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Post by carlober on Oct 16, 2018 11:43:33 GMT -5
Fantastic job on Record Machine. Sounds way better than the record!
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Oct 16, 2018 18:56:10 GMT -5
Last night, as soon as I finished Record Machine before bed, I attempted "Dream On". Might give that a go again. I was far too tired last night to keep going, and I'm surprised you guys are enjoying Record Machine. I believe I almost messed that up, but I'm so glad I made the decision to make two mixes rather than the one.
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Post by bt95 on Oct 17, 2018 4:23:52 GMT -5
Last night, as soon as I finished Record Machine before bed, I attempted "Dream On". Might give that a go again. I was far too tired last night to keep going, and I'm surprised you guys are enjoying Record Machine. I believe I almost messed that up, but I'm so glad I made the decision to make two mixes rather than the one. Will be really interested to hear Dream On! It has never been one of my favourite tracks to listen to in terms of the record version, but the live version (on the WBTM? tour) has been brilliant - it really gives the track the 'umph' it needs.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Oct 17, 2018 7:32:27 GMT -5
I actually like IIHAG even in its current form, but would be very interested in hearing whatever you could try with it. And btw the other two mixes are great, specially the EOTR one
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Oct 17, 2018 10:13:30 GMT -5
So here's the situation - some of you have pointed out that the rest of the album is beyond saving. You are so correct about that. I've attempted to normalize the tracks too, I've tried and actually applied limiters, added effects to, at a glance, get a gentler sound (on If I Had a Gun), and at the same time, bring out the plunkiness of Noel's guitar on another one of the tracks (Dream On) and nothing is working to keep those in tone with the keys (keyboard). I'd basically need so much more than just the album versions, instrumentals; I would need so much more than that. I would need the entire stems of each and every note played in the album (guitar, bass, percussion, soundbites, effects and drums and the whole she-bang) for each track to be able to 'fix' anything in the album.
I've typed a whole thing talking about my experience trying to "fix" this album. I'll post it all later, so... look out for a long post from me in time. I will at least go into detail about why I have a love/hate thing for this album, and so on soon.
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Post by unionpat on Nov 1, 2018 3:54:42 GMT -5
This took some work! Excellent.
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Nov 3, 2018 4:42:00 GMT -5
I've attempted to do something about "Dream On". and in the process, tried out "If I Had a Gun". The attempts made on the two tracks were not successful.
Unfortunately, If I Had a Gun suffers from some weird delay in each channel of the track (the stereo track) itself. What I mean by that is, Noel's actual vocal stem in the left channel is acting as the foundation of the vocal track while the right channel is acting as part of the delay 'effect' that basically does nothing but make it sound as if Sardy actually applied reverb (he didn't) - nothing helps in trying to fix the track, so really, it suffocates most of the highs and lows of the vocal track, and throws off the correct offset I am trying to match up to in the instrumental when attempting to really bring out just the vocals and use that for my own mix. Basically, if I even attempted to match the left channel's actual vocal stem you hear through-out the track, it would not align with the instrumental provided. The same goes for the right channel. If I were to align that right channel (the weird, delayed part of the vocals), it would also not align correctly like it should with the provided instrumental of If I Had a Gun. That weird droning 'wah-wah' heard through out the track from Miles (Kane), there is no getting rid of that in If I Had a Gun. The entire track has been rasterized (glued and pasted on-top of each other) to cement any effect, or last touch-up and every bit Sardy had done to the track (and for the rest of the album's tracks) to hide his horendous mixing ability.
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Nov 15, 2018 5:19:15 GMT -5
I present to you, "Stop the Clocks".
If there was ever a way to butcher 'Stop the Clocks' and have it not be as clear as I could get it to be, then it might be this. Judge for yourself, though. But this is as panned, remixed and crystal clear as it can get for me, because Sardy's mix was always flat at least to my ears, and surely, just maybe... yours, too.
The instrumental was not the basis for this mix, if you can believe that. I went ahead and used the choir that was louder in the Instrumental mix to bring a more 'celestial' feel (one of you said that 'Record Machine' was like that? Or maybe you said 'Everybody's On the Run' is?...) to the track.
A lot of noise profiling happened with this one, 1) to bring the vocals out a little and at the same time, sustain them so as to not drown them. So if they sound drowned out, it's because 'noise profiling' is a b*tch. 2) to bring out the choir.
Then once again, to keep Strangeboy's solos somewhat in this mix, I had to keep using the album version this time around for those two solos in the bridge and outro solo. Because the instrumental just did not have the two solos played by Strangeboy. There is surprisingly a lot of fuzz in the first squealing solo he did in this one.
To keep everyone interested, I decided I'd do something cool for this one. To give the track a more "Sessions" feel, I added in the shouts from the men in the choir, "Stop the clocks! Stop the clocks!" in the end that can be found in the 30 minute documentary, 'It's Never Too Late to Be What U Might Have Been (The Making of Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds)' from Noel and company. They are just faint enough that if you keep on listening, YOU WILL hear them shout it.
Enjoy.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Nov 15, 2018 6:19:34 GMT -5
Considering your very limited resources what you produce is excellent sir. Congrats. I wish I could do what you do so you should know your rundowns are much appreciated!
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Nov 15, 2018 6:34:52 GMT -5
Considering your very limited resources what you produce is excellent sir. Congrats. I wish I could do what you do so you should know your rundowns are much appreciated! I keep listening back to it, and it keeps getting lower. But then I remember my PC is somewhat of a little sh*t and tries to auto-lower everything coming through my headsets and speakers. But thank you very much, Crimson. I appreciate that.
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Post by carlober on Nov 15, 2018 14:02:44 GMT -5
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Nov 16, 2018 8:32:59 GMT -5
WOW!!! That's fucking amazing! It's like you sonically wiped an inch-thick layer of dust off a picture frame. The acoustic guitar sounds so clear.
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Post by theone on Nov 16, 2018 19:51:52 GMT -5
You've done a great job on both of them, particularly Record Machine. You've made it sound like my pc speakers are actually a proper dedicated stereo system, if that makes sense. But I think the actual recordings of most of the songs on that album are beyond saving. Orchestral parts that should have been electric and vice versa, some songs in too low a key, some too high, drums too plodding all over the place, the wrong tone or the vibe/tempo of the song totally wrong. That album is an unholy mess, which is a shame considering how strong the songs are. I actually think Sardy did a really great job with DOYS and DBTT especially, he's not exactly incompetent so how HFB ended up sounding how it did I have no idea. Every aspect of the recording and production were calamitous. Then on that first tour Noel decided to carry a couple of sub standard musicians (In their roles). Some really odd decisions made around that time. Thankfully now he's got his shit together on those fronts Interesting, I thought sardy absolutely destroyed dbtt. Every track is way too loud
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 17, 2018 17:10:45 GMT -5
the original is a much more cohesive mix than yours.
i like that you tried to bring out the clarity in the strings and other parts and make the mix less dense, but ultimately that can also be an amateur mistake, trying to make everything too audible and have clarity, thus having instruments fighting each other, rather than looking at the bigger picture and serving the song by mixing in context.
Your mix does have some good ideas, but lacks the glue and cohesion of the original, even if that isn't great itself. it's like you ignored the arrangement of instruments and dynamics and just tried to make everything more audible.
That said, i think the initial production isn't too good anyway, so there's not a lot to work with using those stems..
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Post by matt on Nov 17, 2018 20:18:53 GMT -5
the original is a much more cohesive mix than yours. i like that you tried to bring out the clarity in the strings and other parts and make the mix less dense, but ultimately that can also be an amateur mistake, trying to make everything too audible and have clarity, thus having instruments fighting each other, rather than looking at the bigger picture and serving the song by mixing in context. Your mix does have some good ideas, but lacks the glue and cohesion of the original, even if that isn't great itself. it's like you ignored the arrangement of instruments and dynamics and just tried to make everything more audible. That said, i think the initial production isn't too good anyway, so there's not a lot to work with using those stems.. Nonsense, I’m not sure how clarity = instruments fighting each other, that’s just a contradiction. And ignored dynamics? This versions lets the song breathe a bit more. It’s about bringing those essential instrumental components and characteristics to the fore (particularly the choir) to embody the songs more other worldly aspects. I hear that emphasis over the more percussive and rhythmic instruments that bring the original recording down. The original recording as with the whole album is tantamount to everything being fucked in a blender resulting in nothing but a mish mash hodge podge of murky sounds. This sounds so much more fresh in comparison.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 17, 2018 20:40:47 GMT -5
the original is a much more cohesive mix than yours. i like that you tried to bring out the clarity in the strings and other parts and make the mix less dense, but ultimately that can also be an amateur mistake, trying to make everything too audible and have clarity, thus having instruments fighting each other, rather than looking at the bigger picture and serving the song by mixing in context. Your mix does have some good ideas, but lacks the glue and cohesion of the original, even if that isn't great itself. it's like you ignored the arrangement of instruments and dynamics and just tried to make everything more audible. That said, i think the initial production isn't too good anyway, so there's not a lot to work with using those stems.. Nonsense, I’m not sure how clarity = instruments fighting each other, that’s just a contradiction.
And ignored dynamics? This versions lets the song breathe a bit more. It’s about bringing those essential instrumental components and characteristics to the fore (particularly the choir) to embody the songs more other worldly aspects. I hear that emphasis over the more percussive and rhythmic instruments that bring the original recording down. The original recording as with the whole album is tantamount to everything being fucked in a blender resulting in nothing but a mish mash hodge podge of murky sounds. This sounds so much more fresh in comparison. Not at all. if you make element have too much focus and clarity and sound almost too good individually, thats when you get instruments fighting each other and get a less cohesive mix. if you solo a lot of instruments in a good mix, quite often they don't sound great solo'd, sometimes bad, but perfect in the context of a mix. here it sounds like they have tried to make every element sound good individually, but not focusing on the bigger picture. i never said it was bad, in fact its pretty good, i just don't hear a very together mix like the original. it lacks the glue of a good mix, not that the original is much good but it sounds together But as i said anyway, the original stems are not great to start with, so its like fighting a losing battle anyway.
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Nov 18, 2018 0:22:44 GMT -5
the original is a much more cohesive mix than yours. i like that you tried to bring out the clarity in the strings and other parts and make the mix less dense, but ultimately that can also be an amateur mistake, trying to make everything too audible and have clarity, thus having instruments fighting each other, rather than looking at the bigger picture and serving the song by mixing in context. Your mix does have some good ideas, but lacks the glue and cohesion of the original, even if that isn't great itself. it's like you ignored the arrangement of instruments and dynamics and just tried to make everything more audible. That said, i think the initial production isn't too good anyway, so there's not a lot to work with using those stems.. Well, I do admire your criticism, I'll give you that. But I was never trying to go for clarity, and although it was what I ended up with, what I was really looking is the choir. The choir in the instrumental mix actually sing along to almost every line of lyric in the track written by Noel, and achieving that only by a few decibels was more than enough for me. Perhaps this will put your mind at ease: the track sounding like it is "fighting each other"? That really is not my doing. All I did was try to contain it, as in, I only applied a limiter, decreased bass by -5dB, enveloped a few parts of the track that was making the track peak and then that was it.
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Dec 13, 2018 7:40:27 GMT -5
So a little update.
I've been messing around with an old technique on making some tracks sound A LOT better. I've already "tested" it on a bunch of demos rather than making small 'volume' + 'bass & treble' adjustments. Let's just say, the demos from Faster Than the Speed of Magic are a lot less stuffy when I apply this technique to them.
Here is an example of the "Soldier Boys and Jesus Freaks" demo:
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Dec 13, 2018 9:21:49 GMT -5
Oh, and another example where I applied the old technique. The demo for "Everybody's On the Run":
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Post by Flashbax on Dec 13, 2018 11:37:48 GMT -5
Sounds great! Would it be possible to use this magic to make Don't Believe the Truth listenable?
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Dec 19, 2018 14:16:02 GMT -5
Another update:
The two demos above are just examples. The errors, that I notice, are the fact that highs and lows are not loud enough. So if played back in your regular smartphones, they would come out as tinny and too quiet. You do not want that. I do not want that. So again, I will say, they are just examples of where this old technique was applied, to show how raw said technique can make the demos sound. It will be implemented and improved upon shortly.
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Dec 25, 2018 7:07:20 GMT -5
Since this is a Christmas day, I figure I might as well let you all know... and it's pretty obvious now what's been going on in this thread.
'Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds' will receive a full remix treatment by myself, and hopefully, it will get done with time. I am not working by a specific time-frame and I have no deadline to work by, but it is being done. The remixes will be made available in a 'Sessions' collection entitled, "The High Flying Birds Sessions".
NGHFB Remix/Sessions:
- "Alone On the Rope" will be available in it's correct and full quality, just as "A Simple Game of Genius" would be. The track has been pulled from the MOJO compilation that was released a while back. That version is special because it was never retouched for the compilation. That mix from the MOJO compilation is the one that was released to that region specific Amazon retailer site. To my knowledge, you don't compile something and expect to remix or create a new sequence around it. That'll only mess up the rundown time (duration of the track). What I'll be doing is simply leaving it alone, because it is perfect the way it is.
On that note: "Alone On the Rope", "Everybody's On the Run", "Record Machine" & "Stop the Clocks" are finished at this point for the sessions (what I've been calling this for the past two months).
- Every demo that has surfaced, including the demos from joekim and company at oasisarchives, will be included and will receive a restoration treatment.
- Every instrumental that has surfaced will be included, but I am not keen on whether or not they will actually make it, as once again, the one and only source is non-existent, or is taking a 'fecking' long arse holiday. I have literally just been working with what I could find. "Stop the Clocks", "Everybody's On the Run" & "(I Wanna Live In a Dream In My) Record Machine" were all basically miracles, and have shown me that this can be done to a great, positive response from you guys.
I really hope I can get some help from other sources as well, or just get a reupload of the instrumentals if possible. Drop me a PM for sources as I really do need the instrumentals for the album. That'll speed up everything for sure. But anyway, before this gets too sappy, I just want to say thanks for the great responses guys. The positive reactions to the remixes are definitely reassuring. I was testing the waters so to speak, and this has actually been planned for most of 2018. I only just got the ball rolling before the end of the year as a few things in my life have come to surface and I spent most of the year dealing with them. But alas,
...how does the saying go? Thy will be done.
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Dec 26, 2018 15:45:07 GMT -5
Sounds great! Would it be possible to use this magic to make Don't Believe the Truth listenable? How is this?
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Dec 26, 2018 15:51:28 GMT -5
When I took away quite a bit from "Part of the Queue", I discovered that somehow it had hidden the beautiful percussion you could barely, just barely make out. Piano at the end of the track is more wide now. Bass was double layered. Vocals were also thickened to not just the center channel, but left and right channel because of these double layers. At the end of the track, you could make out Zak thumping--THUMP, THUMP, THUMP, THUMP, THUMP(!). That was new to me, I had never heard that before.
Oh, and it was also compressed, and amplified to shit.
"Part of the Queue" when you take away a few bits here and there is essentially just stripped back. It's actually much more better for it.
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Jan 10, 2019 4:31:38 GMT -5
"If I Had a Gun..." is finished. Just listening back a few times before I can be certain I can hand it over. After all, this is definitely in the working entirely! My rundown of what the process was like, putting the remix together and just giving it kind of a 'face lift', and explanation of everything will be posted along with the track on YouTube. But this is going to be another unlisted video on YouTube.
And for those waiting at Sour Mash, please don't hold your breath. I'm still trying to get something more secure together to share them in the future when the entire remix process is done.
All I gotta say at this point... I am absolutely sure, after 2 and a half months of trying to figure this track out, I am very much, ABSOLUTELY sure the stripping back method was the way to go. More later.
Bye lads, for now.
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