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Post by mossy on Jan 12, 2018 16:38:57 GMT -5
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Post by theseventwenty on Jan 12, 2018 17:16:12 GMT -5
Guess we won't be hearing Cast No Shadow live for a while then...
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Post by batfink30 on Jan 12, 2018 17:17:53 GMT -5
Yeah.
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Post by mossy on Jan 12, 2018 17:30:16 GMT -5
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Post by ournoel775 on Jan 13, 2018 23:03:52 GMT -5
Again...Noel comes out of this poorly. RA is a northern legend. He’s written most all his songs, help or not.
The David Holmes leading him thru the studio qualifies for as much of a collaboration as co-writing.
Liam says it best...I’m a singer, not a writer, i’ll Take the good song and sing it like I want.
Noel should stick to being a football pundit. He’s good at that and his attempts at humor some of them are getting more dark/less funny. Hating on Brian Wilson when ILITL sounds just like the Beach Boys... weird.
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Post by Jack on Jan 13, 2018 23:10:15 GMT -5
The only positive I can see coming out of this is I think Richard will most likely perform at Liams Finsbury Park gig, or even collaborate with him at some point. Props to Liam for defending Richard on Twitter too.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jan 13, 2018 23:20:41 GMT -5
Maybe Ashcroft would be better getting others to write for him since his solo stuff stinks.
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Post by ournoel775 on Jan 16, 2018 22:22:08 GMT -5
Can’t leave this thread like that. Ashcroft most definitely does not suck.
Ashcroft had the gumption to go solo straight away, and every one of his albums has at least 4-5 bangin tunes on it. Some folks hated it, but his groove album w/ the United Nations of Sounds is dynamite IMHO.
He even had the gall to call out NG on Twitter over this BS rant. Any chance of him serving as mediator between the Liam/Noel peace talks of the 2020’s is over.
RA has been super tough to catch in the USA, so I was thrilled to catch him at Castlefield Bowl in MCR this past summer. He’s got a cannon of tunes and all the street cred of the Gallaghers.
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Post by bt95 on Jan 17, 2018 3:35:03 GMT -5
Can’t leave this thread like that. Ashcroft most definitely does not suck. Ashcroft had the gumption to go solo straight away, and every one of his albums has at least 4-5 bangin tunes on it. Some folks hated it, but his groove album w/ the United Nations of Sounds is dynamite IMHO. He even had the gall to call out NG on Twitter over this BS rant. Any chance of him serving as mediator between the Liam/Noel peace talks of the 2020’s is over. RA has been super tough to catch in the USA, so I was thrilled to catch him at Castlefield Bowl in MCR this past summer. He’s got a cannon of tunes and all the street cred of the Gallaghers. yeh I like Ashcroft, and it was a stupid thing for Noel to say because he clearly does write his own songs
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Post by bt95 on Jan 17, 2018 3:35:47 GMT -5
Again...Noel comes out of this poorly. RA is a northern legend. He’s written most all his songs, help or not. The David Holmes leading him thru the studio qualifies for as much of a collaboration as co-writing. Liam says it best...I’m a singer, not a writer, i’ll Take the good song and sing it like I want. Noel should stick to being a football pundit. He’s good at that and his attempts at humor some of them are getting more dark/less funny. Hating on Brian Wilson when ILITL sounds just like the Beach Boys... weird. In fairness, I think Noel has always hated Brian Wilson. I remember reading/seeing a vid where he slagged him off in the 90s
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:31:42 GMT -5
How things change. One day you are dedicating a song to a guy and the other you are throwing shade at them while you are best mates with a guy whose solo career is arguably as underwhelming if not more.
There´s still parts of Noel i truly like, when we see the old Noel, like that Christmas segment which was fucking hilarious but there are certain things i don´t get. But heck, last year we saw Liam make peace with Chris Martin, so i don´t know what to think anymore.
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 17, 2018 22:11:04 GMT -5
In fairness, I think Noel has always hated Brian Wilson. I remember reading/seeing a vid where he slagged him off in the 90s To be honest, I can understand where Noel is coming from on Brian Wilson. 7-8 songs deep is about as far as I want to go on the Beach Boys. Granted, the cream of the crop is astonishingly good, but I just don't like the BB's sound. And in my view, his stance on Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys is completely off the mark. From a guy who loves The Left Banke, it seems to come off as just pure stubbornness at this point.
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Post by bt95 on Jan 18, 2018 3:59:10 GMT -5
In fairness, I think Noel has always hated Brian Wilson. I remember reading/seeing a vid where he slagged him off in the 90s To be honest, I can understand where Noel is coming from on Brian Wilson. 7-8 songs deep is about as far as I want to go on the Beach Boys. Granted, the cream of the crop is astonishingly good, but I just don't like the BB's sound. I've never listened to all of Pet Sounds. It bores me. I'm not into their stuff. Don't get the hype. Noel does have a tendency to be a lil' bitch and why he's targeted Ashcroft baffles me a bit as they've always been really complimentary about each other and Ashcroft does write his own songs. But Noel's never changed his stance on Brian Wilson. I'm not sure if he likes the Beach Boys' stuff or not, but he's always hated on Wilson.
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Post by mockba08 on Jan 18, 2018 4:01:57 GMT -5
To be honest, I can understand where Noel is coming from on Brian Wilson. 7-8 songs deep is about as far as I want to go on the Beach Boys. Granted, the cream of the crop is astonishingly good, but I just don't like the BB's sound. I've never listened to all of Pet Sounds. It bores me. I'm not into their stuff. Don't get the hype. Noel does have a tendency to be a lil' bitch and why he's targeted Ashcroft baffles me a bit as they've always been really complimentary about each other and Ashcroft does write his own songs. But Noel's never changed his stance on Brian Wilson. I'm not sure if he likes the Beach Boys' stuff or not, but he's always hated on Wilson. Seeing Brian Wilson 'perform' at Kendal Calling was my highlight of the year. He literally did fuck all. They just wheeled him on, plonked him infront of a keyboard and then everyone else did the work #LAD.
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Post by bt95 on Jan 18, 2018 5:06:11 GMT -5
I've never listened to all of Pet Sounds. It bores me. I'm not into their stuff. Don't get the hype. Noel does have a tendency to be a lil' bitch and why he's targeted Ashcroft baffles me a bit as they've always been really complimentary about each other and Ashcroft does write his own songs. But Noel's never changed his stance on Brian Wilson. I'm not sure if he likes the Beach Boys' stuff or not, but he's always hated on Wilson. Seeing Brian Wilson 'perform' at Kendal Calling was my highlight of the year. He literally did fuck all. They just wheeled him on, plonked him infront of a keyboard and then everyone else did the work #LAD. I probably need to sit down and listen to all of it, baked, chilled out and just ready to soak in it. But I don't know, it's never grabbed me. And it's not like I wasn't ready to like it. I had been told how amazing Pet Sounds was so I was expecting 'Revolver' level quality. I just didn't really get it.
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 18, 2018 9:21:06 GMT -5
Seeing Brian Wilson 'perform' at Kendal Calling was my highlight of the year. He literally did fuck all. They just wheeled him on, plonked him infront of a keyboard and then everyone else did the work #LAD. I probably need to sit down and listen to all of it, baked, chilled out and just ready to soak in it. But I don't know, it's never grabbed me. And it's not like I wasn't ready to like it. I had been told how amazing Pet Sounds was so I was expecting 'Revolver' level quality. I just didn't really get it. I don't know if this is your own situation, but for the longest time I had a difficult time liking something if it didn't sound a bit like things that I had heard before. In other words, I loved the Bee Gees 1st album because it sounded like The Beatles. But if I had no frame of reference in order to appreciate the artist, it would take me a long time to like them - as was the case with, say, Randy Newman or Van Morrison's Astral Weeks. So it's interesting that you mention Revolver because that's my favourite album and quite often it would be my point of comparison. If an album did things similar to Revolver, it would be great. Not that the songs were necessary similar but if it had the same vibe, it would be great. So, The Stone Roses first album is a great example of that. It has a Revolver vibe about it. An album like Pet Sounds though really doesn't sound like anything else - at least not at that time (there have been quite a few imitators since). It certainly doesn't sound like Revolver and it certainly doesn't sound like, say, Let It Bleed or What's the Story Morning Glory. And that's what makes it a bit of a difficult listen at first but, for me, once it became clear what it's "thing" was - what it was trying to do - it clicked with me and now it's my second favourite album. It also launched The Beach Boys to my second favourite band because once Pet Sounds clicked, I became invested in Brian Wilson's journey to that album, in terms of his earlier music, and what happened after.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jan 18, 2018 14:58:58 GMT -5
Ashcroft had the gumption to go solo straight away, Nah, hadn't the nerve to make UH his first solo album which is what it was meant to be. He knows the truth though, he's nothing without The Verve.
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Post by glider on Jan 18, 2018 22:32:28 GMT -5
Ashcroft had the gumption to go solo straight away, Nah, hadn't the nerve to make UH his first solo album which is what it was meant to be. He knows the truth though, he's nothing without The Verve. Second part 100%, but the first is not true at all. He reformed the band in 1996 without McCabe under the name The Verve - Urban Hymns was always meant to be LP3, just a very different style compared to ASIH and ANS. The UH supposed to be his first solo album statement is revisionist history Richard has conjured up in the past few years.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 19, 2018 2:11:09 GMT -5
In fairness, I think Noel has always hated Brian Wilson. I remember reading/seeing a vid where he slagged him off in the 90s To be honest, I can understand where Noel is coming from on Brian Wilson. 7-8 songs deep is about as far as I want to go on the Beach Boys. Granted, the cream of the crop is astonishingly good, but I just don't like the BB's sound. What sound would that be?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 19, 2018 2:12:17 GMT -5
To be honest, I can understand where Noel is coming from on Brian Wilson. 7-8 songs deep is about as far as I want to go on the Beach Boys. Granted, the cream of the crop is astonishingly good, but I just don't like the BB's sound. I've never listened to all of Pet Sounds. It bores me. I'm not into their stuff. Don't get the hype. Noel does have a tendency to be a lil' bitch and why he's targeted Ashcroft baffles me a bit as they've always been really complimentary about each other and Ashcroft does write his own songs. But Noel's never changed his stance on Brian Wilson. I'm not sure if he likes the Beach Boys' stuff or not, but he's always hated on Wilson. Well, he put Good Vibrations in some kind of summer playlist last year (or the year before)
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 19, 2018 2:31:11 GMT -5
I probably need to sit down and listen to all of it, baked, chilled out and just ready to soak in it. But I don't know, it's never grabbed me. And it's not like I wasn't ready to like it. I had been told how amazing Pet Sounds was so I was expecting 'Revolver' level quality. I just didn't really get it. I don't know if this is your own situation, but for the longest time I had a difficult time liking something if it didn't sound a bit like things that I had heard before. In other words, I loved the Bee Gees 1st album because it sounded like The Beatles. But if I had no frame of reference in order to appreciate the artist, it would take me a long time to like them - as was the case with, say, Randy Newman or Van Morrison's Astral Weeks. So it's interesting that you mention Revolver because that's my favourite album and quite often it would be my point of comparison. If an album did things similar to Revolver, it would be great. Not that the songs were necessary similar but if it had the same vibe, it would be great. So, The Stone Roses first album is a great example of that. It has a Revolver vibe about it. An album like Pet Sounds though really doesn't sound like anything else - at least not at that time (there have been quite a few imitators since). It certainly doesn't sound like Revolver and it certainly doesn't sound like, say, Let It Bleed or What's the Story Morning Glory. And that's what makes it a bit of a difficult listen at first but, for me, once it became clear what it's "thing" was - what it was trying to do - it clicked with me and now it's my second favourite album. It also launched The Beach Boys to my second favourite band because once Pet Sounds clicked, I became invested in Brian Wilson's journey to that album, in terms of his earlier music, and what happened after. Cool, our album top 2 is the same. I started listening to it thanks to my younger brother. He somehow got into the Beach Boys and became completely obsessed and one day he just asked me if I ever listened to them. I said no. He asked my why not, because I love the Beatles AND God Only Knows was my favourite song of all time. I really didn't know why I never listened to them, or just Pet Sounds. Then he kind of forced me to watch Love and Mercy with him and the rest is history. A very fascinating band with some great albums (well, up to Holland). I saw Brian Wilson last year and musically it was amazing, but the poor guy didn't really look happy (and didn't sound very good). He didn't know how to get off the stage as fast as he could during Caroline No. The singing ended and gone he was.
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Post by bt95 on Jan 19, 2018 3:31:14 GMT -5
I've never listened to all of Pet Sounds. It bores me. I'm not into their stuff. Don't get the hype. Noel does have a tendency to be a lil' bitch and why he's targeted Ashcroft baffles me a bit as they've always been really complimentary about each other and Ashcroft does write his own songs. But Noel's never changed his stance on Brian Wilson. I'm not sure if he likes the Beach Boys' stuff or not, but he's always hated on Wilson. Well, he put Good Vibrations in some kind of summer playlist last year (or the year before) Yeh I'm pretty sure he's a big fan of the BB's stuff - he just doesn't like Wilson, for whatever reason. Think it's the whole 'not touring' thing, but then again, the Beatles did that.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 19, 2018 3:51:00 GMT -5
Well, he put Good Vibrations in some kind of summer playlist last year (or the year before) Yeh I'm pretty sure he's a big fan of the BB's stuff - he just doesn't like Wilson, for whatever reason. Think it's the whole 'not touring' thing, but then again, the Beatles did that. The Beach Boys always toured. It's just Brian who didn't (for a couple of years)
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Post by bt95 on Jan 19, 2018 4:45:01 GMT -5
Yeh I'm pretty sure he's a big fan of the BB's stuff - he just doesn't like Wilson, for whatever reason. Think it's the whole 'not touring' thing, but then again, the Beatles did that. The Beach Boys always toured. It's just Brian who didn't (for a couple of years) Yeh I'm sure I heard/saw/read an interview with Noel from around the SOTSOG/HC era when he slates Wilson for that. Or says something like 'What do people expect? Become a recluse like Brian Wilson' I can't quite place it though so maybe I've just made it up lol
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 19, 2018 8:59:27 GMT -5
I don't know if this is your own situation, but for the longest time I had a difficult time liking something if it didn't sound a bit like things that I had heard before. In other words, I loved the Bee Gees 1st album because it sounded like The Beatles. But if I had no frame of reference in order to appreciate the artist, it would take me a long time to like them - as was the case with, say, Randy Newman or Van Morrison's Astral Weeks. So it's interesting that you mention Revolver because that's my favourite album and quite often it would be my point of comparison. If an album did things similar to Revolver, it would be great. Not that the songs were necessary similar but if it had the same vibe, it would be great. So, The Stone Roses first album is a great example of that. It has a Revolver vibe about it. An album like Pet Sounds though really doesn't sound like anything else - at least not at that time (there have been quite a few imitators since). It certainly doesn't sound like Revolver and it certainly doesn't sound like, say, Let It Bleed or What's the Story Morning Glory. And that's what makes it a bit of a difficult listen at first but, for me, once it became clear what it's "thing" was - what it was trying to do - it clicked with me and now it's my second favourite album. It also launched The Beach Boys to my second favourite band because once Pet Sounds clicked, I became invested in Brian Wilson's journey to that album, in terms of his earlier music, and what happened after. Cool, our album top 2 is the same. I started listening to it thanks to my younger brother. He somehow got into the Beach Boys and became completely obsessed and one day he just asked me if I ever listened to them. I said no. He asked my why not, because I love the Beatles AND God Only Knows was my favourite song of all time. I really didn't know why I never listened to them, or just Pet Sounds. Then he kind of forced me to watch Love and Mercy with him and the rest is history. A very fascinating band with some great albums (well, up to Holland). I saw Brian Wilson last year and musically it was amazing, but the poor guy didn't really look happy (and didn't sound very good). He didn't know how to get off the stage as fast as he could during Caroline No. The singing ended and gone he was. Awesome! I've seen Brian Wilson a bunch of times now. I first saw him in the summer of 2000 when he was doing the Pet Sounds tour for the first time. At that point, Brian being on the road was new - he had done maybe one big tour the year before or something like that. The fact that he was back on tour, doing Pet Sounds with a band who could play it pretty much note perfect, seemed like a triumph at the time. Of course, his voice wasn't the same - he couldn't hit high notes and the audience applauded when he held a note for more than five seconds. And his notorious stage fright meant that he would only speak in pat lines and pre-scripted one liners. But overall, he seemed like he was in really good shape. I saw him again maybe a year later in the same venue opening for Paul Simon. This was more of a best-of show but he performed a couple of the Smile songs which was a big deal because up until that 2001 tour, his point was that Smile was inappropriate music and that he was right to shelve it, even when fans had been considering it to be his best work. Then the big news came that he was actually finishing Smile and turning it into a concert performance. I went to see that and that was probably Brian at his best when I have seen it. He seemed happy and alert and genuinely glad to be doing these performances. I saw him again around 2011 and he was good but the band was really carrying him at this point. Then I saw the Beach Boys reunion tour in 2012 and again this seemed like a period of renewal where he was quite happy and engaged though noticeably older than he was during the Smile tour of 2003. And the last time I saw him was in 2016, for the Pet Sounds tour. Again, the band was good but your experience pretty much sums up my thoughts about that concert. He was completely uninterested in being there, he barely phrased the lines of the music into melody and he vanished at the first opportunity. I do think that to some degree, it was time for him to take a break from touring. But as you can probably tell, I think he's great!
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