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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 20, 2018 21:15:57 GMT -5
I think Noel was less motivated as much as anything. He barely wrote a guitar solo in a decade after he was putting about 10 on each song in the 90s. If he had been really pushed I think he could have come up with better tunes. I agree he didn't help himself with song selection and choice of producer as reliastically all his and Oasis albums could have been improved with better tracklists. I don't compare him with Radiohead as Noel has never been as technically gifted a musician, plus I don't like a huge amount of Radiohead stuff anyway. Yeah.......it’s not fair to compare anyone to Radiohead from the last 25 years. |
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 20, 2018 21:43:01 GMT -5
Comparing Noel's career path to Radiohead's is a difficult comparison to make anyway.
Noel's songwriting has always been within a fairly narrow frame, even his latest album, although it had some different influences, it still roughly falls in the same genre as everything else he did. Because of that, it's very easy to compare his later work to his earlier work.
With Radiohead, how can you really compare King Of Limbs to The Bends? Voice aside, you wouldn't even know it was the same artist if you didn't know, it's a totally different genre. I'm a big Radiohead fan and i believe their ability to evolve is one of the best things about them, but it also exempts them from easy direct comparisons within their back catalogue. You have to basically take each album for what it is, depending on if you enjoy the style or not. With Noel it's more dependant on if you like the song or not, because you know you're already into that kind of genre.
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Post by Zorro On Donuts on Dec 9, 2018 18:12:15 GMT -5
Noel doesn't challenge himself. He does what he does, and he's good at it, but you can only create the same thing so many times until you aren't creating better versions of it anymore.
Who Built The Moon argument, please get snuffed out. That album was standard Noel antics with a slight different production approach. It honestly sounds like the sister record to Dig Out Your Soul production wise.
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Post by World71R on Dec 10, 2018 1:57:13 GMT -5
Noel doesn't challenge himself. He does what he does, and he's good at it, but you can only create the same thing so many times until you aren't creating better versions of it anymore. Who Built The Moon argument, please get snuffed out. That album was standard Noel antics with a slight different production approach. It honestly sounds like the sister record to Dig Out Your Soul production wise. I agree to some extent. At least it was something a little different that started to push Noel in a relatively different direction, but it wasn't as much as many of us thought it would be. This next album will be a better tell-tale of that. It's interesting to see how songs like Riverman, The Right Stuff, Ballad of the Mighty I, and even While the Song Remains the Same, do some different things and do so more effectively, to some extent, than some of the tracks on WBTM do. Although, there aren't any mid-tempo songs that should do more, like In the Heat of the Moment, or Noel-by-the-numbers songs, like The Dying of the Light and Lock All the Doors, which are good but they cover old ground or, in the case of ITHOTM, try to cover new ground but don't really cover it well enough. The Girl With X-Ray Eyes, The Mexican, and You Know We Can't Go Back don't really fall into either for me. The first two are alright, worth a listen here and there, but YKWCGB is one of Noel's best solo songs, imo, which should've been the second or third single for sure; such a travesty that it was not a single. I think Noel was less motivated as much as anything. He barely wrote a guitar solo in a decade after he was putting about 10 on each song in the 90s. If he had been really pushed I think he could have come up with better tunes. I agree he didn't help himself with song selection and choice of producer as reliastically all his and Oasis albums could have been improved with better tracklists. I don't compare him with Radiohead as Noel has never been as technically gifted a musician, plus I don't like a huge amount of Radiohead stuff anyway. Even in the '90s, I can't help but wonder what would've happened if the band would've really focused on Be Here Now and not gotten so coked up and tried working on doing something a little different besides adding guitar layers and making it all overblown. Anyways, on the 2000s, I also can't help but what would've happened if Noel would've worked on getting well in the SOTSOG era, then focusing on experimenting for and working on the album more diligently than he did, and worked on getting new members that would've reflected the new direction. I think that would've helped get the century started right instead of having SOTSOG which sounds half-baked to me and a little too inconsistent in some places. I think that's why DOYS is so raved by many (aside from AGN and TNOR) since the production is consistent and cohesive, and most of the songs are too. The band was pushed to try something new, and Noel's writing reflected that. I would've loved to have seen a follow-up to DOYS, but with a different producer, like Nigel Godrich or someone like that, who would've pushed the psychedelic and grandiose natures of that album, instead of Dave Sardy who pushed for OTT production with NGHFB that sucked the life out of some songs. |
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