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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 18:16:28 GMT -5
tbf I don't sardy was so much of a "yes man", Noel even said that sardy challenged him on the drums for HFB 1 and Noel got irritated because "who gives a fuck about drums?".......I mean don't get me wrong, thats hardly ground breaking but I think the issue might be more Noel just allowing sardy to work his dullness over the tracks.
chasing yesterday for example didn't have that thick fog of shite on it because Noel produced it himself.
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Post by themightyme on Jun 10, 2019 1:44:50 GMT -5
TBH to me Oasis became a singles band after BHN. The singles in the 2000's were and still remain awesome. I remember when I first discovered the band...I was playing Shock Of The Lightning, I'm Outta Time, Hindu Times, etc. right alongside the 90s classics and I was digging it.
The songs beyond that were mostly good-but-not-great along with some absolutely crappy ones (Born on A Different Cloud? BLEH).
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Post by matt on Jun 10, 2019 6:06:52 GMT -5
I hear you, and I’d definitely have wanted to hear Liam’s voice used to the max tearing up over some heavy beats. Instead we got mid tempo plodders. The answer wasn’t in allowing Gem and Andy to write their awful songs to enable a bit more creativity from the band. Noel should have continued to write all the songs but hired a top producer as a fellow creative muse to bounce ideas off and challenge him. Hiring yes men like Sardy indulged all complacencies however. Fully agree with this but then you've also got to think - imagine being the man who tells Noel hes wrong back then. Fuck, id even be scared now. I can't imagine ever sitting him down and saying "don't you think these sound the same as before, do something a bit different". Likewise Liam would have just told you to fuck off and get out. And thatd be that for trying to work with them. Noel has only very recently even attempted to evolve himself musically and even alot of us now would see huge similarities to the way he used to write. It's wrong of Noel to think anyone could have ever pushed him in a different direction for BHN. Noel’s problem is that he masks his creative insecurities with bravado - ‘I’m the best at doing what I do so fuck anyone who tells me otherwise’, ‘I made my comfort zone so I could stay in it’ etc etc. Any artist willing to go through change would make sure their curiosity would trump any insecurities about change. But change is always going to be unnerving naturally - it’s just about having the balls to do it. Maybe Noel just doesn’t have that. He desperately needs someone in the driving seat alongside him to direct his creative instincts. |
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 10, 2019 6:40:26 GMT -5
TBH to me Oasis became a singles band after BHN. The singles in the 2000's were and still remain awesome. I remember when I first discovered the band...I was playing Shock Of The Lightning, I'm Outta Time, Hindu Times, etc. right alongside the 90s classics and I was digging it. The songs beyond that were mostly good-but-not-great along with some absolutely crappy ones (Born on A Different Cloud? BLEH). It often gets overlooked in these debates that the singles were still worthy of standing up to most the 90s stuff. I think I play as many singles from 00s as I do 90s on my Spotify. I always found it strange how any album they bought out was always "the return to form" and then you could go back to any of the same magazines or websites who claimed that a few years later and theyd "Not done anything good since Morning Glory". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:35:52 GMT -5
Sardy !!!!!! 👎
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Post by yogurt on Jul 3, 2019 17:11:18 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I like some songs from the latter albums, even from their solo releases but i can't stop thinking how oasis is such a disappointment after BHN, and even this album is pretty messy because of overproduction and drugs... My issue is that i really don't get they never tried to do a different sound, but ony worse versions of DM and MG over and over, and it's still the case with their solo careers... I already know some of you will send me links to Gas Panic and some other cool stuff but it doesn't matter, all their albums are mediocre compared to the standards of the era they're released in... They might be the band who had the worst 90/00 transition along with Weezer, just look at Damon Albarn who releasedd Two very strong albums in the late 90's and then did something new and cool with Gorillaz, or Radiohead who after releasing OK Computer, one of the most important albums of the 90's(and waaaay better than BHN) just drastically changed their style to go with Kid A.. So ofc some people(a lot sometimes) might not like these albums/projects but at least they had the merit to do something different just to show they have ideas and want to evolve... The worst thing is that oasis couldve tried something different, Noel's collab with Chemical Bro is the perfect example of how oasis MK2 could have sounded, but they preferred doing the same thing over and over for 20 years now... Sorry for this post i got a little sad after hearing the new Liam single which sounds like a worse version of Come Back to Me, which is already a worse version of good oasis songs... Sorry for my english too  Quite honestly, Noel just hasn’t got the musical capabilities that Thom Yorke and Damon Albarn have. People may prefer Noel’s music to theirs, which is understandable because everyone has their own taste but in terms of being able to branch out and make all sorts of excellent music, then those two are far superior to Noel in that sense. That’s not a dig at Noel, just not everyone can be a Damon Albarn and excel in pretty much any style they choose. In that sense, you can’t really use them as a measuring stick for what Noel does, the only thing they have in common is that they had popular bands at the same time. They have never really been similar musically. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 4, 2019 15:23:02 GMT -5
That’s bollocks, but carry on.
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Post by syed on Jul 5, 2019 6:27:38 GMT -5
No way. After Definitely Maybe my favourite 2 albums are Dig Out Yer Soul and Heathen chemistry. Lots of great tunes after BHN.
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Post by Fade In-Out on Jul 5, 2019 12:04:12 GMT -5
They might be your favorite albums i have nothing agains that but these albums don't bring anything new to what oasis had already done,
At best post BHN albums have one or two bangers because when you try to recreate anthems over and over and you're the one that wrote DM and WTSMG, some of the stuff you write ends up being "ok"
Sometimes i wonder if oasis fans have listened other stuff than mod/brit music from the 60's 80's and 90's
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Post by modxxii on Jul 5, 2019 13:16:41 GMT -5
Neither DM was 'new'. If you KNOW music history as you said but who cares.
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Post by pliolite on Jul 6, 2019 7:51:54 GMT -5
Mucky Fingers says hi.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 6, 2019 9:51:39 GMT -5
This forum:
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 12, 2019 10:56:43 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I like some songs from the latter albums, even from their solo releases but i can't stop thinking how oasis is such a disappointment after BHN, and even this album is pretty messy because of overproduction and drugs... My issue is that i really don't get they never tried to do a different sound, but ony worse versions of DM and MG over and over, and it's still the case with their solo careers... I already know some of you will send me links to Gas Panic and some other cool stuff but it doesn't matter, all their albums are mediocre compared to the standards of the era they're released in... They might be the band who had the worst 90/00 transition along with Weezer, just look at Damon Albarn who releasedd Two very strong albums in the late 90's and then did something new and cool with Gorillaz, or Radiohead who after releasing OK Computer, one of the most important albums of the 90's(and waaaay better than BHN) just drastically changed their style to go with Kid A.. So ofc some people(a lot sometimes) might not like these albums/projects but at least they had the merit to do something different just to show they have ideas and want to evolve... The worst thing is that oasis couldve tried something different, Noel's collab with Chemical Bro is the perfect example of how oasis MK2 could have sounded, but they preferred doing the same thing over and over for 20 years now... Sorry for this post i got a little sad after hearing the new Liam single which sounds like a worse version of Come Back to Me, which is already a worse version of good oasis songs... Sorry for my english too The two best Oasis albums (Hc and SOTSOG) happened after be here now (which is demonstrably shit) so I'd have to disagree. |
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Post by Aman on Oct 13, 2019 14:21:08 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry. 😐
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Post by LlAM on Oct 15, 2019 8:22:45 GMT -5
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