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Post by uboasis on Feb 2, 2019 15:23:23 GMT -5
It seems that often big band or artist, after they go away and are out of the limelight, at some point stars align with nostalgia and they regain popularity for a very short time. Oasis hasn't had been popular here in the US since the 90s. While the solo projects have been good (and I love them), they've seemed to go mostly unnoticed in the US.
I have a gut feeling that one of the brothers in the next 5 years will experience a BRIEF but legitimate popularity spike where one song gets noticed for like a 2-3 week period an will him back in the conversation. I don't know which brother, but I think there will be one more fleeting moment in the US where Oasis is relevant again.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 2, 2019 15:35:23 GMT -5
Oasis had a massive resurgence in the US in 2005 with the DBTT era. From being mocked at the turn of the century, they regained a lot of respect with Don’t Believe the Truth.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 2, 2019 18:38:35 GMT -5
It seems that often big band or artist, after they go away and are out of the limelight, at some point stars align with nostalgia and they regain popularity for a very short time. Oasis hasn't had been popular here in the US since the 90s. While the solo projects have been good (and I love them), they've seemed to go mostly unnoticed in the US. I have a gut feeling that one of the brothers in the next 5 years will experience a BRIEF but legitimate popularity spike where one song gets noticed for like a 2-3 week period an will him back in the conversation. I don't know which brother, but I think there will be one more fleeting moment in the US where Oasis is relevant again. I seriously doubt it. In 5 years both of them will be 50. You don’t get popular 50 year olds in America unless you are like Madonna. The party is over. Been over for a long long time. |
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Post by matt on Feb 2, 2019 18:52:16 GMT -5
Legacy in America? Simply those guys that did Wonderwall.
Nothing more, nothing less. Like fuck are they ever gonna be remembered for Don’t Believe The Truth. If they’d tried to be bothered to be inventive with their music, then at least the US music press might have given them some consideration. But even that was severely lacking, with ever record after Be Here Now sounding like it was recorded in the 1960s, as opposed to the ‘90s records which were 1960s influenced.
A big achievement in itself as Wonderwall’s a massive song, but nothing more. Simple fact is you have to go around acting charming, like in the natural way The Beatles did. When you lack any context, the Gallaghers came off as loutish. It’s not even a class thing - a few of The Beatles (outside of Lennon) could be said of working class origin. The brutal fact is that Noel or Liam had neither the charm nor the wit of their idols.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 2, 2019 19:07:11 GMT -5
Legacy in America? Simply those guys that did Wonderwall. Nothing more, nothing less. Like fuck are they ever gonna be remembered for Don’t Believe The Truth. If they’d tried to be bothered to be inventive with their music, then at least the US music press might have given them some consideration. But even that was severely lacking, with ever record after Be Here Now sounding like it was recorded in the 1960s, as opposed to the ‘90s records which were 1960s influenced. A big achievement in itself as Wonderwall’s a massive song, but nothing more. Simple fact is you have to go around acting charming, like in the natural way The Beatles did. When you lack any context, the Gallaghers came off as loutish. It’s not even a class thing - a few of The Beatles (outside of Lennon) could be said of working class origin. The brutal fact is that Noel or Liam had neither the charm nor the wit of their idols. Wow. But really who cares? At their peak they created some amazing songs and albums that will always be there to be listened to. Who cares (apart from the Gallaghers' accountants) if the vast majority of Americans only know one song - they're the ones who are losing out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 19:24:57 GMT -5
But why bothers about popularity in America ? Sorry, but I don't understand why always people focus on that country, like you have to be big in America. Why not Slovakia or Mexico or South Korea or Austria ? The US market is the biggest market, ok, but Oasis did pretty well without it (and btw, that said I'm sure they still have a solid fanbase there, and even if probably most of the people who bought it aren't "fan" anymore, Morning Glory sold over 4 millions copies there), still having a fanbase all over the world.
When an artist releases something, he just puts his work on a plate and everyone is free to get it or no. UK obviously got it, Japan got it, South America got it. I'm glad the band didn't try everything to get/stay big in America, they stayed true to their ethics and that's why Noel should be proud of Be Here Now, it's an album with flaws but it's an album of artists not an album of marketers.
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 2, 2019 19:59:14 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck if they weren't/aren't popular in America, I won't whining about this, America is like a spoiled child, having great songs isn't enough, you have to play their game, The Gallaghers aren't Chris Martin you know. Before the internet age, America used to be the best way to get hugely popular around the world, plus America is a huge market by itself, bands used to have that obsession about "breaking America" because of that, but today internet will do this job. Oasis were popular in America for a brief period of time, but it was enough to give them popularity around the world, like in South America, the songs did the job but when it came the time to play the game they didn't (acoustic mtv comes to mind), so their popularity vanished over there, but they already made their mark in USA as it seems: www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/rolling-stone-readers-pick-the-top-10-albums-of-the-nineties-14689/1-nirvana-nevermind-15606/ |
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Post by matt on Feb 2, 2019 20:01:50 GMT -5
Legacy in America? Simply those guys that did Wonderwall. Nothing more, nothing less. Like fuck are they ever gonna be remembered for Don’t Believe The Truth. If they’d tried to be bothered to be inventive with their music, then at least the US music press might have given them some consideration. But even that was severely lacking, with ever record after Be Here Now sounding like it was recorded in the 1960s, as opposed to the ‘90s records which were 1960s influenced. A big achievement in itself as Wonderwall’s a massive song, but nothing more. Simple fact is you have to go around acting charming, like in the natural way The Beatles did. When you lack any context, the Gallaghers came off as loutish. It’s not even a class thing - a few of The Beatles (outside of Lennon) could be said of working class origin. The brutal fact is that Noel or Liam had neither the charm nor the wit of their idols. Wow. But really who cares? At their peak they created some amazing songs and albums that will always be there to be listened to. Who cares (apart from the Gallaghers' accountants) if the vast majority of Americans only know one song - they're the ones who are losing out. I don’t disagree but that is how the market perceives it. It’s interesting that you can go to the other English speaking markets outside of the U.K. and those countries don’t really give a fuck either. The personality has a big say in it. For sure, it is all about the music and should only be about the music (as long as they aren’t like some paedophile like Michael Jackson or Gary Glitter). My initial opinions of the brothers were that they were arseholes. And then I saw Noel interviewed some time in the mid 2000s and thought he was sound. Thought Liam was an arse but now I think he’s more sound than Noel. So it works in different ways, But musically? Perhaps Oasis never got the radio attention they deserved in America simply because their influences were very parochial to the U.K. Again, unlike The Beatles whose influences were largely the rock n roll and RnB stars of America, Oasis can’t be said to have that many wide ranging influences outside of the U.K.’s (admittedly vast) music scene. |
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Post by shannee on Feb 2, 2019 20:09:43 GMT -5
I don't think it has anything to do with class or charisma. Plenty of classless drugged out popstars. The sad fact is America is just mired in talentless corporate pop music shite. There is very little interest in rock music or any music even involving instruments here. There's always been pockets in cities with a following for alternative or other authentic types of music but the country as a whole is too big for the word to really spread and for momentum to build like is does in the uk, so the majority of people just listen to what they are told to like. The explosion of alternative we saw in the 90s with Nirvana was rare, shallow, and as we saw short lived. I really don't think Oasis could ever have done any better in the US than they did, even if they did come over and kiss everyone's ass.
Unfortunately I don't think we'll see a revival either. My daughter is in high school and none of her friends or anyone she knows has any real interest in rock music. She finds it very depressing because she loves Oasis, the Smiths, Queen, etc.
I had hoped with all this neonazi uber conservative government bullshit we are seeing around the world we'd get a punk/new wave backlash like we saw in the Reagan/Thatcher 80s. But I'm not seeing it yet....
Anyway sorry to ramble lol
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 2, 2019 20:55:31 GMT -5
John Lennon always said the goal was to be big in America. Then The Beatles were big time. I think many many artists share this belief. For good or for bad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 4:56:41 GMT -5
This thread gave me the idea to compare the 90's albums searches on internet in the last 12 months with Google Trends. Here's what I got:   You see the gap between Morning Glory and the other albums is bigger in the States. Be Here Now is more searched than Definitely Maybe in the whole world, but in USA it's DM that is above. |
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Post by freddy838 on Feb 3, 2019 6:49:49 GMT -5
It seems that often big band or artist, after they go away and are out of the limelight, at some point stars align with nostalgia and they regain popularity for a very short time. Oasis hasn't had been popular here in the US since the 90s. While the solo projects have been good (and I love them), they've seemed to go mostly unnoticed in the US. I have a gut feeling that one of the brothers in the next 5 years will experience a BRIEF but legitimate popularity spike where one song gets noticed for like a 2-3 week period an will him back in the conversation. I don't know which brother, but I think there will be one more fleeting moment in the US where Oasis is relevant again. I think it's more likely to be Liam with the strength of Warner behind him, unless Noel gets the next Bond theme tune. I reckon they're both happy with where they stand right now anyway. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 3, 2019 18:02:08 GMT -5
It seems that often big band or artist, after they go away and are out of the limelight, at some point stars align with nostalgia and they regain popularity for a very short time. Oasis hasn't had been popular here in the US since the 90s. While the solo projects have been good (and I love them), they've seemed to go mostly unnoticed in the US. I have a gut feeling that one of the brothers in the next 5 years will experience a BRIEF but legitimate popularity spike where one song gets noticed for like a 2-3 week period an will him back in the conversation. I don't know which brother, but I think there will be one more fleeting moment in the US where Oasis is relevant again. I think it's more likely to be Liam with the strength of Warner behind him, unless Noel gets the next Bond theme tune. I reckon they're both happy with where they stand right now anyway. I think you're right. The people he's working with are far more likely to get him mainstream recognition. They're going to market him a lot more I bet after seeing the success of As You Were. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 4, 2019 5:03:19 GMT -5
I think it's more likely to be Liam with the strength of Warner behind him, unless Noel gets the next Bond theme tune. I reckon they're both happy with where they stand right now anyway. I think you're right. The people he's working with are far more likely to get him mainstream recognition. They're going to market him a lot more I bet after seeing the success of As You Were. Líam's first solo album is for soccer moms and teenage girls, it's embarrassing.... Thanks. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 4, 2019 8:13:34 GMT -5
I think you're right. The people he's working with are far more likely to get him mainstream recognition. They're going to market him a lot more I bet after seeing the success of As You Were. Líam's first solo album is for soccer moms and teenage girls, it's embarrassing.... Thanks. Sorry you can't enjoy it. Must suck not connecting with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 8:28:46 GMT -5
I think you're right. The people he's working with are far more likely to get him mainstream recognition. They're going to market him a lot more I bet after seeing the success of As You Were. Líam's first solo album is for soccer moms and teenage girls, it's embarrassing.... Thanks. You confound Liam with Ben Shiran, or whatever the fuck he's called. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 4, 2019 8:35:49 GMT -5
Let’s just all be thankful that between very late 1995 and early 1997 Oasis were massive in America. I liked those memories. Didn’t realize back then it wasn’t coming back around again. That BHN tour and chart entry was based purely on past glory.
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Post by eva on Feb 4, 2019 9:07:27 GMT -5
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Post by eva on Feb 4, 2019 9:19:04 GMT -5
ok, sure   |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 4, 2019 9:29:22 GMT -5
I can't own weapons because I've been convicted of violent crimes; nor, do I need to own weapons because I'm not a fucking pussy who just runs their mouth on the internet. I have an extensive criminal record, no felonies, though...so I can still vote and didn't vote for Donald Dumbass Trump. Gracias. Guys we found a badass ovuh here. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 4, 2019 9:33:11 GMT -5
I can't own weapons because I've been convicted of violent crimes; nor, do I need to own weapons because I'm not a fucking pussy who just runs their mouth on the internet. I have an extensive criminal record, no felonies, though...so I can still vote and didn't vote for Donald Dumbass Trump. Gracias. Guys we found a badass ovuh here. Ok, tough guy. Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 9:36:24 GMT -5
Well... this got out of hand quick.
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As for the OP... not a chance in hell they ever have a resurgence in the US. At least, not without it being an Oasis resurgence. The public at large couldn't give half-a-crap about the brothers solo efforts.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 4, 2019 9:46:24 GMT -5
Well... this got out of hand quick. ----- As for the OP... not a chance in hell they ever have a resurgence in the US. At least, not without it being an Oasis resurgence. The public at large couldn't give half-a-crap about the brothers solo efforts. I blame Jack Daniels, this is the R rated version of me, not safe for the internet; I'm taking a break until at least spring.... God bless. |
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