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Post by bones58 on Jun 18, 2018 5:14:36 GMT -5
Quite an entertaining watch. Overall it's hard to argue with most of his criticisms even though I like the album a lot more than he does. His comparison to Be here now being the equivalent of the last hour of a party where everyone should have went home by then is pretty apt.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Jun 18, 2018 10:39:42 GMT -5
Good review.... he is spot on!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 18, 2018 22:35:22 GMT -5
Quite an entertaining watch. Overall it's hard to argue with most of his criticisms even though I like the album a lot more than he does. His comparison to Be here now being the equivalent of the last hour of a party where everyone should have went home by then is pretty apt. Pretty damn accurate for an American perspective. I knew dozens of fans just like this. LOVED Morning Glory, and then BHN broke their hearts never to return. I also made a similar Phantom Menace reference to Be Here Now back in 1999 as well. Ironic. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jun 19, 2018 11:34:56 GMT -5
I hate Oasis so much right now hahaha. I shouldn't have watched this.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 19, 2018 16:45:50 GMT -5
and there it is the only time in my lifetime i have seen oasis compared to the phantom menace
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 19, 2018 17:50:58 GMT -5
Quite an entertaining watch. Overall it's hard to argue with most of his criticisms even though I like the album a lot more than he does. His comparison to Be here now being the equivalent of the last hour of a party where everyone should have went home by then is pretty apt. Behave. The bloated production makes it such a fun album. Also, Magic Pie is fucking epic. |
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Post by Parka Flames on Jun 20, 2018 3:58:07 GMT -5
A decent review. His reaction to the AATW reprise made me laugh.
I'm surprised he didn't use the original Pitchfork review (7.9/10) vs. their later venomous criticism when comparing praise at the time of release to the vitriol that came later. God, what an awful magazine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 6:40:38 GMT -5
Just saw this in my recommendations... Where to start ? Does he think sitting in a black room with a piano give him some credibility ?
Be Here Now has defaults. Most of the albums have. It's too long, etc. But it has the essential: songs and melodies.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 20, 2019 8:44:45 GMT -5
I’m not listening to some nasal-voiced no-mark bitch and moan about an album I love. Sod that.
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 20, 2019 9:16:26 GMT -5
I always feel like people like him are going into Be Here Now thinking "this album is rubbish, let's see why". For sure it's a flawed and messy album and could have been a hell of a lot better, but at it's core there is a large crop of great melodies, vocals, and vintage Oasis optimism. I posted the three changes I think would make the album great on r/oasis: 1 - Good production. The album should have all the bass, strings, guitars, and vocals layered perfectly like Morning Glory did, but maybe a bit heaver. This is actually the most important - most of the songs on Be Here Now are fantastic but the life is sucked out of them with the over-cooked mushy production and arrangements. 2 - Swap Magic Pie and Fade In/Out for The Masterplan (should have been saved), Going Nowhere, and Stay Young. I love Fade In/Out personally but it could probably have been used as a cool b-side rather than a track on an album that was meant to save songwriting or whatever. 3 - Some edits. D'You Know What I Mean?, Stand By Me, TGITDS, All Around the World, and It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) could all have been shortened. If you're interested I did edit them and some other tunes from the time on my YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/channel/UC3YRG3kayLESRzO6w-zlr3w?view_as=subscriber |
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Post by funhouse on Jan 22, 2019 13:56:33 GMT -5
While I don't agree that it's a trainwreck of an album, I still think it's a fun video. Seen a few others from the "series", and they're both entertaining as well as educational. theyknowwhatimean, considering that you're going through the discography of Creedence Clearwater Revival, this might be of intrest to you! |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 22, 2019 14:07:55 GMT -5
I’m not listening to some nasal-voiced no-mark bitch and moan about an album I love. Sod that. You’re fun |
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Post by Aman on Jan 22, 2019 20:28:24 GMT -5
Tbh if you listen to the album from start to finish, it is a fuckin mess.
But the songs are there, that's why I just listen to the individual songs that I like.
It's the only way.
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Post by World71R on Jan 22, 2019 20:30:09 GMT -5
I always feel like people like him are going into Be Here Now thinking "this album is rubbish, let's see why". For sure it's a flawed and messy album and could have been a hell of a lot better, but at it's core there is a large crop of great melodies, vocals, and vintage Oasis optimism. I posted the three changes I think would make the album great on r/oasis: 1 - Good production. The album should have all the bass, strings, guitars, and vocals layered perfectly like Morning Glory did, but maybe a bit heaver. This is actually the most important - most of the songs on Be Here Now are fantastic but the life is sucked out of them with the over-cooked mushy production and arrangements. 2 - Swap Magic Pie and Fade In/Out for The Masterplan (should have been saved), Going Nowhere, and Stay Young. I love Fade In/Out personally but it could probably have been used as a cool b-side rather than a track on an album that was meant to save songwriting or whatever. 3 - Some edits. D'You Know What I Mean?, Stand By Me, TGITDS, All Around the World, and It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) could all have been shortened. If you're interested I did edit them and some other tunes from the time on my YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/channel/UC3YRG3kayLESRzO6w-zlr3w?view_as=subscriberI agree. Although I think Fade In-Out could possibly stay. It just needed to be edited down a little bit. I like the widescreen sound it has to it and how different it is from other Oasis works. That can stay as a representation that they were doing something different and also as a cool mid-album gem. The songs being edited down would've helped to magnify the grandiose nature of AATW and how special it and the Reprise are. By the time you get to there with the album is, it's a bit much with how long it's been already that throwing a 9+ minute song on there is just a bit much, especially for any casual fans. AATW shouldn't have been 9 minutes long (8:20 or so is good enough) and it should've been separated more from the Reprise than it is. Move AATW to around the middle of the album and maybe after The Masterplan (in place of Fade In-Out), like you'd have it in your hypothetical album, then put all the tracks after Fade In-Out after AATW as it is (with necessary edits & changes), but swapping Be Here Now & Stay Young around a bit, and you'd have an awesome close to it all. So basically a tracklisting of: D'You Know What I Mean?, My Big Mouth, Be Here Now, Stand By Me, I Hope I Think I Know, The Girl in the Dirty Shirt, The Masterplan, All Around the World, Don't Go Away, Stay Young, It's Getting Better (Man!!), and All Around the World Reprise (with certain tracks getting edited down of course; you could take or leave BHN too imo). |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 22, 2019 20:31:35 GMT -5
Boy, Oasis fans do not have a sense of humor
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 23, 2019 8:37:31 GMT -5
I've said it before and I will say it again. People saying that The Masterplan should have been saved..
1. If it had been the production would have gone from as neat and tidy as it is as the b-side to Wonderwall to being as, others always say about the album, overblown and with more guitar tracks added on top
2. What would you have had as b-side to Wonderwall to replace it as part of the reason Oasis singles sold so well was the b-sides in some respects...take The Masterplan off Wonderwall, would it have even got to number 2?
3. The Masterplan, either in the form it is in now or the eventual form it would have been in if it had been on Be Here Now (because there is no way it would be the same track) would fit into Be Here Now
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 23, 2019 18:40:49 GMT -5
I've said it before and I will say it again. People saying that The Masterplan should have been saved.. 1. If it had been the production would have gone from as neat and tidy as it is as the b-side to Wonderwall to being as, others always say about the album, overblown and with more guitar tracks added on top 2. What would you have had as b-side to Wonderwall to replace it as part of the reason Oasis singles sold so well was the b-sides in some respects...take The Masterplan off Wonderwall, would it have even got to number 2? 3. The Masterplan, either in the form it is in now or the eventual form it would have been in if it had been on Be Here Now (because there is no way it would be the same track) would fit into Be Here Now Even granting all of these, it's still vastly superior to Magic Pie and an easy hit 1997 single in waiting. I guarantee if it was on Be Here Now all along, there would not be anybody saying "Nah, it should clearly have been used as a b-side two years earlier". |
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 23, 2019 19:29:06 GMT -5
TM is too big for its boots, not only Noel should have saved it for future albums but also it's a potential single material, it's well written, well produced, well sung, it's too perfect, a class A song, clearly deserved a much better fate than being tucked away as a b-side, of all great Oasis b-sides this is the one Noel truly regrets being a b-side.
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