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Post by globe on Nov 17, 2004 16:23:42 GMT -5
Im currently watching the Spain v England game. Every time one of Englands black players touches the ball they are being subjected to some disgusting racial abuse. Anyone from Spain care to explain what the fuck is going on? I thought this sort of shite at football games was consigned to the dustbin a long long time ago. This sort of shit makes me want to throw up. Fucking scumbags! Get a fucking grip!!!!
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Post by peregrin on Nov 17, 2004 16:49:04 GMT -5
yes, I don't understand nothing, these things never happened (I only saw it in this match), but there were a bit of the audience, not everybody, you know, the five fucking stupids skinheads with their fascists flags, and Luis Aragones is not racist, but he talks too much, like the englidh journalists.
On the other hand, what about rooney? is a fuckin' friendly match
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Post by peregrin on Nov 17, 2004 16:50:29 GMT -5
1-0 ;D
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Post by dixonhill on Nov 17, 2004 17:09:17 GMT -5
it was outrageous. sickening.
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Post by maketradefair on Nov 17, 2004 17:50:59 GMT -5
yea, the spain fans were disgusting tonight.
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Post by Columbia on Nov 18, 2004 3:32:18 GMT -5
Stupid vaginas that booed. It wasnt your typical uncompetetive friendly was it?, both sides were giving it out a bit.
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Post by globe on Nov 18, 2004 8:31:02 GMT -5
yes, I don't understand nothing, these things never happened (I only saw it in this match), but there were a bit of the audience, not everybody, you know, the five fucking stupids skinheads with their fascists flags, and Luis Aragones is not racist, but he talks too much, like the englidh journalists. On the other hand, what about rooney? is a fuckin' friendly match I realise the sort of morons who partake in this shit are a minority, but I still find it unbelieveable this sort of thing could happen inside a football stadium in a city such as Madrid in 2004. If I was sitting next to any of these shit heads I wouldnt have just sat there and ignored it thats for sure. These lowlife scumbags need to be weeded out of our society. As for Rooney, some player with some amount of talent, but he's also a first-class headcase who will probably piss his carreer up a wall like Gazza did. |
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Post by daysleeper on Nov 19, 2004 14:34:19 GMT -5
Anyone from Spain care to explain what the fuck is going on? I thought this sort of shite at football games was consigned to the dustbin a long long time ago. arent you from scotland? I guess you must live your life with your hands over your ears or something because racism and xenophobia is still widespread in british football, and in britain generally! Europe and the US is no different. Many countries in continental Europe are far worse than us- as Spain just proved and i have to presume you havent been to a rangers v celtic match!! my god - you try and stand up to the discrimination there and you might find yourself waking up in hospital... I was shocked by the abuse being thrown - not because it was being thrown, but because it happened to be in the form of monkey chants! it was laughable. i wouldnt be offended by it - i would just feel sorry for the sad people who are so ignorant to do that But my point is that racism and a general anti-foreigner attitude is still widespread throughout many soceities. Its the way most people are brought up. Every country in the world has another country it loves to hate - holland hates germany, scotland hates england, iran hates america, everyone hates france..... ;D  Its just the way it is! The only difference is - the people in the Spanish stadium were far more idiotic and unintelligent than the rest of us and so they express their feelings in a more 'prehistoric' style.... |
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Post by globe on Nov 19, 2004 16:55:19 GMT -5
arent you from scotland?I guess you must live your life with your hands over your ears or something because racism and xenophobia is still widespread in british football, and in britain generally! Europe and the US is no different. Many countries in continental Europe are far worse than us- as Spain just proved and i have to presume you havent been to a rangers v celtic match!! my god - you try and stand up to the discrimination there and you might find yourself waking up in hospital... I was shocked by the abuse being thrown - not because it was being thrown, but because it happened to be in the form of monkey chants! it was laughable. i wouldnt be offended by it - i would just feel sorry for the sad people who are so ignorant to do that But my point is that racism and a general anti-foreigner attitude is still widespread throughout many soceities. Its the way most people are brought up. Every country in the world has another country it loves to hate - holland hates germany, scotland hates england, iran hates america, everyone hates france..... ;D Its just the way it is! The only difference is - the people in the Spanish stadium were far more idiotic and unintelligent than the rest of us and so they express their feelings in a more 'prehistoric' style.... Er, yeah Im from Scotland, whats that gotta do with anything? And I cant remeber the last time I was at a football game in this country where a large part of the crowd (the majority?) were making monkey noises at black players. And no I've never been to a Celtic - Rangers game, what would I want to go and watch that shite for? But I have stood up to Old-Firm fans when they've visited my own teams ground. Im called an 'orange bastard' by Celtic fans and a 'catholic bastard' by Rangers fans. Any little moron from Glasgow says that sorta shit to my face and I'm not gonna just stand there and take it am I? As for you last point saying 'its just the way it is'. Im sorry but thats a very scarey attitude to have mate. This wasnt the usual banter you get at football matches like at a Scotland v England game. Why were the Spanish fans only booing Englands black players? To have a 'its just the way it is' attitude is dangerous. Thats just the attitude the world had towards Hitler and the Nazi party in 1930's Germany. And I dont need to tell you what that lunatic got up to! The reason I was so shocked about the whole thing was that it was in Madrid. A supposedly modern multi-cultural city. I could understand it more if it was in some back-water in the former Soviet Republic or somewhere. These right-wing extremists are trying to sneak back onto the football terraces and in my view they should all burn in hell. |
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Post by dixonhill on Nov 19, 2004 16:59:38 GMT -5
...but we don't make monkey sounds whenever a black player touches the ball (or even gets near it, as was the case on wednesday), nor do we sing racist songs (like was the case on wednesday) at sporting events.
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Post by peregrin on Nov 20, 2004 5:19:19 GMT -5
you're making a world, spanish fans have never been racist but wednesday I think the did it just to fuck off all english people, Spain hates england(hooligans), remember that, and everyone hates france ;D |
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Post by dixonhill on Nov 20, 2004 7:20:39 GMT -5
you're making a world, spanish fans have never been racist but wednesday I think the did it just to fuck off all english people, Spain hates england(hooligans), remember that, and everyone hates france ;D i'd rather be a hooligan than a racist anyday. |
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Post by mar on Nov 20, 2004 13:19:53 GMT -5
ds i cant believe that post it aint laughable-i love spain cos ive bin to so many spanish territories & always found the locals so welcoming i always support spain if theyre not playin england.......but spain MUST be forced to play their next world cup qualifier behind closed doors-that way hopefully the idiots behind this will get the message the biggest wrong was not stoppin the game & gettin raoul and aragones to stand in the centre circle with mikes & tell those fuckin eejits to shut the fuck up there are plenty of pics in the uk press clearly showin those responsible & they must be id'd & banned  |
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Post by Columbia on Nov 21, 2004 12:18:42 GMT -5
you're making a world, spanish fans have never been racist but wednesday I think the did it just to fuck off all english people, Spain hates england(hooligans), remember that, and everyone hates france ;D I find it really sad the way you can try and justify it by saying its just to piss off england fans. There's absolutely no excuse for anyone that booed the black players in that game or any other game. The people that did boo should be banned from going to any football match ever again for the rest of their lives. Mar - Do you really think playing one game behind closed doors will make any difference though. I think there would have to be a harsher punishment then that for the fans of spain and the rest of the world to take notice of the consequences that face them if they do racists chants. |
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Post by globe on Nov 21, 2004 15:20:29 GMT -5
I find it really sad the way you can try and justify it by saying its just to piss off england fans. There's absolutely no excuse for anyone that booed the black players in that game or any other game. The people that did boo should be banned from going to any football match ever again for the rest of their lives. Mar - Do you really think playing one game behind closed doors will make any difference though. I think there would have to be a harsher punishment then that for the fans of spain and the rest of the world to take notice of the consequences that face them if they do racists chants. I agree with you columbia, playing the next game or games behind closed doors will do jack-shit at the end of the day. For a start Aragones should come out from under his rock and explain exactly what the fuck he's was on about before the game and what his snide little comment to Reyes about Henry was all about a few weeks ago. Secondly, Spain should be chucked out the World Cup qualifiers. Tough measures like that are the only way to make these clown know Fifa and Uefa are serious about getting this sorta shit out of the game for good. |
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Post by Columbia on Nov 21, 2004 15:26:34 GMT -5
I agree, It would certainly make everyone take notice about it all.
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Post by mar on Nov 21, 2004 18:40:07 GMT -5
I find it really sad the way you can try and justify it by saying its just to piss off england fans. There's absolutely no excuse for anyone that booed the black players in that game or any other game. The people that did boo should be banned from going to any football match ever again for the rest of their lives. Mar - Do you really think playing one game behind closed doors will make any difference though. I think there would have to be a harsher punishment then that for the fans of spain and the rest of the world to take notice of the consequences that face them if they do racists chants. tough one i still believe vast majority of spaniards are cool have spent many an hour in a tapas bar with them supportin their local team yes............a game behind closed doors will make a difference-"shape up or ship out"-but as i said it needs raoul & tosser arragones to denounce this shit to spain & tell them if it continues they & the team WILL suffer |
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Post by peregrin on Nov 22, 2004 9:22:45 GMT -5
there are many things to feel sad...and, one thing. Aragones explained the thing about henry, and he said that he was sorry, there are news in england? or only that shit of the sun?
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Post by globe on Nov 22, 2004 14:17:26 GMT -5
there are many things to feel sad...and, one thing. Aragones explained the thing about henry, and he said that he was sorry, there are news in england? or only that shit of the sun? I wouldnt wipe my arse with that rag The Sun. What about all that mince Aragones was talking about before the England game about the British empire? What the fuck does that have to with anything? |
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Post by daysleeper on Nov 22, 2004 14:34:19 GMT -5
Er, yeah Im from Scotland, whats that gotta do with anything? And I cant remeber the last time I was at a football game in this country where a large part of the crowd (the majority?) were making monkey noises at black players. my point was that you're from scotland so you must be familiar with the widespread discrimination present in british football (and society as a whole). Maybe not in the form of monkey chants - but trust me, its there. my overall point was that racism and discrimination in various forms is still around. it never went away! In fact in some respects its more prevalent than it has been in a long time - thanks to the current terrorism problems. People are focusing on spain and the monkey chants - but the problems are widespread and have always been there! my 'thats just the way it is' comment was about that - the fact that discrimination and xenophobia is everywhere. i wasnt saying we should be apathetic about it. you cannot deal with a person's base beliefs and attitudes (no matter how ignorant they may be) through playing football matches behind closed doors or banning people from games! these are deep-seated issues that should be handled by governments. and which take decades and generations to resolve! Of course, sport has a part to play in opening people's minds. So does the media, television etc. But it all has to be a part of a concerted effort by the entire population. Otherwise all you do is silence the racists for 90minutes during a football match. What do you think they do after that? Sing the praises of black people? Party with their islamic friends? yeah right... This is societies problem to deal with. Football only has a side role. Which is why im pretty much against abandoning matches or kicking teams out of tournaments. I just dont see how those forms of punishment can truly help. on the other hand, anything that can at least give some help to showing people the way forward is a good thing. But i'm sure Spain and everyone else can come up with more productive methods of fighting discrimination. ...but we don't make monkey sounds whenever a black player touches the ball (or even gets near it, as was the case on wednesday), nor do we sing racist songs (like was the case on wednesday) at sporting events. England V Turkey 2003 English FA was fined £70'000 as a result of english fans chanting "I'd rather be a paki than a turk" during the game.... it was a charming tune.... |
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Post by globe on Nov 22, 2004 14:52:36 GMT -5
my point was that you're from scotland so you must be familiar with the widespread discrimination present in british football (and society as a whole). Maybe not in the form of monkey chants - but trust me, its there. my overall point was that racism and discrimination in various forms is still around. it never went away! In fact in some respects its more prevalent than it has been in a long time - thanks to the current terrorism problems. People are focusing on spain and the monkey chants - but the problems are widespread and have always been there! my 'thats just the way it is' comment was about that - the fact that discrimination and xenophobia is everywhere. i wasnt saying we should be apathetic about it. you cannot deal with a person's base beliefs and attitudes (no matter how ignorant they may be) through playing football matches behind closed doors or banning people from games! these are deep-seated issues that should be handled by governments. and which take decades and generations to resolve! Of course, sport has a part to play in opening people's minds. So does the media, television etc. But it all has to be a part of a concerted effort by the entire population. Otherwise all you do is silence the racists for 90minutes during a football match. What do you think they do after that? Sing the praises of black people? Party with their islamic friends? yeah right... This is societies problem to deal with. Football only has a side role. Which is why im pretty much against abandoning matches or kicking teams out of tournaments. I just dont see how those forms of punishment can truly help. on the other hand, anything that can at least give some help to showing people the way forward is a good thing. But i'm sure Spain and everyone else can come up with more productive methods of fighting discrimination. England V Turkey 2003 English FA was fined £70'000 as a result of english fans chanting "I'd rather be a paki than a turk" during the game.... it was a charming tune.... Good point, well made. I realise that there is always gonna be people with racist / bigoted / zenophobic views. And I know that chucking football clubs / international teams out of tournaments isnt gonna stop these people having these views or solve societys problems concering these issues. What it might do though is, stop the people who have these retarded views / opinions from airing them at football stadiums, meaning people like Shuan Wright Philips, Ashley Cole etc can go about their jobs without having to suffer such sickening abuse. I wouldnt stand for that sort of abuse at work, they shoudn't have to either. |
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Post by daysleeper on Nov 22, 2004 15:08:39 GMT -5
What it might do though is, stop the people who have these retarded views / opinions from airing them at football stadiums, meaning people like Shuan Wright Philips, Ashley Cole etc can go about their jobs without having to suffer such sickening abuse. I wouldnt stand for that sort of abuse at work, they shoudn't have to either. yeah you're quite right and maybe those measures are suitable in some respects. its a difficult situation though - how far can a supporter go before their actions or chants are deemed to turn from harmless sporting rivalry to full blown disrimination and hatred? david beckham once had to put up with fans shouting that they hoped his wife and children die of cancer....should he of walked off the pitch? he certainly shouldnt have to put up with that abuse at work! what about the people who boo other countries national anthems? or the ones who burn national flags? for me, these issues go far beyond the idiotic chants of those people during the england spain game. And it is unfair to crucify spain alone for the problems which go right through european and world football |
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Post by masterplan200 on Nov 22, 2004 20:56:16 GMT -5
Horrible...my Aunt comes from Spain (South American born though)
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Post by mar on Nov 24, 2004 12:28:31 GMT -5
my point about makin spain play their next qualifier behind closed doors was based on the followin
yea attitudes take years to change
but sports idols can influence people-which is why aragones is so accountable for his ridiculous remarks AND for his refusal to comment on the question of the chants right after the game-he could have condemned them, said they had no place, troublemakers would be sought out & punished (there was of course clear vid evidence) etc etc etc
and why i think if spain are punished by playin a game behind closed doors it gives the opportunity for the spanish media, manager and players to condemn the culprits & remind all those normal spanish fans that they too should not tolerate & if they are near it should turn on it
today one fan was sentenced to (i think) prison plus £1000 fine for his monkey taunts a few days later at the birmingam game, aimed at dwight yorke-he was caught on vid, conndemned & turned himself in to the police
he says he will write a personal leter of apology to dwight
....and you think we cant (start to) change attitudes?
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Post by daysleeper on Nov 25, 2004 16:47:54 GMT -5
today one fan was sentenced to (i think) prison plus £1000 fine for his monkey taunts a few days later at the birmingam game, aimed at dwight yorke-he was caught on vid, conndemned & turned himself in to the police he says he will write a personal leter of apology to dwight ....and you think we cant (start to) change attitudes? yeah we can - but this guy has been punished by the law. the game wasnt called off, birmingham arent being forced to play behind closed doors because of his actions the incident was dealt with by society, not by a sport. That is how it should be One point i have to make - does anyone think this guy would of been punished and highlighted in the national media if he hadnt made a racist action? What if his actions were to insult Dwight Yorke's religion, or family or the country where he is from? i doubt it. It seems that as far as sport is concerned - the only form of discrimination and hatred that is widely condemned is racism. i see your points about giving various spanish people the chance to condemn the racist behaviour and hopefully show people that its wrong. But would that really happen? Spain were hardly rushing to apologise over the incident, the manager couldnt care less, and it seems that a strong racist section exists within the general spanish population. i dont think football can solve these problems. yeah it can help, but come on - the spanish government needs to act. |
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