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Post by standbymoi on Jul 6, 2019 16:04:56 GMT -5
I reckon if I got the chance to meet Andy, I’d probably ask him to sign my HC album, purely for the memories of it’s release and the fact he played on those 4 great singles.
And also the BE album, he did some cool sounds and tunes on that I thought, even though people say some of the lyrics are a bit iffy
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Post by matt on Jul 6, 2019 16:23:48 GMT -5
he didnt fit oasis, that is right imo. Andy and Gem for the most part brought nothing new to the table and their contributions were mostly always the weakest aspects of the albums. They probably only wrote two or three decent tunes between them over three albums. Noels hopes of a "creative injection" just didnt happen. Their songs were just average at best. Gem gets somewhat of a pass for being a great guitarist and managed to play oasis songs with the original spirit. Saying that, I would choose bonehead anyday to be in oasis. I prefer his style over Gems skill and I would much rather have Noel on lead.
Andy bell is just boring tbh. There is really nothing that I can point at go "that was amazing".
The punk ethos of Bonehead trumps Gem any day of the week. The ‘turn it up to 11’ and thrash the guitar approach is what made the Oasis sound. Reckless abandon and a raw primitive feel just added to the authenticity. Gem’s style is just sanitised and extremely dull. He is not a ‘great guitarist’. Perhaps technically proficient but no heart, no soul and no character and adds precisely nothing to Oasis. It’s about the right style and the right sound - Bonehead had that in abundance. ‘True perfection has to be imperfect’ - you kind of get what Noel meant with that lyric. As in terms of creativity, the only way Oasis could have got that ‘creative injection’ was for Noel to bring in people who challenged his world view to change his sound completely. Gem and Andy only propped up the complacencies of Noel by producing fourth rate knock offs of his style. There’s only so much Oasis could live off that adrenaline and aggression of the 1990s before it slowed down. True solo genius rarely exists in music (even amongst the great solo artists who received creative guidance from producers) and creative devils advocate to accompany the songwriting process would have pushed Oasis into a direction that, while not ever going to reach the peak of their glory years (what would though?), would have at least provided an intriguing and compelling ‘second act’ in the career of Oasis. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 6, 2019 16:35:16 GMT -5
he didnt fit oasis, that is right imo. Andy and Gem for the most part brought nothing new to the table and their contributions were mostly always the weakest aspects of the albums. They probably only wrote two or three decent tunes between them over three albums. Noels hopes of a "creative injection" just didnt happen. Their songs were just average at best. Gem gets somewhat of a pass for being a great guitarist and managed to play oasis songs with the original spirit. Saying that, I would choose bonehead anyday to be in oasis. I prefer his style over Gems skill and I would much rather have Noel on lead.
Andy bell is just boring tbh. There is really nothing that I can point at go "that was amazing".
The punk ethos of Bonehead trumps Gem any day of the week. The ‘turn it up to 11’ and thrash the guitar approach is what made the Oasis sound. Reckless abandon and a raw primitive feel just added to the authenticity. Gem’s style is just sanitised and extremely dull. He is not a ‘great guitarist’. Perhaps technically proficient but no heart, no soul and no character and adds precisely nothing to Oasis. It’s about the right style and the right sound - Bonehead had that in abundance. As in terms of creativity, the only way Oasis could have got that ‘creative injection’ was for Noel to bring in people who challenged his world view to change his sound completely. Gem and Andy only propped up the complacencies of Noel by producing fourth rate knock offs of his style. Spot on. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 6, 2019 16:43:09 GMT -5
I'm gonna definitely check the album. Thanks Jim. I loved Andy's guitar work for Hurricane#1. Just brilliant. |
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Post by durk on Jul 6, 2019 18:28:31 GMT -5
I'm gonna definitely check the album. Thanks Jim. I loved Andy's guitar work for Hurricane#1. Just brilliant. just drummed to three Hurricane #1 tracks a hour ago  |
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Post by Bellboy on Jul 6, 2019 18:43:38 GMT -5
Bellboy!!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 7, 2019 13:09:01 GMT -5
Who the fuck
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 7, 2019 13:09:16 GMT -5
is Andy Bell?
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Post by LlAM on Jul 8, 2019 5:56:38 GMT -5
- Made Gem a member but not let him write for the band (his songs are way worse than Andy’s IMO.) - Have Noel writing all but one album track from Liam. I don't understand why you would place those restrictions on the songwriting? Noel picked the songs. He didn't have to pick any number from anybody. . Royalties |
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Post by yogurt on Jul 10, 2019 4:41:36 GMT -5
Something about Andy's bass playing always rubbed me the wrong way, he was clearly a guitarist playing bass rather than a bassist (no shit). There's a video of them in 2009 playing a festival and Andy's using a capo on his bass which is the most pointless endeavour ever. People like to shit on Guigs' supposed lack of bass ability but that man had groove and a killer tone live; something I feel that Andy lacked. Listen to Maine Road or the White Room performances to see what I mean, his bass was a perfect layer for Noel and Bonehead's wall of guitar. Andy's bass tone never seemed to have any defintion and he didn't play the bassline for DLBIA that Guigs played live that IMO is really good and it's a shame you can't hear it on the record; it's simple but makes the chords just flow that extra bit. PS: has anyone noticed the little bass solo/groovy thing at the end of Fade in/out? (from like 5:40 onwards) its cool as fuck! To be fair, you can’t just criticise him for his bass tone, it’s basically guitar techs that build the rig, with the player of course but it must’ve been what the band were happy with. I doubt Noel would’ve let it slide if he didn’t think it was working |
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Post by yogurt on Jul 10, 2019 4:49:31 GMT -5
He’s a good solid musician but never really seemed to fit oasis. I think it’s party because he was in a critically acclaimed and respected band like Ride and 10 years later he was just a replacement for Guigsy, it just didn’t seem right. Although he did have Hurricane#1 in the middle of that but still..
As for his and Gem’s contribution to writing, it seemed both were just trying to write what they thought would fit Oasis rather than what is natural to them and it always come across like a pastiche of something else, but weren’t most later Oasis songs anyway?
Maybe Andy Bell suffered from the direction Oasis went, rubbish like HC and DBTT. Had they went in a different direction and experimented more, maybe Andy could’ve brought more to the table.
As for Gem, you only have to listen to Heavy Stereo to know he wasn’t going to bring much to Oasis in a creative manner, but he was a decent guitarist that played the role well. Although the songs are easy to play, it’s not always easy finding the right person to play them properly, look at Liam’s band for example:
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Post by Flashbax on Jul 10, 2019 6:03:25 GMT -5
I would just like to say this:
A Quick Peep
Thank You for the Good Times
Turn Up the Sun
Keep the Dream Alive
The Nature of Reality
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Post by mkoasis on Jul 13, 2019 20:17:17 GMT -5
My answer would be yes, definitely. He may not have been on his “A game” like in Ride’s early 90s prime but I can definitely cut the guy a break. We all lose our streak at some point and it takes time to get back that momentum.
Over the course of nearly 10 years, Andy brought:
A quick peep - just a harmless little jaunty instrumental
Thank you for the good times - fine for b-side material
Turn up the sun - I think most love this one
Keep the dream alive - didn’t live up to its potential
The nature of reality - melody is awkward but instrumentally fine
So not brilliant but far from poor IMO. Largely average with some real good moments (TUTS live)
5 songs, all album tracks or b-sides, is definitely not significant enough to tarnish the band’s output. Whatever problems you can identify in that domain (poor tracklistiby choices, for instance) lay out of Andy’s hands.
Moreover, we don’t know too much about the inside story of Andy’s songwriting efforts. What I mean is what the process what like, what the expectations were besides to write Oasis-like songs (which would have put limitations on him as he’s trying to write in someone else’s style).
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jul 14, 2019 23:30:18 GMT -5
I hated Noel for telling that stupid Story about Andy counting his shoes during the Fight. Why should Andy Take any side. I guess He was just annoyed because it happened again. And so many people on here jumped on that train.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 15, 2019 1:52:07 GMT -5
I hated Noel for telling that stupid Story about Andy counting his shoes during the Fight. Why should Andy Take any side. I guess He was just annoyed because it happened again. And so many people on here jumped on that train. I guess he was hoping for some kind of support since he chose him and Gem for the band. Doubt Liam had a say in this. Credits to Andy for bringing the bass up in Oasis, though. It was nowhere to be seen before in their live shows, and when Andy joined, it made their sound evolve a bit, even though he was really a guitar player. the SOTSOG tour was good musically. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jul 15, 2019 2:00:56 GMT -5
I hated Noel for telling that stupid Story about Andy counting his shoes during the Fight. Why should Andy Take any side. I guess He was just annoyed because it happened again. And so many people on here jumped on that train. I guess he was hoping for some kind of support since he chose him and Gem for the band. Doubt Liam had a say in this. Credits to Andy for bringing the bass up in Oasis, though. It was nowhere to be seen before in their live shows, and when Andy joined, it made their sound evolve a bit, even though he was really a guitar player. the SOTSOG tour was good musically. I like andy bell. Seems like a nice guy and great musician. His (and gems) personality was just to mellow compared to the gallagher brothers but who knows... Maybe oasis would have imploded long before if these two guys were not that calm. |
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Post by Aman on Jul 16, 2019 3:04:03 GMT -5
NO PERSONALITY.
SHIT SONGS.
Not for me Clive.
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Post by glider on Jul 16, 2019 3:58:23 GMT -5
Lennon2217 summed it up earlier. The Andy Bell they hired was past his prime, coming off a hit and miss Britpop band Hurricane #1 and who'd spent their (at the time) final days with Ride releasing a couple of poor Britpop LPs compared to the two classics preceding them. You hire Andy for a session bass player role with a demand to write several songs for the band in a genre that never fit him creatively. You weren't getting the best of him and unfortunately his public image amongst Oasis fans suffered, so now everyone thinks he's a talentless hack. Post Oasis and Beady Eye, Andy finally found himself again after being free of Gallagher commitments and hopefully Oasis fans can see what the real Andy Bell has to offer. I just re-listened to Weather Diaries and it's an outstanding comeback record.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 4:20:41 GMT -5
I hated Noel for telling that stupid Story about Andy counting his shoes during the Fight. Why should Andy Take any side. I guess He was just annoyed because it happened again. And so many people on here jumped on that train. I guess he was hoping for some kind of support since he chose him and Gem for the band. Doubt Liam had a say in this.Credits to Andy for bringing the bass up in Oasis, though. It was nowhere to be seen before in their live shows, and when Andy joined, it made their sound evolve a bit, even though he was really a guitar player. the SOTSOG tour was good musically. Actually Paul Gallagher suggested to Liam that they should consider Andy Bell, and the next day Andy joined Oasis. Paul told the story here. |
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Post by andymorris on Jul 16, 2019 4:40:57 GMT -5
I guess he was hoping for some kind of support since he chose him and Gem for the band. Doubt Liam had a say in this.Credits to Andy for bringing the bass up in Oasis, though. It was nowhere to be seen before in their live shows, and when Andy joined, it made their sound evolve a bit, even though he was really a guitar player. the SOTSOG tour was good musically. Actually Paul Gallagher suggested to Liam that they should consider Andy Bell, and the next day Andy joined Oasis. Paul told the story here. Nice, did not know that |
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