|
|
Post by Fade In-Out on Jun 6, 2019 18:54:40 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I like some songs from the latter albums, even from their solo releases but i can't stop thinking how oasis is such a disappointment after BHN, and even this album is pretty messy because of overproduction and drugs... My issue is that i really don't get they never tried to do a different sound, but ony worse versions of DM and MG over and over, and it's still the case with their solo careers... I already know some of you will send me links to Gas Panic and some other cool stuff but it doesn't matter, all their albums are mediocre compared to the standards of the era they're released in... They might be the band who had the worst 90/00 transition along with Weezer, just look at Damon Albarn who releasedd Two very strong albums in the late 90's and then did something new and cool with Gorillaz, or Radiohead who after releasing OK Computer, one of the most important albums of the 90's(and waaaay better than BHN) just drastically changed their style to go with Kid A.. So ofc some people(a lot sometimes) might not like these albums/projects but at least they had the merit to do something different just to show they have ideas and want to evolve... The worst thing is that oasis couldve tried something different, Noel's collab with Chemical Bro is the perfect example of how oasis MK2 could have sounded, but they preferred doing the same thing over and over for 20 years now... Sorry for this post i got a little sad after hearing the new Liam single which sounds like a worse version of Come Back to Me, which is already a worse version of good oasis songs... Sorry for my english too  |
|
|
|
Post by matt on Jun 6, 2019 19:15:31 GMT -5
I hear you, and I’d definitely have wanted to hear Liam’s voice used to the max tearing up over some heavy beats. Instead we got mid tempo plodders.
The answer wasn’t in allowing Gem and Andy to write their awful songs to enable a bit more creativity from the band. Noel should have continued to write all the songs but hired a top producer as a fellow creative muse to bounce ideas off and challenge him. Hiring yes men like Sardy indulged all complacencies however.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Jun 6, 2019 19:20:39 GMT -5
I mean, yeah, Gallagher music not being as good as it was in the nineties is a take colder than liquid nitrogen. But we got four albums worth of life-changing songs, vocals, and melodies in those years, and even though the albums of the noughties were...uneven... we still got a lot of top tunes and hits. Now both brothers have found lanes where they're successful, Noel making cosmic pop with David Holmes and Liam making pop-tastic rock with Warner. It's going pretty good. So stop crying your heart out!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 19:58:41 GMT -5
This is a very low quality thread. Really, really bad, folks. I don't know what to say about it. Maybe he's a Blur fan, I don't know. But it's really bad.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jack on Jun 6, 2019 23:55:37 GMT -5
You suck.
|
|
|
|
Post by modxxii on Jun 7, 2019 2:30:48 GMT -5
I see.
mmm.
NO.
|
|
|
|
Post by Fade In-Out on Jun 7, 2019 3:21:47 GMT -5
Haha yea i really like Blur, but oasis is the band that made me love music in the first place, this is the band i know the most but in my lifelong quest for new music i found so many artists that released waaaay better things than oasis, or at least had some kind of innovations in their sound and didn’t stick with the same vibe for 20y..
If i chose Blur its just because its a band that always get slagged by oasis fans when they are a quality band.
These days maybe noel is trying a bit since last album but its too late, and lets not even talk about liam who is stuck in the 60’s...
|
|
|
|
Post by thomuk2006 on Jun 7, 2019 5:37:36 GMT -5
FAKE NEWS!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 6:02:21 GMT -5
I think oasis started failing for me because Noel kind of checked out after SOTSOG and started handing more and more of the songwriting work over to LAG. don't get me wrong Im in full belief that Liams songwriting was nearly as good as Noels on DOYS, I believe in all and BWTB shouldve been on the album. however I wouldve liked another fully written Noel album because that was what made oasis great in the early days.
I think Noel shouldve just left oasis in the early 2000s, I dont think his heart was really in it anymore and it mightve saved Liams and Noels relationship from going full nuclear. It was clear that neither was really having "fun" after about 2001, they were just going through the motions.
Noel was changing and that probably created friction, maybe Noels reducing passion in oasis created a situation like a failing relationship, you are both still there because it seems like the only solution because youve done it for so long. The feelings just degrade to a point where it ends in a messy way.
|
|
|
|
Post by Flashbax on Jun 7, 2019 7:39:16 GMT -5
Giants was a great idea, but they rushed it with Put Yer Money, Little James and I Can See a Liar. Then they lost the plot with Heathen Chemistry (a failed All That You Can't Leave Behind by U2).
|
|
|
|
Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 7, 2019 8:25:25 GMT -5
I think oasis started failing for me because Noel kind of checked out after SOTSOG and started handing more and more of the songwriting work over to LAG. don't get me wrong Im in full belief that Liams songwriting was nearly as good as Noels on DOYS, I believe in all and BWTB shouldve been on the album. however I wouldve liked another fully written Noel album because that was what made oasis great in the early days.
I think Noel shouldve just left oasis in the early 2000s, I dont think his heart was really in it anymore and it mightve saved Liams and Noels relationship from going full nuclear. It was clear that neither was really having "fun" after about 2001, they were just going through the motions. Noel was changing and that probably created friction, maybe Noels reducing passion in oasis created a situation like a failing relationship, you are both still there because it seems like the only solution because youve done it for so long. The feelings just degrade to a point where it ends in a messy way.
I disagree, 2002 and 2005 seemed like largely enjoyable tours for them both bar a couple of incidents. From what I've read and seen they enjoyed the recording of Heathen Chemistry and DBTT certainly in its latter stages. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 8:32:42 GMT -5
There are a lot of forum members who got into Oasis based off the post-BHN era, then went back to find the 90's stuff later. Nothing will ever be as good as the initial rush of great tunes from the 90's, but it's a bit of a reach to say that everything post-BHN sucks.
Oasis had as many #1 singles post BHN as before. (4 to 4) Sure the post-2000 era was not the massive success of the mid-90's, but in fairness to them... no one could maintain that output! Even the bands you mentioned as "changing" their sound were never the massive successes of mid-90's Oasis, not even close.
|
|
|
|
Post by eleysium on Jun 7, 2019 9:41:30 GMT -5
I swear I read an article in Rolling Stone before BHN came out talking about how Oasis were going to put out their version of Sgt. Pepper's and go in a different direction. From what we know now about Liam's taste in music I think Noel may have wanted to do something out there but couldn't bring the band along and gave up. Later they flirted with stuff in Spike Stent, Death in Vegas, and Gaz Cobain, but that was Noel going as far as he could, he felt trapped by the band and the fans. He made remarks when SOTSOG came out about how radical a drum loop was for Oasis, etc.
I think the constant slagging off of Radiohead, Blur, etc. and the devotion to the Beatles and Stones trapped them. They imitated the look and sound of the Beatles, but not the turn to TM, the trip to India, the constant changing of their sound. Noel went outside the box with the Chemicals and took a trip to Thailand which resulted in Who Feels Love, but they aren't Lennon and McCartney. BHN could have been totally different, something like what he did with the Chemicals and Liam's Scorpio Rising, but instead it turned into a coke-addled mess. Maybe it would have been better if they had gone on hiatus after Knebworth, and Noel had gone on a musical adventure, then reunited in the early 2000's for something different.
|
|
|
|
Post by dampcottage on Jun 7, 2019 12:20:56 GMT -5
Nobody could possibly sustain the sheer amount of high quality songs released 94-97, I reckon if I make a greatest hits from everything after be here now it would have about 15 top tunes,and that's pretty good for any band
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 13:42:36 GMT -5
I think Noel may have wanted to do something out there but couldn't bring the band along and gave up. Later they flirted with stuff in Spike Stent, Death in Vegas, and Gaz Cobain, but that was Noel going as far as he could, I'm pretty sure it was Liam who wanted to bring in Death In Vegas and Noel who called it off. I take your point on Liam's taste but tbh I think Noel could've taken the band where he wanted to. What was Liam gonna do? Quit? Noel wanted out of the band and I'm fairly convinced it wasn't about music. Something happened that caused him to no longer want to deal with Liam on a personal level. |
|
|
|
Post by Parka Flames on Jun 7, 2019 13:49:28 GMT -5
Never seen anyone censor the word "sucks" before.
|
|
|
|
Post by oasis6 on Jun 7, 2019 18:26:18 GMT -5
There are a lot of forum members who got into Oasis based off the post-BHN era, then went back to find the 90's stuff later. Nothing will ever be as good as the initial rush of great tunes from the 90's, but it's a bit of a reach to say that everything post-BHN sucks. Oasis had as many #1 singles post BHN as before. (4 to 4) Sure the post-2000 era was not the massive success of the mid-90's, but in fairness to them... no one could maintain that output! Even the bands you mentioned as "changing" their sound were never the massive successes of mid-90's Oasis, not even close. I agree about the initial rush point. I think initial rush is a big thing. Don't get me wrong, the initial rush for Oasis happened to have the best songs. But when you hear something new and have nothing to compare it to, it automatically will standout as better. When you repeat the same thing over and over and combine it with lesser quality, it will be a big let down. But in saying all that, I think there are songs that have been released recently by Liam and Noel and hell even BDI that had they been released in the 90s, they would have been praised. On the other hand, there are songs released in the 90s that are praised to this day, and I know that had they been released today, they would be slagged off. If Married With Children were on As You Were, a lot of people wouldn't be having it. That may sound blasphemous, but honestly I really feel it would be. Or like The Girl With the Dirty Shirt. I see a song like that being shit on had it been released today. Anyone think they would fancy Hey Now! in this day in age? I'd be shocked. Because we expect poorer results, we come in with a more negative view and thus rate things more negatively. Yes, a lot of their new stuff may deserve it, but seriously there are many songs released in the last 10 years that shit on Oasis MK2 and can absolutely compete with some of the stuff from the 90s. All songs released during the better era will naturally be rated higher than they deserved, while songs released during a worse era will automatically be hit with a critical ear. I can honestly say with a straight face that if I took the best from Liam and NGHFB in the last 10 years and combined them, you would have an album that could compete with BHN for (consensus) #3. |
|
|
|
Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 7, 2019 18:38:07 GMT -5
err, errmm ,,yeah hmmm
|
|
|
|
Post by matt on Jun 8, 2019 17:06:09 GMT -5
One major issue was that every album post BHN was never made under perfect circumstances. I suppose there was no animosity during Heathen Chemistry but Noel was at a creative nadir and you could tell had lost the confidence and ambition in his songwriting. DBTT - went through production hell so for it to be superior to Heathen Chemistry is an achievement. DOYS - probably the biggest missed opportunity as tensions between Noel and Liam came to the fore, and dropping two tunes that would have made it by far the best Oasis album post-BHN.
The latter is probably the most unforgivable as it was easily salvageable.
|
|
|
|
Post by bathqueen1 on Jun 9, 2019 6:22:09 GMT -5
here are 2 short lists -
1.
Champagne Supernova
Some Might Say
Listen Up
Fade Away
The Masterplan
2.
I Can See a Liar
(Probably) All in the Mind
Part of the Queue
Force of Nature
The Shock of the Lightning
To think these 2 lists contain songs written by the same person is ridiculse. Noel started the 2000s with leftovers and no clue how to create a classic
|
|
|
|
Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 9, 2019 11:05:22 GMT -5
Are you Herbawhore or Robohump in disguise?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 11:19:56 GMT -5
here are 2 short lists - Noel started the 2000s with leftovers and no clue how to create a classic If you're trying to "create a classic" then you'll probably end up with Fix You or For What It's Worth or something equally drivelicious. You can't criticise someone for not knowing how to write a great song. It's there or it's not, and Noel's 1994-1996 output was unprecedented. |
|
|
|
Post by Flashbax on Jun 9, 2019 11:51:36 GMT -5
here are 2 short lists - 1. Champagne Supernova Some Might Say Listen Up Fade Away The Masterplan 2. I Can See a Liar (Probably) All in the Mind Part of the Queue Force of Nature The Shock of the Lightning To think these 2 lists contain songs written by the same person is ridiculse. Noel started the 2000s with leftovers and no clue how to create a classic Not really fair this. He also wrote Go Let It Out, Gas Panic!, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, The Importane of Being Idle & The Shock of the Lightning in the same period. |
|
|
|
Post by Fade In-Out on Jun 9, 2019 12:08:21 GMT -5
here are 2 short lists - 1. Champagne Supernova Some Might Say Listen Up Fade Away The Masterplan 2. I Can See a Liar (Probably) All in the Mind Part of the Queue Force of Nature The Shock of the Lightning To think these 2 lists contain songs written by the same person is ridiculse. Noel started the 2000s with leftovers and no clue how to create a classic Not really fair this. He also wrote Go Let It Out, Gas Panic!, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, The Importane of Being Idle & The Shock of the Lightning in the same period. Even these ones don't hold the comparison to the great days, and try to find 94-96 oasis songs as bad as all in the mind.. Oasis killed itself trying to hold up to its 90's glory. They still were a huge live Bands thanks to the classics and their 90's reputation but studiowise, except Liam's voice it was a sh*tshow. |
|
|
|
Post by fartpanic on Jun 9, 2019 18:06:21 GMT -5
I hear you, and I’d definitely have wanted to hear Liam’s voice used to the max tearing up over some heavy beats. Instead we got mid tempo plodders. The answer wasn’t in allowing Gem and Andy to write their awful songs to enable a bit more creativity from the band. Noel should have continued to write all the songs but hired a top producer as a fellow creative muse to bounce ideas off and challenge him. Hiring yes men like Sardy indulged all complacencies however. Fully agree with this but then you've also got to think - imagine being the man who tells Noel hes wrong back then. Fuck, id even be scared now. I can't imagine ever sitting him down and saying "don't you think these sound the same as before, do something a bit different". Likewise Liam would have just told you to fuck off and get out. And thatd be that for trying to work with them. Noel has only very recently even attempted to evolve himself musically and even alot of us now would see huge similarities to the way he used to write. It's wrong of Noel to think anyone could have ever pushed him in a different direction for BHN. |
|
Nov 4, 2024 5:04:30 GMT -5
Nov 4, 2024 5:04:30 GMT -5