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Post by smash on Dec 2, 2017 9:43:47 GMT -5
He can say he’s a feminist but he most definitely is not. Racists love to insist they are not racist right before they say something racist too. Anyone who refers to “girls” in his band, calls his office staff bitches, and feels the need to mention his wife’s beauty at every opportunity as if that is her value is definitely not a feminist.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 2, 2017 9:49:31 GMT -5
Liam has had a little bit of success without Noel there to prop him up. Noel is obviously somewhat bitter about it. Easier to dismiss the album than it is to admit he did alright on it.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 2, 2017 9:50:56 GMT -5
He can say he’s a feminist but he most definitely is not. Racists love to insist they are not racist right before they say something racist too. Anyone who refers to “girls” in his band, calls his office staff bitches, and feels the need to mention his wife’s beauty at every opportunity as if that is her value is definitely not a feminist. Really?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 2, 2017 9:57:26 GMT -5
He can say he’s a feminist but he most definitely is not. Racists love to insist they are not racist right before they say something racist too. Anyone who refers to “girls” in his band, calls his office staff bitches, and feels the need to mention his wife’s beauty at every opportunity as if that is her value is definitely not a feminist. There used to be a podcast run by a bunch of females called 'Godless Bitches'. They also identify as feminists. But I guess they really aren't feminists since they called themselves bitches?
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Dec 2, 2017 10:25:36 GMT -5
Noel can't handle Liams success. And the fact hes now playing second fiddle. It's really as simple as that.
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Post by smash on Dec 2, 2017 11:03:27 GMT -5
He can say he’s a feminist but he most definitely is not. Racists love to insist they are not racist right before they say something racist too. Anyone who refers to “girls” in his band, calls his office staff bitches, and feels the need to mention his wife’s beauty at every opportunity as if that is her value is definitely not a feminist. There used to be a podcast run by a bunch of females called 'Godless Bitches'. They also identify as feminists. But I guess they really aren't feminists since they called themselves bitches? There’s a vast difference between women calling themselves a word in an ironic fashion, and a man choosing to label women who work under him the same term.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 2, 2017 11:23:46 GMT -5
There used to be a podcast run by a bunch of females called 'Godless Bitches'. They also identify as feminists. But I guess they really aren't feminists since they called themselves bitches? There’s a vast difference between women calling themselves a word in an ironic fashion, and a man choosing to label women who work under him the same term. What's the difference in your opinion? It may be helpful to also define terms.
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 2, 2017 14:28:19 GMT -5
Noel can't handle Liams success. And the fact hes now playing second fiddle. It's really as simple as that. This is a kind of comments to sow an another seed for stupid Laim vs Noel/Noel vs Liam.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 2, 2017 15:53:59 GMT -5
Noel can't handle Liams success. And the fact hes now playing second fiddle. It's really as simple as that. This is a kind of comments to sow an another seed for stupid Laim vs Noel/Noel vs Liam. Exactly! And its always the usual suspects on this forum that are purposely starting these flare ups. They are in the minority, but we all know who they are.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 2, 2017 16:02:32 GMT -5
He can say he’s a feminist but he most definitely is not. Racists love to insist they are not racist right before they say something racist too. Anyone who refers to “girls” in his band, calls his office staff bitches, and feels the need to mention his wife’s beauty at every opportunity as if that is her value is definitely not a feminist. Really? Yea, I think so. There's definitely an objectification going on there. I can't remember the last time Noel described his wife in any depth. Maybe that's something he wants to keep guarded, but he typically makes her sound like a trophy wife.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 2, 2017 16:15:50 GMT -5
He can say he’s a feminist but he most definitely is not. Racists love to insist they are not racist right before they say something racist too. Anyone who refers to “girls” in his band, calls his office staff bitches, and feels the need to mention his wife’s beauty at every opportunity as if that is her value is definitely not a feminist. He's definitely not a feminist, but I wouldn't say he is sexist either.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 2, 2017 16:19:28 GMT -5
Yea, I think so. There's definitely an objectification going on there. I can't remember the last time Noel described his wife in any depth. Maybe that's something he wants to keep guarded, but he typically makes her sound like a trophy wife. I have heard him say deep things about his wife before, other than her looks. The fact that he wants female singers in his band, and puts people like Charlotte on a pedestal (calling her a hero) says quite a lot about his views on women.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 2, 2017 16:31:16 GMT -5
Yea, I think so. There's definitely an objectification going on there. I can't remember the last time Noel described his wife in any depth. Maybe that's something he wants to keep guarded, but he typically makes her sound like a trophy wife. I have heard him say deep things about his wife before, other than her looks. The fact that he wants female singers in his band, and puts people like Charlotte on a pedestal (calling her a hero) says quite a lot about his views on women. Not really. Like he hasn't put Charlotte on a pedestal at all. She's an actual musician and singer, but Noel rarely talks about that. Instead he uses her as a well paid prop.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 2, 2017 16:37:55 GMT -5
Yea, I think so. There's definitely an objectification going on there. I can't remember the last time Noel described his wife in any depth. Maybe that's something he wants to keep guarded, but he typically makes her sound like a trophy wife. I've heard him talk about Sara in depth all the time, talking about how she saved him when he was at his lowest point and all that.
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Dec 2, 2017 16:42:00 GMT -5
Yea, I think so. There's definitely an objectification going on there. I can't remember the last time Noel described his wife in any depth. Maybe that's something he wants to keep guarded, but he typically makes her sound like a trophy wife. I've heard him talk about Sara in depth all the time, talking about how she saved him when he was at his lowest point and all that. True enough...but his discussion of her is generally in terms of: look at my hot and sexy wife...
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 2, 2017 16:44:54 GMT -5
I've heard him talk about Sara in depth all the time, talking about how she saved him when he was at his lowest point and all that. True enough...but his discussion of her is generally in terms of: look at my hot and sexy wife... I don't think he's being very serious. You can have your reasons for thinking Noel is in some way sexist, but I don't think frequently complimenting his wife is one of them.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 2, 2017 17:06:39 GMT -5
Yea, I think so. There's definitely an objectification going on there. I can't remember the last time Noel described his wife in any depth. Maybe that's something he wants to keep guarded, but he typically makes her sound like a trophy wife. I've heard him talk about Sara in depth all the time, talking about how she saved him when he was at his lowest point and all that. I don't think Noel is sexist, but I don't think he's a feminist either. I don't think Noel actually knows what a feminist is. Like, of course he's talked about his wife saving him, but that's different from shedding light on her as an autonomous human being. Seeing a woman as a savior, a good mother, a beautiful woman are common roles associated with someone of the female sex. If I thought those things that doesn't make me sexist, but it doesn't make me a feminist either. Not to mention, that follows on the back of what Noel genuinely thinks of female artists in general. He'll keep going off on Adele or equating women's careers to child birth or rarely compliment any female artist. In fact, you'd have to search far and wide to find a kind quote to a female artist from Noel on their artistic ability. Noel sees the world through a male gaze, and often equates women based on that gaze.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Dec 2, 2017 17:36:59 GMT -5
Not to mention, that follows on the back of what Noel genuinely thinks of female artists in general. He'll keep going off on Adele or equating women's careers to child birth or rarely compliment any female artist. In fact, you'd have to search far and wide to find a kind quote to a female artist from Noel on their artistic ability. Rock N Roll is dominated by men - Noel has said negative things about way more men than women as well, simply because more rock bands are 100% male. What is that even supposed to mean? There is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.
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Post by johnnyb on Dec 2, 2017 17:51:31 GMT -5
This thread has decended into social justice warrior nonsense...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 2, 2017 17:55:53 GMT -5
I like when Noel brags about girls being in his band now like that is some novel concept. Its 2017 for Gods sake.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 2, 2017 18:15:37 GMT -5
I like when Noel brags about girls being in his band now like that is some novel concept. Its 2017 for Gods sake. I don't think he's saying it like "OMG VAGINAS, HOW AVANT-GARDE", I think he's using it to show how far he's moved on from the percieved lad-ishness of Oasis.
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Post by janedoe on Dec 2, 2017 18:21:34 GMT -5
Has any interviewer asked Noel why he didn't show up to One Love?
I'm thinking it might be on a banned list.
The reason I ask is that all Liam interviews seem to include the Twitter baiting.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 2, 2017 18:25:30 GMT -5
Has any interviewer asked Noel why he didn't show up to One Love? I'm thinking it might be on a banned list. The reason I ask is that all Liam interviews seem to include the Twitter baiting. Why would they? It’s been Know for a long time where he was. Liam did a fine job plugging it on Twitter. Plus Noel was apart of the benefit in September. All these things are positives for the victims. That’s what should be discussed. Not Liam stating a war in the press over whereabouts.
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Post by janedoe on Dec 2, 2017 18:48:48 GMT -5
Has any interviewer asked Noel why he didn't show up to One Love? I'm thinking it might be on a banned list. The reason I ask is that all Liam interviews seem to include the Twitter baiting. Why would they? It’s been Know for a long time where he was. Liam did a fine job plugging it on Twitter. Plus Noel was apart of the benefit in September. All these things are positives for the victims. That’s what should be discussed. Not Liam stating a war in the press over whereabouts. I agree it's not a good question. I'm wondering why it's off limits. Liam is fielding all sorts of questions about children, divorce, twitter behaviour etc. Also not relevant but they are being asked Edit: According to this forum, Liam's success was partly/entirely due to his appearance at One Love, and I might agree with that view. Now that Noel has sold many fewer albums in the first week, could the reason be the lack of appearance at One Love?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 19:21:28 GMT -5
Isn't it interesting that all these comments from Noel which spark furious debate relate to being asked about Liam. Perhaps more interviewers should leave that subject well alone, is there anything good that ever comes out of it? Not to mention it's boring as fuck. They don't get on, we get it. If interviewers insist on asking the brothers about each other maybe keep it to the music. For instance, as a fan I'd be more interested in hearing Noel's thoughts on if Liam's voice would actually suit his work now considering it's evolved considerably, or if he feels he could ever have written or recorded these kind of songs knowing they were going to be on Oasis albums. Could be a bit more interesting than asking about Liam's Twitter.
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