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Post by The Escapist on Mar 16, 2019 10:03:22 GMT -5
And it should also be noted that the lyrics in the chorus of AATW are FUCKING SHIT. Meaningless, utter shit. There's no geting around it. I love the chorus of AATW, it's just classic Oasis to me - mad, catchy, optimistic joy. If you don't like "Tell 'em what you heard, you know it's gonna be okay!" as a lyric, I don't think you're gonna enjoy many 90's Noel songs, to be honest. I agree with matt , Go Let it Out is a very stylish and concise single that I enjoy, but All Around the World has that magic Noel 90's gift for melody - and personally I love every second of it's loud, chanted, guitar-solo-ing, brass-blaring ending. |
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Post by funhouse on Mar 16, 2019 10:41:43 GMT -5
And it should also be noted that the lyrics in the chorus of AATW are FUCKING SHIT. Meaningless, utter shit. There's no geting around it. What?! Like the majority of Oasis songs?! I guess you're right since the majority of Oasis songs were made after 1995, but pre BHN most of the Oasis songs had great choruses. Some of them might not have meant that much, but then they at least painted a picture that fitted the song and so on. BHN was the beginning of the end, most of all lyrically. The chorus in AATW to me symbolises the lazy and unimaginative Oasis that would be more frequent in the 2000's. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 16, 2019 15:44:10 GMT -5
Music video for GLIO is also top.
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Post by heathenchemist01 on Mar 17, 2019 13:02:34 GMT -5
I love the music video for GLIO - in fact, it was the first Oasis music video I've seen - but even though I really like the song, I have to go with AATW because I'm totally into the BHN madness.
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Post by rekrelf on Mar 18, 2019 7:12:43 GMT -5
AATW all fucking day long!
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 18, 2019 11:51:50 GMT -5
AATW all fucking day long! That should be the time description for the song on streaming services. |
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Post by beentherenow on Mar 18, 2019 12:47:28 GMT -5
It’s only just dawned on me that these were back to back singles!!
And critics always said Oasis never changed their sound!
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Mar 18, 2019 13:34:38 GMT -5
Oh 'Go Let It Out', definitely. It was a much needed change of direction away from the backwards facing Be Here Now. With a sly glimpse at The Beta Band's homework Noel managed to piece together a far more contemporary piece and blatantly cleverer interpretation of the modern day Beatles sound Noel claimed they had always been striving for. It didn't piggyback the 60's it carried it upon its shoulders and championed it like a good friend. Of course comparatively 'All Around The World' paraded around, far overstaying its welcome I might add, with the flayed skins of John and George stretched it over it's nauseatingly inflated bod. La-la-la-la-la. I like Go Let It Out, and it’s undoubtedly one of Oasis strongest post-90s songs. But I think that for all it’s sophisticated production, it’s essentially not anything special from Oasis. A bit like Who Feels Love, I feel it’s an instance where some gimmicks in the studio mask the song’s standard nature. I think it also started a trend where songs were very heavily indebted to just a couple of influences to overcome Noel’s relative lack of inspiration at the time, a trend that Noel continued with right until Who Built The Moon. Where things were previously a mere ‘nod’ to certain bands as Noel’s own inspiration and power of melody presided over anything else, this is where the influences became a full on head butt, and thus increasing the claims they were rip off merchants. This is where all those cliches from Noel started to ring true for song descriptions - e.g. ‘Kinks meet T-Rex’ ‘Bowie meets Rolling Stones etc’, and then it got to a point where some songs were just a direct rip off without any attempt to conceal it (e.g. The Kinks influenced Noel songs on his first album or the utterly wretched Girl With X Ray Eyes). Not saying this means all his sons were shit from that point, but I feel All Around The World has that spirit of melody and optimism that makes it deservedly part of the golden era, Beatles influence notwithstanding. Importantly, its own sense of melodic power drives the tune itself and makes it feel authentic as opposed to just the influence of The Beatles. I think it's pretty unfair to say 'Go Let It Out' is masked in gimmicks. What do you consider a gimmick? To me it sounds like Noel trying something new and doing so successfully. Diversifying the bands sound was bound to tread on other artists feet but I think Oasis's reputation as rip-off merchants can be pretty firmly rooted to the direct song lifts of the 90s. Has the band ever had a bigger head butt than the opening riff of 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'? I like 'All Around the World'. It's got one of them classic sounding melodies that Noel was pumping out in 1993, which in my opinion was probably Noel's strongest year as a songwriter. Unfortunately however the final execution of the song was real poor. The drums sound rubbish, the mix is terrible, many of the lead guitar lines are completely redundant and like others have said it's a good 2 minutes too long. On the flip side 'Go Let It Out' feels far, far sharper. It's not a short song but it feels structurally perfect. It arguably has the best bass line of any Oasis song and the drum loop to take it on. I also love all the little additional details they added: "two, a three, a four", "Feel the bass", "Ugh!!", record scratching, the whistle... The instrumental break and outro are superb and feature some quality guitar lines (2:55-3:20 & 3:43-4:40). And of course production wise it's undeniably superior. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 18, 2019 13:39:32 GMT -5
I like Go Let It Out, and it’s undoubtedly one of Oasis strongest post-90s songs. But I think that for all it’s sophisticated production, it’s essentially not anything special from Oasis. A bit like Who Feels Love, I feel it’s an instance where some gimmicks in the studio mask the song’s standard nature. I think it also started a trend where songs were very heavily indebted to just a couple of influences to overcome Noel’s relative lack of inspiration at the time, a trend that Noel continued with right until Who Built The Moon. Where things were previously a mere ‘nod’ to certain bands as Noel’s own inspiration and power of melody presided over anything else, this is where the influences became a full on head butt, and thus increasing the claims they were rip off merchants. This is where all those cliches from Noel started to ring true for song descriptions - e.g. ‘Kinks meet T-Rex’ ‘Bowie meets Rolling Stones etc’, and then it got to a point where some songs were just a direct rip off without any attempt to conceal it (e.g. The Kinks influenced Noel songs on his first album or the utterly wretched Girl With X Ray Eyes). Not saying this means all his sons were shit from that point, but I feel All Around The World has that spirit of melody and optimism that makes it deservedly part of the golden era, Beatles influence notwithstanding. Importantly, its own sense of melodic power drives the tune itself and makes it feel authentic as opposed to just the influence of The Beatles. I think it's pretty unfair to say 'Go Let It Out' is masked in gimmicks. What do you consider a gimmick? To me it sounds like Noel trying something new and doing so successfully. Diversifying the bands sound was bound to tread on other artists feet but I think Oasis's reputation as rip-off merchants can be pretty firmly rooted to the direct song lifts of the 90s. Has the band ever had a bigger head butt than the opening riff of 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'? I like 'All Around the World'. It's got one of them classic sounding melodies that Noel was pumping out in 1993, which in my opinion was probably Noel's strongest year as a songwriter. Unfortunately however the final execution of the song was real poor. The drums sound rubbish, the mix is terrible, many of the lead guitar lines are completely redundant and like others have said it's a good 2 minutes too long. On the flip side 'Go Let It Out' feels far, far sharper. It's not a short song but it feels structurally perfect. It arguably has the best bass line of any Oasis song and the drum loop to take it on. I also love all the little additional details they added: "two, a three, a four", "Feel the bass", "Ugh!!", record scratching, whistles... The instrumental break and outro are superb and feature some quality guitar lines (2:55-3:20 & 3:43-4:40). And of course production wise it's undeniably superior. Both a solid tunes. GLIO is exactly what we needed in 2000. I wish SOTSOG was more concise with its vision. It’s 2 songs away from being a top shelf release. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Mar 18, 2019 13:51:59 GMT -5
I think it's pretty unfair to say 'Go Let It Out' is masked in gimmicks. What do you consider a gimmick? To me it sounds like Noel trying something new and doing so successfully. Diversifying the bands sound was bound to tread on other artists feet but I think Oasis's reputation as rip-off merchants can be pretty firmly rooted to the direct song lifts of the 90s. Has the band ever had a bigger head butt than the opening riff of 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'? I like 'All Around the World'. It's got one of them classic sounding melodies that Noel was pumping out in 1993, which in my opinion was probably Noel's strongest year as a songwriter. Unfortunately however the final execution of the song was real poor. The drums sound rubbish, the mix is terrible, many of the lead guitar lines are completely redundant and like others have said it's a good 2 minutes too long. On the flip side 'Go Let It Out' feels far, far sharper. It's not a short song but it feels structurally perfect. It arguably has the best bass line of any Oasis song and the drum loop to take it on. I also love all the little additional details they added: "two, a three, a four", "Feel the bass", "Ugh!!", record scratching, whistles... The instrumental break and outro are superb and feature some quality guitar lines (2:55-3:20 & 3:43-4:40). And of course production wise it's undeniably superior. Both a solid tunes. GLIO is exactly what we needed in 2000. I wish SOTSOG was more concise with its vision. It’s 2 songs away from being a top shelf release. Yeah they're both good songs. There's no wrong answer here. With GLIO Noel successfully did some much needed course correction, it's just a shame Noel turned the boat back around shortly afterwards. 'Fuckin' In The Bushes', 'Go Let It Out', 'Who Feels Love?', 'Gas Panic!', 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?' and 'Roll It Over' are all solid additions to the Oasis canon. It just needed a few good rockers and upbeat numbers a la 'Go Let It Out' (imagine 'Let Forever Be' on there *drools*) and it would have been two big thumbs up for me. In my opinion excluding 'Little by Little' was a real dumb move on Noel's part. Obviously hindsight is great but big singles is exactly what the album needed. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 18, 2019 14:15:12 GMT -5
Both a solid tunes. GLIO is exactly what we needed in 2000. I wish SOTSOG was more concise with its vision. It’s 2 songs away from being a top shelf release. Yeah they're both good songs. There's no wrong answer here. With GLIO Noel successfully did some much needed course correction, it's just a shame Noel turned the boat back around shortly afterwards. 'Fuckin' In The Bushes', 'Go Let It Out', 'Who Feels Love?', 'Gas Panic!', 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?' and 'Roll It Over' are all solid additions to the Oasis canon. It just needed a few good rockers and upbeat numbers a la 'Go Let It Out' (imagine 'Let Forever Be' on there *drools*) and it would have been two big thumbs up for me. In my opinion excluding 'Little by Little' was a real dumb move on Noel's part. Obviously hindsight is great but big singles is exactly what the album needed. You know what? I’ve never considered adding “Let Forever Be” to SOTSOG. That’s actually a great idea. It’s from the same time period basically and a very good tune overall. I always preferred it over “Setting Sun”. That might be a hot take but whatever. Perhaps Noel should have held it back and reworked into an electronic rock track. I long beleive Oasis should have included a “Setting Sun” Oasis version to BHN either as an album track or b-side. That guitar version we have from 1992/93 is awesome and id love a proper studio version with vintage Liam on the mic. I hope that exists somewhere in the Oasis vaults in pristine quality. |
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Post by beentherenow on Mar 18, 2019 14:25:35 GMT -5
I actually think Noel gets nowhere near enough credit for Setting Sun. It’s always been Marketed and spoken about as a Chemical Brothers songs with Noel on guest vocals, whereas in reality it’s a Noel/Oasis song with a Chemical Brothers beat in the background.
I remember when the Be Here Now reissue came out and a reviewer said that on Disk 2 there’s Noel doing an acoustic cover of the Chemical Brothers song!!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 18, 2019 14:35:17 GMT -5
I actually think Noel gets nowhere near enough credit for Setting Sun. It’s always been Marketed and spoken about as a Chemical Brothers songs with Noel on guest vocals, whereas in reality it’s a Noel/Oasis song with a Chemical Brothers beat in the background. I remember when the Be Here Now reissue came out and a reviewer said that on Disk 2 there’s Noel doing an acoustic cover of the Chemical Brothers song!! I wish they included the awesome Setting Sun into Fade In-Out acoustic takes from that tour. Awesome stuff. |
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Post by matt on Mar 18, 2019 15:31:30 GMT -5
I like Go Let It Out, and it’s undoubtedly one of Oasis strongest post-90s songs. But I think that for all it’s sophisticated production, it’s essentially not anything special from Oasis. A bit like Who Feels Love, I feel it’s an instance where some gimmicks in the studio mask the song’s standard nature. I think it also started a trend where songs were very heavily indebted to just a couple of influences to overcome Noel’s relative lack of inspiration at the time, a trend that Noel continued with right until Who Built The Moon. Where things were previously a mere ‘nod’ to certain bands as Noel’s own inspiration and power of melody presided over anything else, this is where the influences became a full on head butt, and thus increasing the claims they were rip off merchants. This is where all those cliches from Noel started to ring true for song descriptions - e.g. ‘Kinks meet T-Rex’ ‘Bowie meets Rolling Stones etc’, and then it got to a point where some songs were just a direct rip off without any attempt to conceal it (e.g. The Kinks influenced Noel songs on his first album or the utterly wretched Girl With X Ray Eyes). Not saying this means all his sons were shit from that point, but I feel All Around The World has that spirit of melody and optimism that makes it deservedly part of the golden era, Beatles influence notwithstanding. Importantly, its own sense of melodic power drives the tune itself and makes it feel authentic as opposed to just the influence of The Beatles. I think it's pretty unfair to say 'Go Let It Out' is masked in gimmicks. What do you consider a gimmick? To me it sounds like Noel trying something new and doing so successfully. Diversifying the bands sound was bound to tread on other artists feet but I think Oasis's reputation as rip-off merchants can be pretty firmly rooted to the direct song lifts of the 90s. Has the band ever had a bigger head butt than the opening riff of 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'? I like 'All Around the World'. It's got one of them classic sounding melodies that Noel was pumping out in 1993, which in my opinion was probably Noel's strongest year as a songwriter. Unfortunately however the final execution of the song was real poor. The drums sound rubbish, the mix is terrible, many of the lead guitar lines are completely redundant and like others have said it's a good 2 minutes too long. On the flip side 'Go Let It Out' feels far, far sharper. It's not a short song but it feels structurally perfect. It arguably has the best bass line of any Oasis song and the drum loop to take it on. I also love all the little additional details they added: "two, a three, a four", "Feel the bass", "Ugh!!", record scratching, the whistle... The instrumental break and outro are superb and feature some quality guitar lines (2:55-3:20 & 3:43-4:40). And of course production wise it's undeniably superior. There may be more obvious homages to influential acts in earlier Oasis songs, but that’s all they are - a homage. I feel that the spirit and authenticity carries them through more so than the direct influence of the bands they’ve borrowed from. And to be fair on Noel, Cigs & Alc doesn’t sound like T-Rex aside from one riff, Don’t Look Back In Anger doesn’t sound like Imagine and Morning Glory doesn’t sound like The One I Love. If you’re writing stuff like ‘is it worth the aggravation to find yourself a job when there’s nothing worth working for’, then direct instrumental lifts from certain songs is superficial compared to the spirit it generates. My issue with Go Let It Out is that it doesn’t say anything or do anything that seems pure Oasis. It has a Beatlesy melody, it has a Beatlesy lyrics with Noel ending up with pseudo-psychedelic babble but it doesn’t have anything I’d say is pure Oasis. I’d say that while All Around The World is quite close in its Beatles similarities, its melodic lift and optimistic spirit is felt with more conviction (no surprise as it was written at the peak of Noel’s songwriting powers). And that’s the problem with latter Oasis in general, while many songs were well executed they lacked the authenticity of earlier songs. I like Go Let It Out, it is very well executed but it doesn’t hold a candle to something that I feel is pure Oasis. |
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Post by World71R on Mar 18, 2019 15:48:57 GMT -5
I think it's pretty unfair to say 'Go Let It Out' is masked in gimmicks. What do you consider a gimmick? To me it sounds like Noel trying something new and doing so successfully. Diversifying the bands sound was bound to tread on other artists feet but I think Oasis's reputation as rip-off merchants can be pretty firmly rooted to the direct song lifts of the 90s. Has the band ever had a bigger head butt than the opening riff of 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'? I like 'All Around the World'. It's got one of them classic sounding melodies that Noel was pumping out in 1993, which in my opinion was probably Noel's strongest year as a songwriter. Unfortunately however the final execution of the song was real poor. The drums sound rubbish, the mix is terrible, many of the lead guitar lines are completely redundant and like others have said it's a good 2 minutes too long. On the flip side 'Go Let It Out' feels far, far sharper. It's not a short song but it feels structurally perfect. It arguably has the best bass line of any Oasis song and the drum loop to take it on. I also love all the little additional details they added: "two, a three, a four", "Feel the bass", "Ugh!!", record scratching, whistles... The instrumental break and outro are superb and feature some quality guitar lines (2:55-3:20 & 3:43-4:40). And of course production wise it's undeniably superior. Both a solid tunes. GLIO is exactly what we needed in 2000. I wish SOTSOG was more concise with its vision. It’s 2 songs away from being a top shelf release. I agree. Even Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is was damn close to being a good song. It just needed a second verse and some better vocal treatment. Little James & I Can See a Liar being swapped out for Let's All Make Believe and Full On, plus some more stripped back and electronic production on some of the Noel-sung songs, would've done the album some favors. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Mar 18, 2019 16:31:22 GMT -5
I think it's pretty unfair to say 'Go Let It Out' is masked in gimmicks. What do you consider a gimmick? To me it sounds like Noel trying something new and doing so successfully. Diversifying the bands sound was bound to tread on other artists feet but I think Oasis's reputation as rip-off merchants can be pretty firmly rooted to the direct song lifts of the 90s. Has the band ever had a bigger head butt than the opening riff of 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'? I like 'All Around the World'. It's got one of them classic sounding melodies that Noel was pumping out in 1993, which in my opinion was probably Noel's strongest year as a songwriter. Unfortunately however the final execution of the song was real poor. The drums sound rubbish, the mix is terrible, many of the lead guitar lines are completely redundant and like others have said it's a good 2 minutes too long. On the flip side 'Go Let It Out' feels far, far sharper. It's not a short song but it feels structurally perfect. It arguably has the best bass line of any Oasis song and the drum loop to take it on. I also love all the little additional details they added: "two, a three, a four", "Feel the bass", "Ugh!!", record scratching, the whistle... The instrumental break and outro are superb and feature some quality guitar lines (2:55-3:20 & 3:43-4:40). And of course production wise it's undeniably superior. There may be more obvious homages to influential acts in earlier Oasis songs, but that’s all they are - a homage. I feel that the spirit and authenticity carries them through more so than the direct influence of the bands they’ve borrowed from. And to be fair on Noel, Cigs & Alc doesn’t sound like T-Rex aside from one riff, Don’t Look Back In Anger doesn’t sound like Imagine and Morning Glory doesn’t sound like The One I Love. Oasis has been considered unoriginal from day one. Noel's whole sonic ethos was to take your favourite British bands from the past and bring them back. I don't think SOTSOG or DOYS are any less original than that. HC & DBBT are incredibly vanilla but they represent the back to basics ethos Noel was pursuing at the time. I think you could make the case for BHN being a very uninspired Oasis album. It was essentially more of the same. Oasis doing Oasis. I'd argue that the ripping off Noel did in the 90's was far more brazen in the fact he'd directly lifted the melodies behind songs. This wasn't something he really did the 00's. I disagree. This certainly isn't how I listen to music. To me the music and melodies are doing the heavy lifting. My interest in lyrics are very limited, as long as they're not distractingly bad I'm happy enough. Anything good is a sweet bonus. If the line " Is it worth the aggravation to find yourself a job when there’s nothing worth working for" was something less good it'd still be a great song. It's the music & melodies that made Oasis great, certainly not the lyrics. Even at their highest point. This seems a very bizarre view point to have I don't know what to say really. What's " pure Oasis"? Authenticity??  |
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Post by matt on Mar 18, 2019 17:00:53 GMT -5
There may be more obvious homages to influential acts in earlier Oasis songs, but that’s all they are - a homage. I feel that the spirit and authenticity carries them through more so than the direct influence of the bands they’ve borrowed from. And to be fair on Noel, Cigs & Alc doesn’t sound like T-Rex aside from one riff, Don’t Look Back In Anger doesn’t sound like Imagine and Morning Glory doesn’t sound like The One I Love. Oasis has been considered unoriginal from day one. Noel's whole sonic ethos was to take your favourite British bands from the past and bring them back. I don't think SOTSOG or DOYS are any less original than that. HC & DBBT are incredibly vanilla but they represent the back to basics ethos Noel was pursuing at the time. I think you could make the case for BHN being a very uninspired Oasis album. It was essentially more of the same. Oasis doing Oasis. I'd argue that the ripping off Noel did in the 90's was far more brazen in the fact he'd directly lifted the melodies behind songs. This wasn't something he really did the 00's. I disagree. This certainly isn't how I listen to music. To me the music and melodies are doing the heavy lifting. My interest in lyrics are very limited, as long as they're not distractingly bad I'm happy enough. Anything good is a sweet bonus. If the line " Is it worth the aggravation to find yourself a job when there’s nothing worth working for" was something less good it'd still be a great song. It's the music & melodies that made Oasis great, certainly not the lyrics. Even at their highest point. This seems a very bizarre view point to have I don't know what to say really. What's " pure Oasis"? Authenticity?? Jeez, it’s just my personal opinion, I’m not having a go at you if you think otherwise.  But on the point of ‘pure Oasis’, it’s obvious what it is that separates them from other anthemic stadium rock bands. Not to get bogged down in a class debate, but there is very much a working class ethos in their early lyrics which contain lyrics that are homespun and grounded by nature. There is a massive contextual basis as to what makes Oasis special - a lot of the lyrics are clunky and blunt, but direct and honest. Add a euphoric melody in there and it drives the point home for many songs. I don’t get that sense of conviction, sentiment or meaning with Go Let It Out. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Mar 18, 2019 17:51:09 GMT -5
Oasis has been considered unoriginal from day one. Noel's whole sonic ethos was to take your favourite British bands from the past and bring them back. I don't think SOTSOG or DOYS are any less original than that. HC & DBBT are incredibly vanilla but they represent the back to basics ethos Noel was pursuing at the time. I think you could make the case for BHN being a very uninspired Oasis album. It was essentially more of the same. Oasis doing Oasis. I'd argue that the ripping off Noel did in the 90's was far more brazen in the fact he'd directly lifted the melodies behind songs. This wasn't something he really did the 00's. I disagree. This certainly isn't how I listen to music. To me the music and melodies are doing the heavy lifting. My interest in lyrics are very limited, as long as they're not distractingly bad I'm happy enough. Anything good is a sweet bonus. If the line " Is it worth the aggravation to find yourself a job when there’s nothing worth working for" was something less good it'd still be a great song. It's the music & melodies that made Oasis great, certainly not the lyrics. Even at their highest point. This seems a very bizarre view point to have I don't know what to say really. What's " pure Oasis"? Authenticity?? Jeez, it’s just my personal opinion, I’m not having a go at you if you think otherwise. Not at all. I'm just replying to your opinion, with my own opinion. Likewise, I'm not having a go either pal. From my point of view the lyrics have nothing to do with why I like those songs. I don't think it's a coincidence that we both think the bands earliest material is their best. 'Go Let It Out' means nothing to me but I still think it's great. Likewise 'Wonderwall' or my favourite Oasis song 'Columbia'. I'd also say with certainty than no context has played any part on me liking any Oasis song. Remember what Noel said in Wibbling Rivalry? " Music! Music! Music!" |
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Post by Aman on Mar 19, 2019 17:08:50 GMT -5
Go Let It Out a much better listen tbh.
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Post by Aman on Mar 19, 2019 17:15:25 GMT -5
As someone said above, you have to be in a certain mood to listen to AATW.
When/if it comes on shuffle in my car, kinda depends how I'm feeling if i wanna leave it on or not.
While with GLIO, I always leave on.
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