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Post by Velo on Dec 5, 2017 17:05:57 GMT -5
DLBIA is a step higher on the recordings and tbqf, his new rendition is a lot better than the acoustic versions he peddled in the 90s. It is bullshit considering he barely, if ever, plays songs that Liam sang on and the ones he did, with few exceptions, were usually left in the original key. ban that person! best versions of DLBIA according to me 1. original 2. live electric 3. acoustic in different key 4. acoustic in original key TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT I DARE SAY
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Post by philko87 on Dec 5, 2017 17:53:21 GMT -5
Benson and Hedges are terrific names for cats.
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Post by walterglass on Dec 5, 2017 18:28:04 GMT -5
Class 👏🏻
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Post by janedoe on Dec 5, 2017 18:31:25 GMT -5
hilarious!! imagine if he had registered here, we would be all shouting "GTFO you troll" He does keep registering, you keep banning him Ha Ha. Looking forward to the "Is Noel a troll on this forum" poll
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Post by caro on Dec 5, 2017 18:43:29 GMT -5
That was so funny! 😂
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Post by supernovastar94 on Dec 5, 2017 19:58:18 GMT -5
Opportunity missed from GQ not having him registering here haha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 21:41:28 GMT -5
God may not exist but I'm still gonna thank him for the return of Funny Noel. We've missed ya pal, great to have you back.
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Post by janedoe on Dec 5, 2017 23:02:03 GMT -5
God may not exist but I'm still gonna thank him for the return of Funny Noel. We've missed ya pal, great to have you back. More of this Noel please. I knew he still had it.
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Post by bt95 on Dec 6, 2017 4:28:57 GMT -5
Brilliant segment. Noel was born for shit like this. I do, however, need to call bullshit on the key change comment. Doesn’t he change the key to DLBIA nowadays, despite it always being a song he sang lead on? And if key changes were commonplace, why weren’t Acquiesce and Force of Nature, for example, lowered so Liam could sing them? The excuse given for Noel singing them has always been that Liam couldn’t reach the high notes. It depends on whether he is playing it acoustic or electric. When he plays it on an electric guitar, as for most of the CY tour, he plays the version in the right key. When he plays it acoustically - more than likely just to make it much easier to play - he moves it down to Capo fourth fret (not sure exactly what key that is).
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Post by eva on Dec 6, 2017 5:24:11 GMT -5
hilarious!! imagine if he had registered here, we would be all shouting "GTFO you troll" He does keep registering, you keep banning him plot twist: Tone was actually Noel
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 14:55:16 GMT -5
He does keep registering, you keep banning him plot twist: Tone was actually Noel Noel's just signed up again and banned again
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Post by drummert5 on Dec 6, 2017 15:09:37 GMT -5
Brilliant segment. Noel was born for shit like this. I do, however, need to call bullshit on the key change comment. Doesn’t he change the key to DLBIA nowadays, despite it always being a song he sang lead on? And if key changes were commonplace, why weren’t Acquiesce and Force of Nature, for example, lowered so Liam could sing them? The excuse given for Noel singing them has always been that Liam couldn’t reach the high notes. It depends on whether he is playing it acoustic or electric. When he plays it on an electric guitar, as for most of the CY tour, he plays the version in the right key. When he plays it acoustically - more than likely just to make it much easier to play - he moves it down to Capo fourth fret (not sure exactly what key that is). Correct, he plays it in B acoustically, and in the original key of C electric. There are a couple of potential reasons for that: - when he plays it capo 4 in B, he’s playing the chords as if it were in G, and it’s possible that’s either uncomfortable or sounds bad when played a fret higher - As it feels completely different anyway, people would be less likely to notice if he dropped it half step to give his voice a break. - It would be more complicated to drop the electric version down as piano intro would sound very odd in B, and (this I suspect is the main reason we’ll only ever hear the electric version in C) Noel would have to relearn the solo in a differnt key. As far as the “lowering keys for Liam” thing, as far as I know the only songs Noel regularly sings in a *higher* key than the recordings are - Half The World Away (C to D) which he originally sang anyway - Wonderwall (A to Bb) - Whatever (G to Bb) - Married With Children (E to G) Any others?
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Post by bt95 on Dec 6, 2017 15:29:45 GMT -5
It depends on whether he is playing it acoustic or electric. When he plays it on an electric guitar, as for most of the CY tour, he plays the version in the right key. When he plays it acoustically - more than likely just to make it much easier to play - he moves it down to Capo fourth fret (not sure exactly what key that is). Correct, he plays it in B acoustically, and in the original key of C electric. There are a couple of potential reasons for that: - when he plays it capo 4 in B, he’s playing the chords as if it were in G, and it’s possible that’s either uncomfortable or sounds bad when played a fret higher - As it feels completely different anyway, people would be less likely to notice if he dropped it half step to give his voice a break. - It would be more complicated to drop the electric version down as piano intro would sound very odd in B, and (this I suspect is the main reason we’ll only ever hear the electric version in C) Noel would have to relearn the solo in a differnt key. As far as the “lowering keys for Liam” thing, as far as I know the only songs Noel regularly sings in a *higher* key than the recordings are - Half The World Away (C to D) which he originally sang anyway - Wonderwall (A to Bb) - Whatever (G to Bb) - Married With Children (E to G) Any others?not sure tbh mate - but all of what you say makes sense to me! I'm not great with which key is which really, or what tuning a step or half a step down does. I certainly think it's easier to play DLBIA with a capo on 4, just as you say because it is played in G and you can pretty much keep your bottom two fingers down throughout, which makes it easier to learn. I'm a guitar novice, but would love to be able to play Married With Children like the version he did in 2002 - 2005 (see vid). If anyone could help with the chords for that, it'd be great (it's too hard for me to play at the moment in the original key).
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Post by mancraider on Dec 6, 2017 15:30:00 GMT -5
Did he lower keys to suit Liam though? I remember it being a popular opinion on here that one reason for Liam's vocal decline was that Noel wrote songs to suit his own higher voice then refused to change them to suit Liam so that Liam was straining to sing them.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 6, 2017 16:36:22 GMT -5
Hahahaha that video was fucking hilarious. This is why Noel is the best.
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Post by mouth on Dec 6, 2017 16:37:34 GMT -5
Correct, he plays it in B acoustically, and in the original key of C electric. There are a couple of potential reasons for that: - when he plays it capo 4 in B, he’s playing the chords as if it were in G, and it’s possible that’s either uncomfortable or sounds bad when played a fret higher - As it feels completely different anyway, people would be less likely to notice if he dropped it half step to give his voice a break. - It would be more complicated to drop the electric version down as piano intro would sound very odd in B, and (this I suspect is the main reason we’ll only ever hear the electric version in C) Noel would have to relearn the solo in a differnt key. As far as the “lowering keys for Liam” thing, as far as I know the only songs Noel regularly sings in a *higher* key than the recordings are - Half The World Away (C to D) which he originally sang anyway - Wonderwall (A to Bb) - Whatever (G to Bb) - Married With Children (E to G) Any others?not sure tbh mate - but all of what you say makes sense to me! I'm not great with which key is which really, or what tuning a step or half a step down does. I certainly think it's easier to play DLBIA with a capo on 4, just as you say because it is played in G and you can pretty much keep your bottom two fingers down throughout, which makes it easier to learn. I'm a guitar novice, but would love to be able to play Married With Children like the version he did in 2002 - 2005 (see vid). If anyone could help with the chords for that, it'd be great (it's too hard for me to play at the moment in the original key). i haven't heard it, because i can't be arsed to turn my speakers on, but i'd assume it's this one: tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/oasis/married_with_children_chords_521000
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 6, 2017 16:37:48 GMT -5
Opportunity missed from GQ not having him registering here haha For fucking real. I thought the same. Noel could spend hours taking the absolute piss out of this forum and it would be the funniest thing I would ever witness. It bloody well needs to happen!! Could you imagine the carnage!?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 6, 2017 17:03:46 GMT -5
hilarious!! imagine if he had registered here, we would be all shouting "GTFO you troll" Shame he didn't.
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Post by mancraider on Dec 6, 2017 17:05:58 GMT -5
👀all it takes is someone to register an account...
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Post by durk on Dec 6, 2017 17:18:13 GMT -5
havent been around much - been dealing with a very ill family member in the hospital. this is the single best thing Ive seen in a week. Thanks!
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Post by KhanMightSay on Dec 7, 2017 18:27:53 GMT -5
Man, that was bloody brilliant. I pissed myself at the Dave Grohl bit - "I was fucking out of my mind for most of it, so was he in Oasis?" LOL
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Post by mossy on Dec 8, 2017 9:21:02 GMT -5
havent been around much - been dealing with a very ill family member in the hospital. this is the single best thing Ive seen in a week. Thanks! Sorry to hear that Durk, hope all goes well. X
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Post by andymorris on Dec 8, 2017 9:53:10 GMT -5
Did he lower keys to suit Liam though? I remember it being a popular opinion on here that one reason for Liam's vocal decline was that Noel wrote songs to suit his own higher voice then refused to change them to suit Liam so that Liam was straining to sing them. Just quoting you for to add to the debate, which is interesting. Dropping a song a key or half a key can seriously darken a tune, contrary to what Drummer5 is saying. For instance, try and play the whole Mellon collie in the regular key. It was recorded and played entirely down only half a key. It sounds completely different with the regular chords, more poppy, and therefore the sound of the band is changing completely. If Oasis had lowered tunes to better suit Liam's voice at the time, people at gigs would have thought the sound to be weird, but not really knowing why. The songs were written and recorded a certain way because they sounded the best that way. Imagine playing Cigs and Alcohol with a capo on fret 5. It would be sounding ridiculous. Just like Noel playing his tunes now in a higher notes are completely changing the style of the song. Champagne Supernova and DLBIA have become ballads, Whatever too, although they were recorded as rock n roll anthems. IMHO, it was the good decision not to drop the key. Liam should have adjusted his singing style, like he does on the record : sing, and not yell. His voice suffered only because of that, not because he couldn't sing them anymore. But that's another story..
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Post by mancraider on Dec 8, 2017 10:07:19 GMT -5
Did he lower keys to suit Liam though? I remember it being a popular opinion on here that one reason for Liam's vocal decline was that Noel wrote songs to suit his own higher voice then refused to change them to suit Liam so that Liam was straining to sing them. Just quoting you for to add to the debate, which is interesting. Dropping a song a key or half a key can seriously darken a tune, contrary to what Drummer5 is saying. For instance, try and play the whole Mellon collie in the regular key. It was recorded and played entirely down only half a key. It sounds completely different with the regular chords, more poppy, and therefore the sound of the band is changing completely. If Oasis had lowered tunes to better suit Liam's voice at the time, people at gigs would have thought the sound to be weird, but not really knowing why. The songs were written and recorded a certain way because they sounded the best that way. Imagine playing Cigs and Alcohol with a capo on fret 5. It would be sounding ridiculous. Just like Noel playing his tunes now in a higher notes are completely changing the style of the song. Champagne Supernova and DLBIA have become ballads, Whatever too, although they were recorded as rock n roll anthems. IMHO, it was the good decision not to drop the key. Liam should have adjusted his singing style, like he does on the record : sing, and not yell. His voice suffered only because of that, not because he couldn't sing them anymore. But that's another story.. very interesting. I was only asking because I remember clearly that being mentioned in the past but wasnt sure how much truth was in it compared to Noel's claim. Of course they are both happy to bend the facts in order to have a pop at each other. I wasn't really trying to defend Liam in any way.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 8, 2017 10:11:41 GMT -5
Just quoting you for to add to the debate, which is interesting. Dropping a song a key or half a key can seriously darken a tune, contrary to what Drummer5 is saying. For instance, try and play the whole Mellon collie in the regular key. It was recorded and played entirely down only half a key. It sounds completely different with the regular chords, more poppy, and therefore the sound of the band is changing completely. If Oasis had lowered tunes to better suit Liam's voice at the time, people at gigs would have thought the sound to be weird, but not really knowing why. The songs were written and recorded a certain way because they sounded the best that way. Imagine playing Cigs and Alcohol with a capo on fret 5. It would be sounding ridiculous. Just like Noel playing his tunes now in a higher notes are completely changing the style of the song. Champagne Supernova and DLBIA have become ballads, Whatever too, although they were recorded as rock n roll anthems. IMHO, it was the good decision not to drop the key. Liam should have adjusted his singing style, like he does on the record : sing, and not yell. His voice suffered only because of that, not because he couldn't sing them anymore. But that's another story.. very interesting. I was only asking because I remember clearly that being mentioned in the past but wasnt sure how much truth was in it compared to Noel's claim. Of course they are both happy to bend the facts in order to have a pop at each other. I wasn't really trying to defend Liam in any way. I know, I dont believe either of them were deliberately trying to piss off the other. It's just a technical problem to me, Noel would probably have dropped the key if the sound wasn't impacted. Liam is playing Some Might Say on this tour the exact same way it was recorded for instance. So it was definitely a musical decision not to drop the key.
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