to Noel. Both times, they put themselves out there with something a little different and were left feeling like they’d failed, even though both were pretty good albums.
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Post by martinpaul on Sept 2, 2019 2:54:46 GMT -5
Liam has only himself to blame for Oasis split up. If only he had behaved himself and acted more mature, Oasis would have still been together. I find it funny that Liam and his fanboys constantly blame Noel for splitting up Oasis when Liam himself was responsible for it. After all, Noel made the right decision to leave Oasis. He's too smart and talented to waste his talent in Oasis when at his age he should explore new musical territory and challenge himself Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 2, 2019 4:28:01 GMT -5
Liam has only himself to blame for Oasis split up. If only he had behaved himself and acted more mature, Oasis would have still been together. I find it funny that Liam and his fanboys constantly blame Noel for splitting up Oasis when Liam himself was responsible for it. After all, Noel made the right decision to leave Oasis. He's too smart and talented to waste his talent in Oasis when at his age he should explore new musical territory and challenge himself They made Oasis together and they broke it together. They're both to blame for the band splitting up. They're not better or worse than each other. I'm not saying it to you, but in general. I just wish these stupid and childish Noel (fan boys/girls) vs Liam (fan boys/girls) "arguments" to bitching each other. It's bloody tiring and boring. Oasis were/are/will be one of the best, but people should move on and enjoy music instead of bitching to random people who you even don't know on an internet forum. In the end of the day, it's about music and if you don't like Noel's new direction, you don't have to listen to it. If you don't like Liam's solo stuff, you don't have to listen to it. You can't force anyone to like/love what they don't like. If you like it, you like and if you don't like it, just let it go. The sad state of the Gallagher brothers? Personally I don't see it as "sad". We get new music by both brothers now. What does it feel sad about? There's too many sadness and hate around us in the world. Be happy kids.
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 2, 2019 7:14:57 GMT -5
It's been 10 years since Oasis broke up. For the past 25 years, I've enjoyed pretty much everything involving the Gallaghers. Oasis obviously but their post-Oasis careers too. But in the last 2 years, things have gone down a dark road and right now, the Gallagher brothers are, to me, in a very bad state. Let's start with Liam. We all know he's never gotten over the end of Oasis. At first, he, along with Gem and Andy, ended up releasing a first record that was comparable to a kid leaving home. When we leave home, at first, we feel liberated from the rules and we break them. Because we can do what we want. We stay up late, eat crap, we don't clean our apartment and so on. We all eventually understand why we needed to go to bed at a certain time, eat healthy food and clean our apartment. But we had to test our liberty first. Different Gear, Still Speeding was pretty much that. It's comprised of mostly songs that were never included on Oasis records, mostly because of Noel's vetting. But obviously if Liam, Gem or Andy presented the band with those songs, it's because they liked them. So they were kept until that record was made. Then they made BE. I love that record. They were doing things differently and especially Liam was exploring something more than just stomping rock and roll and simplistic acoustic numbers. But I get the feeling that, with Beady Eye, the guys, especially Liam, were kind of keeping the fort until Noel got his solo ambitions out of the way. But BE was a commercial failure and of course everything went to shit at that time. Gem injured himself twice, Liam got a nasty divorce. They didn't tour the US for the first time ever. But more importantly, you could feel Liam was very proud of that record before it came out. For the first time ever, he tried something different and took risks. It was a failure. I think that's why he ended Beady Eye so abruptly. I think he was in a "fuck them" state of mind which is why he got particularly lost after that. But also, he could see Noel’s career going really well and him saying that he was never going to come back with Oasis. And Liam lost it. He understood, 5 years after the breakup of Oasis, that it was actually over. When As You Were was about to be released, everything was going great, we were all looking forward to it coming out. Wall of Glass was a great tune. But then, the Manchester bombing happened and Liam shamelessly used that as a way to market himself by throwing Noel under the bus when he was talking about how he went and Noel didn't and all that. He made this tragedy about him and Noel for a while. That was the beginning of him using Oasis and his endless feud with Noel as a marketing tool, whether on purpose or not. But he knows that when he tweets about it, the press turns to him, talks about him. He even made a movie about his comeback that seems to include a fair share of “Oasis ended”, “Noel’s a c*nt”, “I’m a victim” and so on. It’s as if Liam doesn’t think he can market himself without all of that, which he could. As You Were is a good record and he would have made it as big as he did without all that nonsense. And now “One of Us”. In a vacuum, that song is beautiful and so is the video. But in a world where Liam constantly uses the end of Oasis and his broken relationship with Noel as a marketing tool, it’s pathetic and annoying. He’s not selling his music, he’s selling nostalgia. His music WOULD suffice. But I don’t think he’s that confident. Maybe he’s still affected by the last time he tried to do something different and focused on the music: BE. But the fact that we can listen to Bold, Greedy Soul, Paper Crown, I Never Wanna Be Like You, Shockwave, Once and One of Us and hear either a dig at Noel or a countless, hypocritical and fake-feeling “I miss you” to Noel speaks volumes. Unfortunately, he doesn’t do anything to shake off that angry reputation he has. That’s a shame. In Oasis, they used to be all about being positive. But in the last 5 years, he’s lost that. I miss that Liam. And I cannot stress enough that he could have marketed As You Were as a great rock and roll record, which it is. He could stop him constant Twitter rants against Noel, or go back to his post-Oasis interviews where he reacted with maturity and positivity to the Oasis questions in interviews. That all changed in Beady Eye’s last year of existence. Now, Noel. There’s a huge difference between 2011 Noel and 2017-onwards Noel. I used to love watching Noel being interviewed. But since 2017, bar some exceptions, he seems to have turned into a massive sour c*nt. I think it started with the reaction the preview for Who Built The Moon. That or he was already like that before the record came out and this is a coincidence. But he’s been complaining about how his fan base reacted. Since Black Star Dancing, he said on numerous occasions that he’s making that music to piss off his fans. In his iHeartRadio interview, he also said his fans were stuck in their ways. Ever since 2017, his interview has seen him complain about music, but not in an amusing funny way like before. He never says anything interesting anymore either. The only two interview I actually enjoyed watching was with Frank Skinner and his recent Reel Stories. Other than that he’s been acting more like an arrogant c*nt who takes himself way too seriously, which he didn’t do before. He seems to be wearing his shades 24/7 (which reminds me of when he said about Liam that, if the eyes are the window to the soul, he does a good job blocking it out). The video for this is the place is kind of the culmination of this. But he never says anything interesting anymore either. Of course, there’s always the music. Who Built The Moon is my favourite of all three NGHFB records. But Black Star Dancing and This is the Place lack the general talent Noel has for melodies. All of his songs have a certain core that’s made of a melody. You can play WBTM on an acoustic guitar in its entirety bar Fort Knox. I’m not saying they’d all be as good. But there’s a core there that works stripped down. You can’t do that with Black Star Dancing or This is the place. It’s kind of hard to explain but I’m sure you’ll all get it given you’re fans too. There’s something missing in his latest efforts. Rattling Rose is pretty good and Sail On is one of his best songs but it’s a left over from Chasing Yesterday. So I’m starting to wonder if he’s actually doing this style of music on purpose like he claims or if it’s actually what he likes. If it is I hope it passes. Because right now, I can’t recognize the Noel Gallagher music we all love. And I know he seems to dismiss this as just hatred from the “parka monkeys” but I always love his experimentations and, like I said, Who Built The Moon is my favourite record of his. So that’s not the point. The latest songs are simply weak, to me anyway. So yeah, that’s my rant. I think you’re spot on. Well said.
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Post by The Chief on Sept 2, 2019 9:15:08 GMT -5
Liam has only himself to blame for Oasis split up. If only he had behaved himself and acted more mature, Oasis would have still been together. I find it funny that Liam and his fanboys constantly blame Noel for splitting up Oasis when Liam himself was responsible for it. After all, Noel made the right decision to leave Oasis. He's too smart and talented to waste his talent in Oasis when at his age he should explore new musical territory and challenge himself They made Oasis together and they broke it together. They're both to blame for the band splitting up. They're not better or worse than each other. I'm not saying it to you, but in general. I just wish these stupid and childish Noel (fan boys/girls) vs Liam (fan boys/girls) "arguments" to bitching each other. It's bloody tiring and boring. Oasis were/are/will be one of the best, but people should move on and enjoy music instead of bitching to random people who you even don't know on an internet forum. In the end of the day, it's about music and if you don't like Noel's new direction, you don't have to listen to it. If you don't like Liam's solo stuff, you don't have to listen to it. You can't force anyone to like/love what they don't like. If you like it, you like and if you don't like it, just let it go. The sad state of the Gallagher brothers? Personally I don't see it as "sad". We get new music by both brothers now. What does it feel sad about? There's too many sadness and hate around us in the world. Be happy kids. I get what you mean and usually I would agree. If you look around the forum, you won't see me take a Liam or Noel side. I never did, at least unless I actually felt like one of them did something good or bad. But I think there's several points you didn't understand from my initial post. First, the music. With Liam, what I'm saying is that there is no escaping the bullshit between the brothers because Liam endulges in it constantly, not just in interviews and on Twitter but in his music, videos, gigs and documentary. His career is now based around that. It's based around people taking a side, his. It's based on selling his being a poor victim of Noel. I love the music he's making but I'm tired of that being put in my face all the time. He needs to move on. And he's not a victim of anything. With Noel, I'm not talking about his new style. I don't mind it at all. I ALWAYS loved when he tried new things. But those songs are, to me, weak. The song themselves, not the style. Hell he even stole a whole bass line, note by note, for This is the Place. He wasn't so blunt about stealing a part since Cigarettes and Alcohol or Waiting for the Rapture. And given all the times he said he's making this music to piss off Oasis fans and the fact that I feel they're definitely not his best work and feel kind of botched, I'm left wondering if he's making those songs honestly or just as an anti-Oasis statement. Add to that his interviews and promos. He used to be funny and when he played the tongue in cheek arrogant, that was part of his charm as Beady’s Here Now said. But now he sounds like a sour arrogant guy who seems to think he's the best thing since sliced cheese and whom his fans just don't understand. I think that sourness bleeds into the music and that he's actively trying to make music he knows we won't enjoy as a fanbase, not individually. I think he put himself out there with WBTM, which is an amazing album to me, but got pretty frustrated about how his fans reacted especially those who hated it based on the preview he released before the record (he has complained about that several times) and he thought "I'll show you just how 'out there' I can get". That's how I see him right now. Then there's the evolution. mkoasis made a brilliant comparison between BE and SOTSOG. In both cases, Liam and Noel were trying something different, more interesting. In both cases, they were frustrated in how it was received and just fucked it off to go back to basic rock and roll. And I think that is sad. Beady Eye were actually going somewhere interesting, they were 4 very talented individuals. To me, we're now left with Liam putting the whole thing in our face constantly and using it as a marketing tool which becomes really really annoying if you're the kind of person who just don't want to get involved in this (and I know you are, like me, one of those people) and Noel making music to break away from Oasis and tell his fanbase to fuck off. He's no longer in it for the music it seems. And that's sad. We know Noel can do better than and Liam's records are great and would stand out on their own without the anger or nostalgia.
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Post by The Chief on Sept 9, 2019 9:00:05 GMT -5
There you go! www.radiox.co.uk/artists/liam-gallagher/slams-brother-noel-for-slagging-off-young-fans/"When I play those songs it is an incredible thing since the documentary Supersonic came out,” the Oasis songsmith told The Sun. “It has reinvigorated a whole new fan base. The Black Star Dancing singer added: "Sadly they all do turn up to the gigs dressed as Liam with four pairs of sunglasses on, rolling around going ‘I’m mad for it.’ "The new stuff that I am doing, they fucking hate it. Which makes me want to do it more. You little fucking idiot, you are only 15." Talking about the fact many of them would have barely experienced the band the first time around, he said: "What the f***! [They] were only ten when the band broke up. Fuck off."
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