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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 4, 2018 19:56:02 GMT -5
I'm going to bring back this discussion:
Both Lock All The Doors, & You Know We Can't Go Back are as Oasis as Noel as come - fitting with the Be Here Now era, but yet both lack that Oasis magic. If Noel wrote both songs (he half did with LATD, of course) in 1997 there would be some added je nes se quoi.
These two tracks bother me - instead of reminiscing of the golden 90s era, they just feel very generic. A Massive let down. And I still can't quite put my finger on why this is - what made songs like these great in the 90s but feel very generic in 2015 (now 2018)?
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Post by macnuggets on Jun 4, 2018 23:25:54 GMT -5
Two things that spring to my mind when I hear these tracks (no expert of course):
1: Liam's voice makes ALL the difference. There's no denying Noel's voice suited some Oasis material (DLBIA, TIOBI) but when it comes to these tracks, without Liam they are just as generic as you said. He really was the x-factor in Oasis.
2: The production of Noel's solo material is just dull. We all know the production on Oasis albums in the 90's is technically shit, but at least it had some personality to it! There was so much distortion, bleed, fuzz and hiss going on that it gave it some personality, who else was putting out music that SOUNDED like that?
If you take away all the things that made them great and unique in the first place then you're just left with Noel's generic voice on top of boring production.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jun 5, 2018 0:48:50 GMT -5
Lock all the Doors is as Dad Rocks as Dad Rock comes. I agree with the above statement. It needs Liam's (90's) voice to turn it from plod rock to having an edge to it.
I love the verses of You Know We Can't Go Back, the chorus is slightly lacking and the "moon and stars'' lyrics sound like something a ten-year-old would write.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jun 5, 2018 2:18:07 GMT -5
I think You Know We Can't Go Back is kind of boring with dull lyrics. It had energy, but not enough. I used to like it a lot, but now I think it's just mediocre. It's not the vocals, Noel's voice suits it. It just doesn't sound very great.
Lock all the doors on the other hand has a lot of potential. Liam's vocals and better production work could make it better. It's production is too soft. It needs rousing guitars man (!!!).
It also has very weak lyrics though. Might be me though, I always hate stuff like "the prettiest girl I've ever seen".
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jun 5, 2018 2:56:49 GMT -5
I agree, I dig the songs but the production is terrible. There's no edge to it.
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 5, 2018 3:09:40 GMT -5
I think they'd both have killer bridges if Noel had released them in the 90s, especially Lock All The Doors which just goes to the chorus from the verse. That said I enjoy them as part of the album, and CY is by far my preferred album of the three he's released.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 4:11:27 GMT -5
The songs, the melodies are just not as good as the songs these are compared to. You Know We Can't Go Back is no I Hope, I Think, I Know. Far from it.
Strip down both songs both songs and play it on keyboard, you will easily see the difference.
Add to that the lifeless production and boring Noel's vocals, and you get boring songs.
But those are not Noel's worst solo tracks. A boring solo career.
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Post by morning_rain on Jun 5, 2018 10:54:52 GMT -5
I don't like them. Every time I listen those songs this image comes to my mind:  |
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Post by matt on Jun 5, 2018 14:56:06 GMT -5
The songs, the melodies are just not as good as the songs these are compared to. You Know We Can't Go Back is no I Hope, I Think, I Know. Far from it. Strip down both songs both songs and play it on keyboard, you will easily see the difference. Add to that the lifeless production and boring Noel's vocals, and you get boring songs. But those are not Noel's worst solo tracks. A boring solo career. I agree with this - the rhythms are very similar to peak Oasis but the melodies suck. That chorus on Lock All The Doors is ball achingly bad. These songs are the sound of a middle aged man trying to keep up with his twenty-something self and not getting close. Tired, generic, forced. And let’s not talk about the offensively bland production - a Dave Sardy wet dream. |
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Post by agarvey on Jun 7, 2018 5:39:10 GMT -5
I can’t believe there are fans that don’t think that these 2
songs are nothing but totally awesome and instant classics.
The only thing that makes me sad re these 2 songs is that they
are a reminder of what we have lost as the rubbish that is WBTM
does not come remotely close to Chasing Yesterday.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 7, 2018 7:33:57 GMT -5
The songs, the melodies are just not as good as the songs these are compared to. You Know We Can't Go Back is no I Hope, I Think, I Know. Far from it. Strip down both songs both songs and play it on keyboard, you will easily see the difference. Add to that the lifeless production and boring Noel's vocals, and you get boring songs. But those are not Noel's worst solo tracks. A boring solo career. I agree with this - the rhythms are very similar to peak Oasis but the melodies suck. That chorus on Lock All The Doors is ball achingly bad. These songs are the sound of a middle aged man trying to keep up with his twenty-something self and not getting close. Tired, generic, forced. And let’s not talk about the offensively bland production - a Dave Sardy wet dream. Although I agree with the sentiment I think it has more to do with instrumental choices, production and Noel's vocals. I'm sure you know this already but it's probably worth noting the chorus to Lock All the Doors was actually written by a twenty-something Noel during peak Oasis songwriting and Dave Sardy actually turned down producing these songs. Feels kinda weird to bring these points up. |
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Post by mkoasis on Jun 9, 2018 16:02:04 GMT -5
LATD is okay but YKWCGB is really good. I like everything about it though the "moon and stars" lyrics could be better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 1:02:02 GMT -5
Two epic rock songs - Oasis nostalgia all the way. Love ‘em.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 11, 2018 3:23:22 GMT -5
The songs, the melodies are just not as good as the songs these are compared to. You Know We Can't Go Back is no I Hope, I Think, I Know. Far from it. Strip down both songs both songs and play it on keyboard, you will easily see the difference. Add to that the lifeless production and boring Noel's vocals, and you get boring songs. But those are not Noel's worst solo tracks. A boring solo career. I love You Know We Can't Go Back. Think it's much better than I Hope I Think I Know, but each to their own. Lock All The Doors... yeh, I'm not too fussed with. But when it comes on shuffle I enjoy it. |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 11, 2018 3:24:24 GMT -5
The songs, the melodies are just not as good as the songs these are compared to. You Know We Can't Go Back is no I Hope, I Think, I Know. Far from it. Strip down both songs both songs and play it on keyboard, you will easily see the difference. Add to that the lifeless production and boring Noel's vocals, and you get boring songs. But those are not Noel's worst solo tracks. A boring solo career. I agree with this - the rhythms are very similar to peak Oasis but the melodies suck. T hat chorus on Lock All The Doors is ball achingly bad. These songs are the sound of a middle aged man trying to keep up with his twenty-something self and not getting close. Tired, generic, forced. And let’s not talk about the offensively bland production - a Dave Sardy wet dream. You are aware the chorus of Lock All The Doors was written in 1991/92, yes? |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 11, 2018 3:26:01 GMT -5
You Know We Can't Go Back - the chorus at least - always reminds me of Meaning Of Soul.
Weird, I know, especially considering TMOS is a Liam song, and the tone of the songs are very different, but it's always sounded vaguely similar to me.
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Post by matt on Jun 11, 2018 13:21:28 GMT -5
I agree with this - the rhythms are very similar to peak Oasis but the melodies suck. T hat chorus on Lock All The Doors is ball achingly bad. These songs are the sound of a middle aged man trying to keep up with his twenty-something self and not getting close. Tired, generic, forced. And let’s not talk about the offensively bland production - a Dave Sardy wet dream. You are aware the chorus of Lock All The Doors was written in 1991/92, yes? Either the chorus or verse was written a few years back, but nonetheless, there’s a reason why this tune never made the first two Oasis albums, let alone Be Here Now. |
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Jun 11, 2018 13:43:45 GMT -5
Always really liked YKWCGB. LATD, much less so. The latter feels really forced imo.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 12, 2018 3:36:55 GMT -5
You are aware the chorus of Lock All The Doors was written in 1991/92, yes? Either the chorus or verse was written a few years back, but nonetheless, there’s a reason why this tune never made the first two Oasis albums, let alone Be Here Now. The chorus is from a 1992 demo. The original demo to 'Lock All The Doors' had the verses that would ultimately be used in My Sister Lover. I agree, it isn't good enough to get anywhere close to Oasis' first two albums, but that wasn't the point? You said it was a guy in his 40s chasing his 20s... but the main bit of the song was written while Noel was in his 20s... |
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Post by matt on Jun 12, 2018 16:03:16 GMT -5
Either the chorus or verse was written a few years back, but nonetheless, there’s a reason why this tune never made the first two Oasis albums, let alone Be Here Now. The chorus is from a 1992 demo. The original demo to 'Lock All The Doors' had the verses that would ultimately be used in My Sister Lover. I agree, it isn't good enough to get anywhere close to Oasis' first two albums, but that wasn't the point? You said it was a guy in his 40s chasing his 20s... but the main bit of the song was written while Noel was in his 20s... Doesn’t matter, whenever he wrote it was always sounding like a middle aged man trying to get down with the kids! |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 13, 2018 8:10:56 GMT -5
I do really like the chords in Lock All the Doors. Love playing it with a capo on the 3rd fret, just a really cool sounding set of chords
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Post by importantlyidle on Jul 5, 2018 13:38:49 GMT -5
LATD doesn't bother me at all, fucking Record Machine without Liam will piss me off forever though as it turned to shit on NGHFB  |
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