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Post by mrmojorisen on Mar 19, 2018 10:37:39 GMT -5
Said it the other week towards the end of the Paris show his vocal level dropped from proper nailing the first half of the gig.
Its clear he still struggling from the end of the European tour and then the Argentina pro shot you see him from the outset trying to clear his throat every time he delivering a few lines its not good the man is ill.
Good on him for trying but it looks like the virus he got is not shifting.
A week off with no travel he be back on point but he defo needs a few days of complete rest if he wants the voice back.
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Post by shannee on Mar 19, 2018 11:21:06 GMT -5
It can be really hard to get over what for most people is a simple cold when you have an auto-immune disorder. Your immune system tends to completely over-react causing massive inflammation, so the cold gets much worse, deeper, and last a lot longer
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Mar 19, 2018 12:15:36 GMT -5
It can be really hard to get over what for most people is a simple cold when you have an auto-immune disorder. Your immune system tends to completely over-react causing massive inflammation, so the cold gets much worse, deeper, and last a lot longer I take it he is on antibiotics, fluids. He needs rest and plenty of it before even considering going back on stage imho
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Post by goletitout1986 on Mar 19, 2018 12:17:10 GMT -5
I think he deserves massive kudos for trying to persist with these gigs, but if you're ill, you're ill - nothing you can do about it.
Some rest n relaxation will see him back on form I'm sure.
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Post by icefront on Mar 19, 2018 13:52:20 GMT -5
It's gonna be interesting if he skips Lollapalooza Brazil, i think it would be better if he gets completely healthy again before doing another gig.
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 19, 2018 15:13:32 GMT -5
It can be really hard to get over what for most people is a simple cold when you have an auto-immune disorder. Your immune system tends to completely over-react causing massive inflammation, so the cold gets much worse, deeper, and last a lot longer Well...If I had to have one auto-immune disorder and could choose, it would be Hashimoto... The majority of cases don't even need immunosupressants or steroids... Unlike the majority of the others... Usually people are ok with just One pill of thyroid hormone per day. As always there are exeptions, but to assume the outcome for whatever infeccion he has now Will be worse because of that is a bit of a stretch...
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Mar 19, 2018 15:19:28 GMT -5
Aggg I want my money back. At least a free pass when rescheduled.
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Post by crisppacket on Mar 19, 2018 15:22:38 GMT -5
Thought there would've been an announcement today that the rest of this tour is cancelled. Quite stupid if they decide to go ahead with it, no one benefits as the gig would be shit anyway and Liam strains himself more.
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Post by shannee on Mar 19, 2018 15:42:39 GMT -5
It can be really hard to get over what for most people is a simple cold when you have an auto-immune disorder. Your immune system tends to completely over-react causing massive inflammation, so the cold gets much worse, deeper, and last a lot longer Well...If I had to have one auto-immune disorder and could choose, it would be Hashimoto... The majority of cases don't even need immunosupressants or steroids... Unlike the majority of the others... Usually people are ok with just One pill of thyroid hormone per day. As always there are exeptions, but to assume the outcome for whatever infeccion he has now Will be worse because of that is a bit of a stretch... I hear you but I don' think it's a stretch at all. I have an auto-immune disorder, not hashimoto's, and it does effect you every time you get sick because it is a failure of your immune system to function properly. You also can feel fatigued and wore down even when not actively ill and taking meds every day for the rest of your life isn't fun either. I don't now a ton about hashimoto's but I believe even while taking meds his thyroid can continue to deteriorate. Like most meds and most illnesses the symptoms may be helped or masked but nothing is FIXED. If I was a professional singer I certainly wouldn't want the one disorder that directly effected my voice. Perhaps I do have too much sympathy for him but I can't even image how he, Noel, and musicians in general travel and put on a show day after day after day. I could never do it.
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 19, 2018 15:57:16 GMT -5
Well...If I had to have one auto-immune disorder and could choose, it would be Hashimoto... The majority of cases don't even need immunosupressants or steroids... Unlike the majority of the others... Usually people are ok with just One pill of thyroid hormone per day. As always there are exeptions, but to assume the outcome for whatever infeccion he has now Will be worse because of that is a bit of a stretch... I hear you but I don' think it's a stretch at all. I have an auto-immune disorder, not hashimoto's, and it does effect you every time you get sick because it is a failure of your immune system to function properly. You also can feel fatigued and wore down even when not actively ill and taking meds every day for the rest of your life isn't fun either. I don't now a ton about hashimoto's but I believe even while taking meds his thyroid can continue to deteriorate. Like most meds and most illnesses the symptoms may be helped or masked but nothing is FIXED. If I was a professional singer I certainly wouldn't want the one disorder that directly effected my voice. Perhaps I do have too much sympathy for him but I can't even image how he, Noel, and musicians in general travel and put on a show day after day after day. I could never do it. Yeah, sure... Auto-immune disorder are a bit**. But I know what I'm talking about. All of it manifestations may be serious before the diagnosis, and beginning thyroid hormone supplementation. Symptoms in Hashimoto are usually due to either a) hypothyroid symptoms (usually resolved by its replacement) or b) local - associated with antibodies directed against thyroid tissue (may justify some hoarseness). Obviously there are exeptions, some people may even develop encephalitis associated with it, but these cases are extremely rare. This os not systemic lupus, rheumatoid arthritis or even Chron's disease. It is usually milder and less "systemic" if that even makes sense...
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 19, 2018 16:23:27 GMT -5
I hear you but I don' think it's a stretch at all. I have an auto-immune disorder, not hashimoto's, and it does effect you every time you get sick because it is a failure of your immune system to function properly. You also can feel fatigued and wore down even when not actively ill and taking meds every day for the rest of your life isn't fun either. I don't now a ton about hashimoto's but I believe even while taking meds his thyroid can continue to deteriorate. Like most meds and most illnesses the symptoms may be helped or masked but nothing is FIXED. If I was a professional singer I certainly wouldn't want the one disorder that directly effected my voice. Perhaps I do have too much sympathy for him but I can't even image how he, Noel, and musicians in general travel and put on a show day after day after day. I could never do it. Yeah, sure... Auto-immune disorder are a bit**. But I know what I'm talking about. All of it manifestations may be serious before the diagnosis, and beginning thyroid hormone supplementation. Symptoms in Hashimoto are usually due to either a) hypothyroid symptoms (usually resolved by its replacement) or b) local - associated with antibodies directed against thyroid tissue (may justify some hoarseness). Obviously there are exeptions, some people may even develop encephalitis associated with it, but these cases are extremely rare. This os not systemic lupus, rheumatoid arthritis or even Chron's disease. It is usually milder and less "systemic" if that even makes sense... Do you have access to Liam's notes? Regardless of underlying conditions a severe chest infection is enough to do a singer.
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Post by shannee on Mar 19, 2018 16:36:36 GMT -5
Yeah, sure... Auto-immune disorder are a bit**. But I know what I'm talking about. All of it manifestations may be serious before the diagnosis, and beginning thyroid hormone supplementation. Symptoms in Hashimoto are usually due to either a) hypothyroid symptoms (usually resolved by its replacement) or b) local - associated with antibodies directed against thyroid tissue (may justify some hoarseness). Obviously there are exeptions, some people may even develop encephalitis associated with it, but these cases are extremely rare. This os not systemic lupus, rheumatoid arthritis or even Chron's disease. It is usually milder and less "systemic" if that even makes sense... Well I don't think you can really KNOW anything until you have it and even then each person's illness is different. Knowing clinical info and living with it are two very different things. I think you're being dismissive and simplifying a complicated disease but *shrug* whatever
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Post by mancraider on Mar 19, 2018 16:39:02 GMT -5
Liam appears to have cancelled next show on 21st. 22nd and 25th still on at the moment.
At least avoiding back to back shows, sensible but little comfort to those with tickets for Wednesday.
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Post by Spaceman on Mar 19, 2018 16:49:13 GMT -5
Had tickets for wednesday but was still undecided whether to go or not (tricky situation at work atm). Thank fuck I hadnt bought any airline tickets yet or made any accommodation arrangements tbh.
Get well soon rkid
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Post by shinpad on Mar 19, 2018 17:04:27 GMT -5
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 19, 2018 17:44:23 GMT -5
That's good at least that they can be used for the next day.
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 19, 2018 17:48:04 GMT -5
Yeah, sure... Auto-immune disorder are a bit**. But I know what I'm talking about. All of it manifestations may be serious before the diagnosis, and beginning thyroid hormone supplementation. Symptoms in Hashimoto are usually due to either a) hypothyroid symptoms (usually resolved by its replacement) or b) local - associated with antibodies directed against thyroid tissue (may justify some hoarseness). Obviously there are exeptions, some people may even develop encephalitis associated with it, but these cases are extremely rare. This os not systemic lupus, rheumatoid arthritis or even Chron's disease. It is usually milder and less "systemic" if that even makes sense... Do you have access to Liam's notes? Regardless of underlying conditions a severe chest infection is enough to do a singer. I was only talking about Hashimoto, not about the present illness whatsoever. People with chronic ilnesses may have acute ilnesses aswell. No doubt he is not ok to work now, I'm not questioning that. I though i could be useful framing Liam's baseline ilness, but even his actual state regarding that illness. Don't overreact. I'm not attacking anyone here... Christ!
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 19, 2018 17:51:14 GMT -5
Yeah, sure... Auto-immune disorder are a bit**. But I know what I'm talking about. All of it manifestations may be serious before the diagnosis, and beginning thyroid hormone supplementation. Symptoms in Hashimoto are usually due to either a) hypothyroid symptoms (usually resolved by its replacement) or b) local - associated with antibodies directed against thyroid tissue (may justify some hoarseness). Obviously there are exeptions, some people may even develop encephalitis associated with it, but these cases are extremely rare. This os not systemic lupus, rheumatoid arthritis or even Chron's disease. It is usually milder and less "systemic" if that even makes sense... Well I don't think you can really KNOW anything until you have it and even then each person's illness is different. Knowing clinical info and living with it are two very different things. I think you're being dismissive and simplifying a complicated disease but *shrug* whatever You don't know if I know that ir not. So please, don't dismiss me either.Anyway, I'm sorry if offended you on any shape or form.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 17:53:13 GMT -5
Do you have access to Liam's notes? Regardless of underlying conditions a severe chest infection is enough to do a singer. I was only talking about Hashimoto, not about the present illness whatsoever. People with chronic ilnesses may have acute ilnesses aswell. No doubt he is not ok to work now, I'm not questioning that. I though i could be useful framing Liam's baseline ilness, bit even his actual state regarding that. Don't overreact. I'm not attacking anyone here... Christ! Tbf nobody knows the full facts apart from people close to Liam. There could be any number of reasons, not just what’s made public. Let’s just hope he’s back where he belongs soon.
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 19, 2018 17:57:31 GMT -5
I was only talking about Hashimoto, not about the present illness whatsoever. People with chronic ilnesses may have acute ilnesses aswell. No doubt he is not ok to work now, I'm not questioning that. I though i could be useful framing Liam's baseline ilness, bit even his actual state regarding that. Don't overreact. I'm not attacking anyone here... Christ! Tbf nobody knows the full facts apart from people close to Liam. There could be any number of reasons, not just what’s made public. Let’s just hope he’s back where he belongs soon. He sure Will!
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 19, 2018 17:59:16 GMT -5
Well I don't think you can really KNOW anything until you have it and even then each person's illness is different. Knowing clinical info and living with it are two very different things. I think you're being dismissive and simplifying a complicated disease but *shrug* whatever You don't know if I know that or not. So please, don't dismiss me either.Anyway, I'm sorry if offended you on any shape or form.
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Post by shannee on Mar 19, 2018 18:05:27 GMT -5
Not offended at all. That’s why I shrugged, we can agree to disagree. My only point was I feel sympathy for Liam because it’s possible that his illness can exacerbate simple colds
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Post by cigarsinhell on Mar 19, 2018 18:21:48 GMT -5
I hope 2 days' rest is enough. Respiratory problems tend to become chronic, occurring more often and hanging around longer.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Mar 19, 2018 18:27:42 GMT -5
Still think Paddys Day played its part 🍀
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 19, 2018 18:30:48 GMT -5
Not offended at all. That’s why I shrugged, we can agree to disagree. My only point was I feel sympathy for Liam because it’s possible that his illness can exacerbate simple colds [br Well, That's my point. It's not really a disagreement... this disease in particular does not exacerbate infections. Check any endochrinology book you wish... Also auto-immune patients are at risk for infections, particularly serious ones due to the immunosupressant effect of treatments, not the disease generally speaking.unless you are talking of something like ulcerous collitis or Crohn's, for obvious reasons...Immunosupressants are not needed to treat Hashimoto. You either respond to thyroid hormone and thats it or you have a total thytoidectomy to remove the target organ and supplement the lacking hormone... There is no point in debating it any further though, I can send you some review papers if you wish... Peace😘
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