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Post by alwaysnow on Aug 16, 2019 9:24:56 GMT -5
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Aug 16, 2019 9:52:20 GMT -5
So after listening to the itunes download last night and again this morning, I'll say this:
How is it possible that with a freaking Oscar winner at the helm (Andrew Wyatt) can we not get better lyrics than these??
I LOVE the production but the majority of the lyrics are so basic Liam - SOTSOG era, not the guy that wrote I'm Outta Time or Bold.
For the guy that is always harping on Liam not writing his lyrics, I call bull. These are DEFINITELY LG lyrics, shame AW could not get more out of him or simply didn't try to.
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Post by walrus91 on Aug 16, 2019 9:59:44 GMT -5
So after listening to the itunes download last night and again this morning, I'll say this: How is it possible that with a freaking Oscar winner at the helm (Andrew Wyatt) can we not get better lyrics than these?? I LOVE the production but the majority of the lyrics are so basic Liam - SOTSOG era, not the guy that wrote I'm Outta Time or Bold. For the guy that is always harping on Liam not writing his lyrics, I call bull. These are DEFINITELY LG lyrics, shame AW could not get more out of him or simply didn't try to. I enjoyed the lyrics. Fits the melody well .. good song.. Seems to have gotten very good response so far online from casual fans .... Good single.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 16, 2019 10:16:50 GMT -5
So after listening to the itunes download last night and again this morning, I'll say this: How is it possible that with a freaking Oscar winner at the helm (Andrew Wyatt) can we not get better lyrics than these?? I LOVE the production but the majority of the lyrics are so basic Liam - SOTSOG era, not the guy that wrote I'm Outta Time or Bold. For the guy that is always harping on Liam not writing his lyrics, I call bull. These are DEFINITELY LG lyrics, shame AW could not get more out of him or simply didn't try to. well liam said in that podcast with clint boon that with this album he wrote songs then passed them on to others to rework them so I guess it's possible this is one of those and Liam is largely responsible for the lyrics. Either way I don't find the lyrics bad at all. Liam has sung songs with far worse lyrics before, both written by himself and others .
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Aug 16, 2019 10:25:27 GMT -5
So after listening to the itunes download last night and again this morning, I'll say this: How is it possible that with a freaking Oscar winner at the helm (Andrew Wyatt) can we not get better lyrics than these?? I LOVE the production but the majority of the lyrics are so basic Liam - SOTSOG era, not the guy that wrote I'm Outta Time or Bold. For the guy that is always harping on Liam not writing his lyrics, I call bull. These are DEFINITELY LG lyrics, shame AW could not get more out of him or simply didn't try to. well liam said in that podcast with clint boon that with this album he wrote songs then passed them on to others to rework them so I guess it's possible this is one of those and Liam is largely responsible for the lyrics. Either way I don't find the lyrics bad at all. Liam has sung songs with far worse lyrics before, both written by himself and others . Oh I agree, it just seems like they could've done some more to improve on them a bit more. I disagreed with Weller when he called AYW "pony" but that term fits this tune IMO. That being said the music side of it is lovely and a welcome departure of the standard LG production.
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Post by Plantpot on Aug 16, 2019 10:48:15 GMT -5
It has been well documented since the year 2000 that Liam's lyrical canon consists mostly of elementary rhymes paired with Beatles references and, at least most recently, digs at Noel and ex-wives. In actuality, this has become elemental to Liam's brand. In my view, it seems somewhat paradoxical for fans to gripe about Liam's lyrics if they are fundamental to his music. For comparison sake, it would be like Morrissey fans complaining about how his lyrics are way too multifaceted. Just a thought.
Cheers.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 16, 2019 10:50:55 GMT -5
It has been well documented since the year 2000 that Liam's lyrical canon consists mostly of elementary rhymes paired with Beatles references and, at least most recently, digs at Noel and ex-wives. In actuality, this has become elemental to Liam's brand. In my view, it seems somewhat paradoxical for fans to gripe about Liam's lyrics if they are fundamental to his music. For comparison sake, it would be like Morrissey fans complaining about how his lyrics are way too multifaceted. Just a thought. Cheers.
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Aug 16, 2019 11:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by mancraider on Aug 16, 2019 11:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by oasis6 on Aug 16, 2019 11:33:56 GMT -5
I like it, but i cant tell if its my favourite or least favourite of the 4. And I absolutely hear Violet Hill. It was a long and dark December.... K fuck me this is my favourite of the bunch. The Interstate Love Song riff might be the best part, such an earworm.
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Post by MONO on Aug 16, 2019 11:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by davitpr on Aug 16, 2019 11:44:33 GMT -5
Who needs Noel when Andrew Wyatt is killing it? He's making Liam sound fresh and current without trying too hard to be something else. I love every song so far and Wyatt deserves a lot of credit.
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Aug 16, 2019 13:09:04 GMT -5
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Post by vespa on Aug 16, 2019 13:09:04 GMT -5
Liam pens the lyrics and the basics of the songs then these guys polish them up
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Post by bt95 on Aug 16, 2019 13:52:49 GMT -5
well liam said in that podcast with clint boon that with this album he wrote songs then passed them on to others to rework them so I guess it's possible this is one of those and Liam is largely responsible for the lyrics. Either way I don't find the lyrics bad at all. Liam has sung songs with far worse lyrics before, both written by himself and others . Oh I agree, it just seems like they could've done some more to improve on them a bit more. I disagreed with Weller when he called AYW "pony" but that term fits this tune IMO. That being said the music side of it is lovely and a welcome departure of the standard LG production. You know, just as an aside, Weller didn't actually call 'AYW' pony. He specifically called the lyrics in Chinatown pony. Another example of people reading a headline and nothing else (not saying you did this, btw).
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Post by bt95 on Aug 16, 2019 13:54:07 GMT -5
Who needs Noel when Andrew Wyatt is killing it? He's making Liam sound fresh and current without trying too hard to be something else. I love every song so far and Wyatt deserves a lot of credit. Who co-wrote Shockwave and Once? Because both of those are trying very hard to be something and failing miserably imo. But yes, The River and One Of Us (Wyatt co-written) are the best of the lot imo - and this one paticularly I really like.
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Post by LlAM on Aug 16, 2019 14:20:36 GMT -5
Apparently Noel's legal team have noticed how similar the chorus is to the bridge in The Dying Of The Light and are now suing him...
...for not following it up with a proper chorus 😂😂
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Aug 16, 2019 14:25:48 GMT -5
Oh I agree, it just seems like they could've done some more to improve on them a bit more. I disagreed with Weller when he called AYW "pony" but that term fits this tune IMO. That being said the music side of it is lovely and a welcome departure of the standard LG production. You know, just as an aside, Weller didn't actually call 'AYW' pony. He specifically called the lyrics in Chinatown pony. Another example of people reading a headline and nothing else (not saying you did this, btw). I remember reading about it in an article posted here or reddit, I don't recall which one TBH but it was something like the one below. It said "tracks" not specifically Chinatown which would definitely change the meaning of his comment.
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Post by Jim on Aug 16, 2019 14:36:02 GMT -5
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Aug 16, 2019 15:10:20 GMT -5
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Post by yeayeayeah on Aug 16, 2019 15:10:20 GMT -5
More than any other song, it sounds like Liam is singing someone else's song. Nice enough song but it just lacks authenticity.
Edit- after a couple more listens, I really like it. The production fits well and I'm digging the outro. I would love to know how these songs were written. The "In time" part sounds very much like a Liam melody.
Only song I'm not into is Shockwave. Good shit, Liam!!!!
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Aug 16, 2019 15:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by yeayeayeah on Aug 16, 2019 15:15:02 GMT -5
Argh. That's bad. Worst second album tune so far. F***ing radio-friendly production. Is Liam now into pop? You realize Oasis was pop in the 90s right? I think he is into selling songs and keeping a music career. Getting to the top of the charts doesn't make you pop. Take That were pop, Oasis not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 15:30:56 GMT -5
Oasis biggest hits in the 90's had many pop influences and could, with good reason, be called pop (Wonderwall and DLBIA), there's no way to go around that. That, however, does not make it a pop band on the whole, because calling them only that would be selling them sort. Pop Rock might be what i would ultimately call them in terms of genre.
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Post by oneofus on Aug 16, 2019 15:42:03 GMT -5
I really enjoy the backend of the song. It has a kind of a Verve vibe to it.
After ready alot of the comments, it seems Liams harshest critics are on this thread.
The majority of Instagram/twitter and Facebook have written positive comments about the track. It's strange, you would think that on an Oasis fanpage forum it would be the opposite and the majority of hate would come from those other outlets.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 16, 2019 15:45:52 GMT -5
I really enjoy the backend of the song. It has a kind of a Verve vibe to it. After ready alot of the comments, it seems Liams harshest critics are on this thread. The majority of Instagram/twitter and Facebook have written positive comments about the track. It's strange, you would think that on an Oasis fanpage forum it would be the opposite and the majority of hate would come from those other outlets. problem is exactly that. This an Oasis fan site and unfortunately the Oasis fan base is in the same state as the band, with many firmly in the Liam or Noel camps. It's always the same whenever one releases new music.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 16, 2019 15:52:04 GMT -5
You know, just as an aside, Weller didn't actually call 'AYW' pony. He specifically called the lyrics in Chinatown pony. Another example of people reading a headline and nothing else (not saying you did this, btw). I remember reading about it in an article posted here or reddit, I don't recall which one TBH but it was something like the one below. It said "tracks" not specifically Chinatown which would definitely change the meaning of his comment.
I think the other one may have been FWIW. I remember watching the interview is all. And the question was asked specifically about Chinatown. I'm pretty sure it was before AYW had even come out?
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Post by yeayeayeah on Aug 16, 2019 15:56:15 GMT -5
Oasis biggest hits in the 90's had many pop influences and could, with good reason, be called pop (Wonderwall and DLBIA), there's no way to go around that. That, however, does not make it a pop band on the whole, because calling them only that would be selling them sort. Pop Rock might be what i would ultimately call them in terms of genre. It's how you define Pop. I get what you're saying but they are pop in the same way the Beatles can be called pop. Which is completely different to say the pop of Backstreet Boys. The original post was referring to the 2019 sounding production, which this song definitely has to some degree.
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Aug 16, 2019 16:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by mancraider on Aug 16, 2019 16:09:51 GMT -5
These songs are written with and produced by pop writers/producers. I don't see how or why anybody would be surprised or try and argue that they weren't rock influence pop songs. At the moment Liam is still chasing his audience that he lost after Oasis so I get why he is trying to appeal to as many as possible. I guess the true test will come when he has plateaued and is just treading water churning out albums. Will he carry on with the pop influence or retreat back to more basic rock and roll music? Having said that, the stuff he is doing now sounds f all like the backstreet boys. It's what oasis would sound like if they went down the Coldplay path imo.
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