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Post by vespa on Jun 11, 2019 2:36:43 GMT -5
It’s well documented that liams gripes are with his wife there’s a lot of rumours around that she caused the split , the issuer on the last tour etc but I don’t think for one minute they haven’t spoke or seen each other, they play the media very well
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Post by rebus on Jun 11, 2019 9:00:07 GMT -5
Noel's never really commented on this (and probably can't for legal reasons, if it looks like Noel abandoned Oasis gigs because he wanted to go solo that could be tricky), but I look at the following chain of events: - Noel discovering enjoying singing his songs on his own on stage with TIOBI in 2005 - Liams voice being well and truly in the gutter in 2006/7 - Noel doing a bunch of really well received solo gigs in 2006/7 - Liam not being arsed to finish the album properly in 2007 ...it's not hard to imagine Noel looking for a way out and seeing Oasis as more of a hindrance than a help. Once you're already in that mindset, you'll take any excuse/make an argument out of anything. It's a shame that they've apparently had such a dramatic personal falling out as a result, but the musical trajectory had a certain inevitability about it I think. If you want to pick "a moment" when Oasis died, I'd pick Glastonbury '04. Excellent post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 9:17:57 GMT -5
I think the discovery of a perfectly decent "step out" vocal by Liam suggests to me that Noels comments of HAVING to take up certain songs due to Liams inability to "get it" might be somewhat bullshit and he used that as an excuse as to why he started doing more vocals. At most Liam outright refused to sing certain songs but that doesnt explain why they didnt use his step out vocal or even the lord dont slow me down vocal. Noel clearly CHOSE his own versions for whatever reason. I think despite what Noel says, I think he probably always wanted to be singing songs. The problems within oasis just grew, Liams voice got worse, the fun ended and Noel's desire to go solo probably just increased. Even before the relationship break down in 2009, that last tour felt like oasis was running on empty, there was nothing really left to do.
Noel wasnt even that great of a vocalist in the 90s in comparison to Liam so I struggle to believe that Liam wasnt able to hit stuff that Noel could. Liam was even singing falsettos on the first two albums.
I expect Liam couldve been great vocalist (as in wide range) if he looked after his voice in those early days instead of just shredding every song.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 10:47:06 GMT -5
No one to blame but himself.
I'm not saying Noel is innocent in anything though.
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Post by shinpad on Jun 11, 2019 12:17:59 GMT -5
Liam's gutter consisted of 3.5 million Pounds Sterling. That's one heckuva gutter, and I hope one day to live so 'low'. Aye. I was paraphrasing Liams quote in the film. Not everything in life is measured in money. I thought the part in the film about that was discussing it in relation to his impending/ongoing divorce proceedings which I assumed cost him a ton of money.
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Post by mancraider on Jun 11, 2019 12:29:42 GMT -5
Aye. I was paraphrasing Liams quote in the film. Not everything in life is measured in money. I thought the part in the film about that was discussing it in relation to his impending/ongoing divorce proceedings which I assumed cost him a ton of money. Dunno, I just took it as him talking about his relationship with Noel and how he seemed bitter that Noel wasn't there for him when he needed help. Admittedly I may not be remembering it accurately but that's what I took from it and what I was referring to.
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Jun 11, 2019 13:10:52 GMT -5
I think the discovery of a perfectly decent "step out" vocal by Liam suggests to me that Noels comments of HAVING to take up certain songs due to Liams inability to "get it" might be somewhat bullshit and he used that as an excuse as to why he started doing more vocals. At most Liam outright refused to sing certain songs but that doesnt explain why they didnt use his step out vocal or even the lord dont slow me down vocal. Noel clearly CHOSE his own versions for whatever reason. I think despite what Noel says, I think he probably always wanted to be singing songs. The problems within oasis just grew, Liams voice got worse, the fun ended and Noel's desire to go solo probably just increased. Even before the relationship break down in 2009, that last tour felt like oasis was running on empty, there was nothing really left to do.
Noel wasnt even that great of a vocalist in the 90s in comparison to Liam so I struggle to believe that Liam wasnt able to hit stuff that Noel could. Liam was even singing falsettos on the first two albums.
I expect Liam couldve been great vocalist (as in wide range) if he looked after his voice in those early days instead of just shredding every song.
All great points esp Step Out. What pissed me off is that there's a damn good chance the multitrack exists for that and it didn't make it onto the reissue as it wouldn't jibe with Noel's story of Liam not being able to hit certain notes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:28:17 GMT -5
I think the discovery of a perfectly decent "step out" vocal by Liam suggests to me that Noels comments of HAVING to take up certain songs due to Liams inability to "get it" might be somewhat bullshit and he used that as an excuse as to why he started doing more vocals. At most Liam outright refused to sing certain songs but that doesnt explain why they didnt use his step out vocal or even the lord dont slow me down vocal. Noel clearly CHOSE his own versions for whatever reason. I think despite what Noel says, I think he probably always wanted to be singing songs. The problems within oasis just grew, Liams voice got worse, the fun ended and Noel's desire to go solo probably just increased. Even before the relationship break down in 2009, that last tour felt like oasis was running on empty, there was nothing really left to do.
Noel wasnt even that great of a vocalist in the 90s in comparison to Liam so I struggle to believe that Liam wasnt able to hit stuff that Noel could. Liam was even singing falsettos on the first two albums.
I expect Liam couldve been great vocalist (as in wide range) if he looked after his voice in those early days instead of just shredding every song.
All great points esp Step Out. What pissed me off is that there's a damn good chance the multitrack exists for that and it didn't make it onto the reissue as it wouldn't jibe with Noel's story of Liam not being able to hit certain notes.
If any alternate Liam vocal tracks exist, Noel is never going to release them because much like that step out vocal, people will compare the two and potentially come to the conclusion that Liams is better (lets face it, Liams voice in the 90s made any average song much better). considering Noel isnt going to want his vocal work in oasis put up for comparison but also Noel and Liam are on bad terms. He wouldnt want to give Liam the satisfaction. can you imagine if Noel released a dont look back in anger alternate vocal take with Liam for example? Noels highest vocal moment in oasis potentially belittled for the sake of releasing a demo. I believe that every song in the 90s shouldve been sung by Liam. If youve got freddie mercury in your band, you dont ask the guitarist to sing one of the strongest tracks no matter how good he might sound because mercury will always top it and that is what people expect. Liam is the singer of oasis so therefore its his job to sing the songs.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jun 11, 2019 16:27:28 GMT -5
This is a very complicated case. A lot of ins, a lot of outs. Fortunately, I'm adhering to a pretty strict drug regimen to keep my mind limber....
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 16:54:15 GMT -5
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Post by jxing on Jun 11, 2019 17:19:49 GMT -5
I think this thread should win the thread of the year! At times, I think that noel was trying to teach Liam to be on his own. They're relationship was so much more than brothers; more like dad & son. In a way, I think liam's succeeded that but liam wants the validation and applause from noel. And then there's moments, that I think those 2 will & can never share the same space again because they each have to have the last word. They're not capable of just saying "sorry" and moving on, they both have to continue going around the mountain, which never works in any situation. I hope, but I don't think that even with peggy's death that they'll reconnect. Maybe if Sara is out of the picture, but I don't see that happening. They both crossed the line by going after each others partner, maybe not as brutal as liam but nevertheless it's still damaging. It's a sick and very tragic situation and I at least hope that it won't continue with there children but unfortunately history & experts have proven that it most likely will.
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Post by Derrick on Jun 15, 2019 13:29:26 GMT -5
Noel's never really commented on this (and probably can't for legal reasons, if it looks like Noel abandoned Oasis gigs because he wanted to go solo that could be tricky), but I look at the following chain of events: - Noel discovering enjoying singing his songs on his own on stage with TIOBI in 2005 - Liams voice being well and truly in the gutter in 2006/7 - Noel doing a bunch of really well received solo gigs in 2006/7 - Liam not being arsed to finish the album properly in 2007 ...it's not hard to imagine Noel looking for a way out and seeing Oasis as more of a hindrance than a help. Once you're already in that mindset, you'll take any excuse/make an argument out of anything. It's a shame that they've apparently had such a dramatic personal falling out as a result, but the musical trajectory had a certain inevitability about it I think. If you want to pick "a moment" when Oasis died, I'd pick Glastonbury '04. That's what I think as well. If they hadn't split in Paris there would most likely have been a long break before the next Oasis album, during which Noel would probably have released a solo album, which would have inevitably made an unemployed Liam irate, cue more rants on Twitter & their relationship deteriorating. The main thing was Noel feeling musically constrained in Oasis after all these years, they'd overcome brotherly strife before but there was something more in the equation in 2009. Narcissistically digging up my own post as Noel confirms my point in this interview: www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/noel-gallagher-interview-oasis-brexit-16419197"That entire last world tour was awful," he remembers. "There was an awful atmosphere, which was bad enough at the best of times but when you're flying all around the world and doing big gigs, it was terrible. Well, so much so that I left. It was just like 'I don't f***ing need this anymore.' "There was always points in previous tours where the music was always enough to save it, and then at that point I guess we'd done so much that it was like we just keep going round in circles now and it was just time to do something different.
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Post by jxing on Jun 15, 2019 23:57:24 GMT -5
That's what I think as well. If they hadn't split in Paris there would most likely have been a long break before the next Oasis album, during which Noel would probably have released a solo album, which would have inevitably made an unemployed Liam irate, cue more rants on Twitter & their relationship deteriorating. The main thing was Noel feeling musically constrained in Oasis after all these years, they'd overcome brotherly strife before but there was something more in the equation in 2009. Narcissistically digging up my own post as Noel confirms my point in this interview: www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/noel-gallagher-interview-oasis-brexit-16419197"That entire last world tour was awful," he remembers. "There was an awful atmosphere, which was bad enough at the best of times but when you're flying all around the world and doing big gigs, it was terrible. Well, so much so that I left. It was just like 'I don't f***ing need this anymore.' "There was always points in previous tours where the music was always enough to save it, and then at that point I guess we'd done so much that it was like we just keep going round in circles now and it was just time to do something different. I also think it's important to remember that we'll never know if it was Noel or Liam or both that made it awful. I honestly believe that it was a combination of both. However, I also think it's important to remember what Andy said in this interview www.nme.com/news/music/oasis-153-1271283As well as what Bonehead and Paul has both repeatedly expressed in their knowledge, experience & relationship in regards to what occurred. And let's not forget that Noel knew exactly what narrative he wanted the fans to believe by doing that absurd press conference. Like I said, I believe they're both to blame and neither one are wrong or right. For some unknown reason, this quote popped into my mind .... " There is no right or wrong only thinking makes it so"?
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Post by IdlersDreamGirl on Aug 6, 2019 18:33:35 GMT -5
I think Liam considers himself to be quite class-conscious - someone who is working class and maintains those roots and also remains an antagonistic relationship and attitude to the other classes. I'm not saying I agree with him but I think it is his perspective. Liam hires private jets to take him on holidays to Spain, Greece and the US (in the last year alone) AND brings his kids, girlfriend/manager, her twin sister and all her friends. Liam is hardly "working class"! I like Liam, but that is ridiculous if he still sees himself like that. Noel is cheap.... and there are pictures of him on the train (going back to Manchester) or flying commercial planes (when by himself). Sara is all about the fame though, it's obvious in the people Noel now hangs around.
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Post by codyr on Aug 7, 2019 1:45:29 GMT -5
Liam travelled to Hull by train. So what's the point? Yes, he's a millionaire but it doesn't mean that you have to be an arrogant prick.
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