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Post by Sadie on Aug 30, 2019 19:57:13 GMT -5
I'm no audiophile so I've wondered this for a bit. What exactly DID they do to the first 3 albums to consider them as being 'remastered'? I have to admit I've not listened to the original versions from 94-97 in a very long time, but I don't remember hearing any noticeable differences. Can anyone enlighten me?
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Post by parkamonkey93 on Aug 31, 2019 0:13:01 GMT -5
If you're talking about the 2014 reissues they changed the outro on Slide Away where the I don't know, don't care, is not as loud as before, and the drums on Some Might say have slightly less punch, I haven't noticed anything else seeming different.
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Post by MONO on Aug 31, 2019 1:51:50 GMT -5
"Remastering" used to be a thing 30 years ago, because some releases of analogue material on CDs weren't exactly great (limitations of the first converters, usage of inferior tape sources). But quite soon it turned out to be mostly either about grabbing some cash through reissues and not wanting to admit that the main product is basically the same, or -even worse - participating in the loudness war (Which most Oasis releases did from the beginning anyway), not about improving the sound. Remastered reissues that actually improve the sound are very hard to find.
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Post by jupi on Aug 31, 2019 8:40:11 GMT -5
Bit of an OT but the funny thing is, Owen Morris himself came to this forum after the remasters had been announced to tell that he was disappointed for not being given the chance to fix the things he did back then (IIRC he mentioned some issues with de-esser) and how the new remasters weren't as good as he had hoped. He also mentioned that the Mustique tapes had been remastered in full for thw BHN release. I remember clearly that this happened but when I tried to search the posts few years back, they were long gone. Of course it could've been someone trolling, you never know...
Does anyone else remember this?
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Post by glider on Aug 31, 2019 9:26:28 GMT -5
Bit of an OT but the funny thing is, Owen Morris himself came to this forum after the remasters had been announced to tell that he was disappointed for not being given the chance to fix the things he did back then (IIRC he mentioned some issues with de-esser) and how the new remasters weren't as good as he had hoped. He also mentioned that the Mustique tapes had been remastered in full for thw BHN release. I remember clearly that this happened but when I tried to search the posts few years back, they were long gone. Of course it could've been someone trolling, you never know... Does anyone else remember this? Here you go live4ever.proboards.com/post/1107047 |
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Post by Parka Flames on Aug 31, 2019 10:47:09 GMT -5
They definitely used a de-ess on the whole of BHN. I remember thinking Live Forever sounded a bit less brickwalled as well. Other than that I'm not sure.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 31, 2019 10:49:20 GMT -5
We need a remixed Be Here Now, and everything else is foreplay.
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Post by glider on Aug 31, 2019 10:59:12 GMT -5
They definitely used a de-ess on the whole of BHN. I remember thinking Live Forever sounded a bit less brickwalled as well. Other than that I'm not sure. Be Here Now's "remaster" in particular sounded tinny. They de-essed the majority of the high end which resulted in less brightness, but didn't beef up the low-end which resulted in a hollow sound. Basically less treble, louder mids and that was it. |
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Post by Derrick on Aug 31, 2019 12:24:12 GMT -5
"Remastering" used to be a thing 30 years ago, because some releases of analogue material on CDs weren't exactly great (limitations of the first converters, usage of inferior tape sources). But quite soon it turned out to be mostly either about grabbing some cash through reissues and not wanting to admit that the main product is basically the same, or -even worse - participating in the loudness war (Which most Oasis releases did from the beginning anyway), not about improving the sound. Remastered reissues that actually improve the sound are very hard to find. Yes I remember back in 2004 Columbia announced they were remastering Bob Dylan's entire discography, including "Love & theft" which was released less than 3 years before, in 2001. What a scam! Remastering albums that were originally released on CD (i.e. since the '90s) is pointless. They can only remix it. |
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Post by pliolite on Aug 31, 2019 21:05:18 GMT -5
They definitely used a de-ess on the whole of BHN. I remember thinking Live Forever sounded a bit less brickwalled as well. Other than that I'm not sure. Be Here Now's "remaster" in particular sounded tinny. They de-essed the majority of the high end which resulted in less brightness, but didn't beef up the low-end which resulted in a hollow sound. Basically less treble, louder mids and that was it. Exactly what I was thinking, when I was listening to it yesterday. IMO they didn't go back to the analogue tape either, it's just the 1997 digital master, turned down a little bit, with the treble brought under control. It sounds way to mid-heavy as a result. The whole record getting remixed and remastered, from the tapes, could be amazing. |
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Post by MONO on Sept 3, 2019 11:59:35 GMT -5
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 3, 2019 13:19:47 GMT -5
At least Dylan’s lot did remaster Street Legal, bit of an open goal though as the original was utterly appalling |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 3, 2019 20:23:46 GMT -5
Pisses me of that Noel started to edit Be Here Now properly and couldn't be arsed after the first song.
Cheers Noel. We'll just pay for it anyway you lazy old prune.
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 4, 2019 18:23:55 GMT -5
There’s f#ck all difference between the remasters and the originals. If you want the best sounding versions of some of the early songs just stick with the CD singles. They’re definitely less compressed.
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Post by pliolite on Sept 7, 2019 13:56:33 GMT -5
Listening to DBTT atm and it DEFINITELY needs a remix. Stuff like Mucky Fingers is so appalling...who the hell thought it sounded right?? The difference in mix quality between DBTT and DOYS is night and day. DOYS is 100% nailed, mix-wise. Lyla and Idle aside, DBTT sounds like it was mixed in a 2 minute rush.
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Post by glider on Sept 7, 2019 23:32:45 GMT -5
Listening to DBTT atm and it DEFINITELY needs a remix. Stuff like Mucky Fingers is so appalling...who the hell thought it sounded right?? The difference in mix quality between DBTT and DOYS is night and day. DOYS is 100% nailed, mix-wise. Lyla and Idle aside, DBTT sounds like it was mixed in a 2 minute rush. I no longer have the DOYS multitracks that floated around the web several years back but I had basically remixed the album from the ground up with dynamics. I didn't entirely know what I was doing then and now would love to get my hands on them again and do it even better. Sardy's slammed mixes and Ian Cooper's brickwall mastering ruins everything. |
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Post by Manualex on Sept 8, 2019 0:06:18 GMT -5
Listening to DBTT atm and it DEFINITELY needs a remix. Stuff like Mucky Fingers is so appalling...who the hell thought it sounded right?? The difference in mix quality between DBTT and DOYS is night and day. DOYS is 100% nailed, mix-wise. Lyla and Idle aside, DBTT sounds like it was mixed in a 2 minute rush. I no longer have the DOYS multitracks that floated around the web several years back but I had basically remixed the album from the ground up with dynamics. I didn't entirely know what I was doing then and now would love to get my hands on them again and do it even better. Sardy's slammed mixes and Ian Cooper's brickwall mastering ruins everything. Even if you only put the vocals from the multitracks and the promo instrumental cd it has lots of space to breathe. I think I did Falling Down, The Turning and Shock of the Lightning before stopping because Soundcloud didnt liked that I shared that stuff over there. But still have my own personal mix of The Turning somewhere in my pc. |
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Post by pliolite on Sept 8, 2019 7:29:25 GMT -5
I no longer have the DOYS multitracks that floated around the web several years back but I had basically remixed the album from the ground up with dynamics. I didn't entirely know what I was doing then and now would love to get my hands on them again and do it even better. Sardy's slammed mixes and Ian Cooper's brickwall mastering ruins everything. Even if you only put the vocals from the multitracks and the promo instrumental cd it has lots of space to breathe. I think I did Falling Down, The Turning and Shock of the Lightning before stopping because Soundcloud didnt liked that I shared that stuff over there. But still have my own personal mix of The Turning somewhere in my pc. Feel free to DM any of this stuff to me, if you've got it. Would absolutely love to hear!  |
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Post by Manualex on Sept 8, 2019 10:24:49 GMT -5
Even if you only put the vocals from the multitracks and the promo instrumental cd it has lots of space to breathe. I think I did Falling Down, The Turning and Shock of the Lightning before stopping because Soundcloud didnt liked that I shared that stuff over there. But still have my own personal mix of The Turning somewhere in my pc. Feel free to DM any of this stuff to me, if you've got it. Would absolutely love to hear! You can check out my Soundcloud account if see if my Turning mix is still there, besides this remix my account has some barebones ideas that werent worked further than what you see in there so apologies in advance. Its either manualex16 or manualex my internet conection is so shit that I cant upload anything anywhere at the moment. It was removed. Whenever I have the right conection I Might upload it there or else where. |
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Sept 26, 2019 12:50:37 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for MFSL have remaster all oasis catalog.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 28, 2019 15:26:10 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for MFSL have remaster all oasis catalog. Waiting for what? |
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