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Post by The Escapist on Jun 14, 2019 13:25:18 GMT -5
The Escapist I don't know man, I posted that Liam 's music doesn't fit in the current music scene and made an hyperbolic example of reggaeton videos and you went on about how I dismiss the whole hip hop scene as garbage and how it's beneath me or something when I never said that. Only that I dont like it and don't listen to it I have no idea why we are still arguing about this but ok. Yes, you win. Peace out ✌️ Let's hope Liam next video capture the masses No, you actually did say that you had to have girls in bikinis to have a popular video now. Which is condescending, and wrong, and I said so. I don't wanna get into an argument either, but I am right and I will stand by it. We can leave it there, though. Back to Liam, I think simplicity is the key for his videos. You don't need concepts or journeys, his songs aren't meaningful in that way, all you need to do is make him look as cool as possible and have him sing the song. He's the brand, put the focus entirely on him. Wall of Glass nailed it first time. <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="4.860000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 17.91999999999996px; height: 4.860000000000014px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88853270" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="4.860000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 17.92px; height: 4.86px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 842px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_61344178" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="4.860000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 17.92px; height: 4.86px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 182px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_81697031" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="4.860000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 17.92px; height: 4.86px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 842px; top: 182px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_22632580" scrolling="no"></iframe>
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Jun 14, 2019 16:44:19 GMT -5
Why is anyone of the impression that liam is trying to attract new fans and are equating his current needs to people who make music for pop culture in America? His focus is trying to attract the 10 million people who bought morning glory to his music. He’s unashamedly retro and it works. Any “new” fan he attracts are gonna buy right into the whole package. And his video schtick is walking moodily. He’s not Kendrick. He’s not a social commentator. Never will be. It’s a mistake to think that Liam isn’t trying to attract new fans and that he’s only a nostalgia act. Thats exactly what he’s trying to do and he seems to be doing it very successfully. You only need to look at the crowds he’s pulling at most festivals to see that the majority are under 25s screaming back to him the lyrics to WOG. A better video would serve him better. He’s certainly not a social commentator and a Kendrick or Childish style video doesn’t gel. Escapist said it best in the post directly above.
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Post by thewhiteshadow on Jun 15, 2019 4:32:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I do, to be honest. People are probably gonna give it the old "only the chooooooonnnn matters!" but that's, y'know, not true. Childish Gambino was a massive star in 2018 basically off the strength of his videos. Giving your song visuals that add to the meaning or make it look cool or just make people want to watch/listen again is important when songs get multiple billion views on YouTube. Obviously Liam will never reach that, but still, a strong video can undoubtedly help. Wall of Glass was perfect. Simple premise, great execution, made me want to watch a few times and share with the people I know. Shockwave is just...I don't know. Not very hype. That's how you do a video with a burning house. Wtf is this shit music
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Post by mossy on Jun 15, 2019 4:59:34 GMT -5
The Escapist I don't know man, I posted that Liam 's music doesn't fit in the current music scene and made an hyperbolic example of reggaeton videos and you went on about how I dismiss the whole hip hop scene as garbage and how it's beneath me or something when I never said that. Only that I dont like it and don't listen to it I have no idea why we are still arguing about this but ok. Yes, you win. Peace out ✌️ Let's hope Liam next video capture the masses No, you actually did say that you had to have girls in bikinis to have a popular video now. Which is condescending, and wrong, and I said so. I don't wanna get into an argument either, but I am right and I will stand by it. We can leave it there, though. Back to Liam, I think simplicity is the key for his videos. You don't need concepts or journeys, his songs aren't meaningful in that way, all you need to do is make him look as cool as possible and have him sing the song. He's the brand, put the focus entirely on him. Wall of Glass nailed it first time. <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="4.860000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 17.91999999999996px; height: 4.860000000000014px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88853270" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="4.860000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 17.92px; height: 4.86px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 842px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_61344178" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="4.860000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 17.92px; height: 4.86px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 182px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_81697031" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="4.860000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 17.92px; height: 4.86px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 842px; top: 182px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_22632580" scrolling="no"></iframe> eva, The Escapist, you both know in your hearts that the only way you’re going to bring this argument to an end is with a naked mud wrestle. X
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Jun 15, 2019 5:17:20 GMT -5
thoughts on this?
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 15, 2019 5:25:35 GMT -5
That's how you do a video with a burning house. Wtf is this shit music Ask mystoryisgory, he considers that album a classic.
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Post by liamsparka on Jun 15, 2019 9:47:51 GMT -5
I must be in the minority but I think the Shockwave video is pretty cool, love the nod to Ashcroft, love the strut and the walk into the crowd with signs of the lyrics ......plus as a song it really stands up for me, playing wall of glass straight after it and I want shockwave on again!
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Post by pedrobrasil on Jun 15, 2019 10:55:16 GMT -5
Cool vídeo,great song!The king is on top of his game!Who could believe after beady eye that he would be that big again?
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Post by captaincrankshaft on Jun 15, 2019 12:49:48 GMT -5
I think the video is alright. It’s what I expected it to be - we’re only ever gonna get them walking about/standing around and singing into the camera in different locations. Never gonna be any deep meaning to any of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:13:28 GMT -5
If Liam wants to be a huge star doing massive streaming numbers he needs to start by being 20 years younger, not by making different music videos. Going from playing 1,500 capacity venues with Beady Eye to a sold out Finsbury Park apparently isn't enough for some people. Bizarre.
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Post by garys on Jun 15, 2019 14:18:23 GMT -5
Liam is Liam...for those who like Liam. I like Liam. HEY!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 15:26:30 GMT -5
Liam is Liam...for those who like Liam. I like Liam. HEY! He's coming round like a middle-aged man with a thyroid condition Hey!
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Post by Aman on Jun 15, 2019 18:32:56 GMT -5
The song isn't strong enough is the reason not the shit video.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 19:17:59 GMT -5
Liam is Liam...for those who like Liam. I like Liam. HEY! He's coming round like a middle-aged man with a thyroid condition Hey! And still is cool as fuck, hey! Has a look and a vibe that most lads can only dream of, hey! And the voice, don’t even get me started on what the voice can do, hey!
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Post by garys on Jun 15, 2019 19:28:28 GMT -5
Liam is Liam...for those who like Liam. I like Liam. HEY! He's coming round like a middle-aged man with a thyroid condition Hey! Liam is a middle aged man Liam has a thyroid condition I like Liam Hey!
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jun 15, 2019 21:01:24 GMT -5
I guess the question for me here is: Why? Hasn't been 1991 since like a couple hours ago...at least
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Post by garys on Jun 15, 2019 21:41:01 GMT -5
Liam is Liam...for those who like Liam. I like Liam. HEY! He's coming round like a middle-aged man with a thyroid condition Hey! Liam is a middle age man with the #22 single Liam has a thyroid condition and the #1 physical single People like Liam
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jun 16, 2019 1:20:26 GMT -5
DAMN. is definitely a classic. Sure, we're not gonna remember it as well as Good Kid, MAAD City, or To Pimp a Butterfly, but the mix of the crude and sophisticated, the blunt and the subtle, and the aggressive and contemplative in songs like ELEMENT is why we're still gonna remember Kendrick Lamar 100 years later.
I'm not sure how much effort I'm willing to put into trying to convince an Oasis forum of its brilliance, though. Generational gaps suck.
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Post by themightyme on Jun 16, 2019 23:07:35 GMT -5
At least his videos are better than Noel’s
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Post by glastonburt on Jun 19, 2019 3:06:27 GMT -5
Please try to write a less predictable and lazy comment. At least try. Yes, we all know and fully understand that you hate ''raggeaton shit'' and the ''current music scene'' that you apparently know a lot about. Very interesting. As I have already written in another thread: Liam has proven to Warner that he can sell tickets, that he can sell out stadiums, that he can attract sponsors, and that there is a good return on investing in him. He has also had two years to build up a decent following on Youtube, Facebook, Instagram (and, since earlier, Twitter). Despite this, he cannot seem to improve on the chart position from last time. I imagine they invested more cash in the songwriting this time(?), now that the investors already have the evidence available that Liam is a decent investment and now that he has already established himself as a solo artist? Or maybe I am wrong. But maybe Warner just want to play it safe and not make any risky moves at all, and maybe their only priority is to ensure that every hardcore fan buys a ticket for the upcoming tour (and possibly a Stone Island parka). I don't know. But I hope the next single has a better video that aims also for a broader audience. I know many people who liked several songs on As You Were, but would never have heard about it if I didn't play them. I know for a fact that none of them would ever watch a video of Liam walking around in a Stone Island parka making pistol signs. Why not try something new? Are the Warner people that afraid of taking risks? Do you not think that the enormous global brand of Warner, which obviously has brilliant marketing minds, might have a better understanding/idea than you do regarding how to attract the most people to LG content... You’re acting like they’ve done something adverse to his success with this video; and that’s absolutely bonkers. I disagree. Capitalist firms and shareholders in partnership with artists often choose strategies with low risk and a high return, instead of strategies with a higher risk and even greater return (if successful). That’s basic industrial organization theory and the empirical evidence supports this view. It’s not really ”bonkers” to think that Warner thinks that way, it’s simply a quite plausible strategy for risk averse investors and shareholders. Is it bonkers to point out that e.g. private capitalist firms do not invest, and historically have not invested, enough money in R&D for revolutionary new drugs (most huge breakthrough drugs have resulted from government funded basic research). They spend most R&D money on lifestyle drugs. However, in that case, I guess it’s more about positive externalities that are not captured by individual private agents. But the main point remains: Market actors often choose strategies that are good for risk averse or risk neutral shareholders, but there is no law saying that this is the best strategy for Liam in the long run. Of course, it’s better than not having any partnership with Warner at all. But he might still have gained more if Warner chose another strategy. I guess this was actually what endstation tried to say, if reading the comment carefully.
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Post by glastonburt on Jun 19, 2019 4:05:22 GMT -5
It amazes me that people who completely wall themselves off from a scene feel confident enough to make dismissive statements about that same modern culture. I mean, look at the most popular video of the past few years, This is America. It's a rap song, and the video is one of the most symbolic and powerful pieces of popular culture you're gonna get. Bad Guy is the hottest video of the year, and it's dark and weird, showing female sexuality in a light-hearted but empowering way. Last year HUMBLE was incredibly hyped, and that video was fantastic. Jay-Z's video for The Story of OJ got tens of millions of views, and it's one of the most meaningful and memorable videos I've seen. They're creative, and interesting. And I know people who hate pop music despise it, but even (brace yourself) sexy female dancers (argh! boobs! the degradation of all society!) can be shown in artistic ways, with good choreography that conveys some of the meaning of the song - look at Sicko Mode, or Runaway. I'm not saying you have to like the current music scene, you can like whatever you want, and you're right that a lot of it is cookie-cooker rubbish, but you're missing out on a lot of great art by telling yourself that what's popular now must automatically be trash. that just feels like cheap explotation to me so I don't like hip hop. or rap. so what? if you enjoy it, that's ok. I don't have to like it, it doesn't appeal to me. I watched the video of This is America when it came out and it's just... ok? it's no the type of music that I can stand for more than 30 seconds. also, what's popular in the US or Europe is very different to what's popular over here so we might be talking about different kind of trash see my latest comment above
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 19, 2019 11:43:56 GMT -5
Do you not think that the enormous global brand of Warner, which obviously has brilliant marketing minds, might have a better understanding/idea than you do regarding how to attract the most people to LG content... You’re acting like they’ve done something adverse to his success with this video; and that’s absolutely bonkers. I disagree. Capitalist firms and shareholders in partnership with artists often choose strategies with low risk and a high return, instead of strategies with a higher risk and even greater return (if successful). That’s basic industrial organization theory and the empirical evidence supports this view. It’s not really ”bonkers” to think that Warner thinks that way, it’s simply a quite plausible strategy for risk averse investors and shareholders. Is it bonkers to point out that e.g. private capitalist firms do not invest, and historically have not invested, enough money in R&D for revolutionary new drugs (most huge breakthrough drugs have resulted from government funded basic research). They spend most R&D money on lifestyle drugs. However, in that case, I guess it’s more about positive externalities that are not captured by individual private agents. But the main point remains: Market actors often choose strategies that are good for risk averse or risk neutral shareholders, but there is no law saying that this is the best strategy for Liam in the long run. Of course, it’s better than not having any partnership with Warner at all. But he might still have gained more if Warner chose another strategy. I guess this was actually what endstation tried to say, if reading the comment carefully. You’re welcome to disagree. However, my comment was that the minds at Warner know better than the OP how to market an artist (they do). And to think they purposely made a bad video with the knowledge or intention it would reach less people is bonkers/idiotic. The video is fine. It has about 725,000 views in less than a week and the song (without the video) had over 600,000. There’s NEVER going to be an enormous, genre-crossing, worldwide reaction to a Liam Gallagher music video. What he achieved in terms of the comeback/new generation of fans during the As You Were era was a greater accomplishment than anyone in his inner circle or fans would’ve dreamed of. Warner deserves credit for the way they marketed his solo debut and they’ll do their best to get the similar results this time around.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jun 19, 2019 13:26:35 GMT -5
As a general observation, I've said for years that it seems to be the Americans on this forum who place a ridiculous emphasis on sales, charts and now YouTube video views.
Liam's target demographic isn't the type of people who watch or care about music videos. He isn't going to attract new fans that way, he'll do that through interviews, live performances, etc.
Quite frankly the Wall of Glass video was fucking shite anyway, anyone who thinks that played a significant role in the comeback is deluded. The Noisey (I think?) video of him telling stories in the park did far more for his profile than a video of him examining mirrors.
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