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Post by MONO on May 7, 2019 10:04:43 GMT -5
The problem is not Apple going out of business but music not being available for streaming or vanishing after some time. -> Streaming PLUS physical media. Has that ever happened to you? I've honestly never found anything (save Bandcamp music) that isn't on the main streaming services, nor has anything ever disappeared out of my library. The only plus I can think of for physical music is getting Jay-Z's The Blueprint, but you may as well just get that from the Apple Store. There are several tracks, especially from Super Deluxe Boxes, that are not available for streaming (greyed out on Spotify). Check "The La's - Callin' All" or "Derek & The Dominos - Layla (SDE)". Releases like "The Velvet Underground - The Complete Matrix Tapes" or "The Who - Live at The Fillmore East 1968" are not available at all. |
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Post by mossy on May 7, 2019 10:10:59 GMT -5
I have to be careful with CD purchases now. I only have enough shelf space for approx 100 more. Got to make them count. X You could always buy more shelf space... 🤔 😁 I have high ceilings. I can always go up. But I’ll need to invest in a pair of library ladders then. X |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 11:05:47 GMT -5
You could always buy more shelf space... 🤔 😁 I have high ceilings. I can always go up. But I’ll need to invest in a pair of library ladders then. X ....rent a storage unit? Buy a 2nd house? 🤔 Priorities man, priorities! 😁😎👍 |
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Post by World71R on May 7, 2019 11:52:00 GMT -5
I'm perfectly happy paying £10 a month for all the music I could possibly listen to, with the option to change album's tracklistings, all on one phone - and I don't have much anxiety about Apple suddenly going out of business. In fact, I imagine that an unexplained house fire destroying all your CDs is much more likely than Spotify and Apple suddenly just disappearing. Ive got loads of deep cuts that aren’t on streaming services. You’re clearly just very mainstream. X That is one good advantage of having physical music vs. streaming, but together they serve a good role. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 7, 2019 12:05:08 GMT -5
I'm perfectly happy paying £10 a month for all the music I could possibly listen to, with the option to change album's tracklistings, all on one phone - and I don't have much anxiety about Apple suddenly going out of business. In fact, I imagine that an unexplained house fire destroying all your CDs is much more likely than Spotify and Apple suddenly just disappearing. Ive got loads of deep cuts that aren’t on streaming services. You’re clearly just very mainstream. X Like what? |
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Post by funhouse on May 7, 2019 13:16:21 GMT -5
I have ALL songs I like collected in one single playlist*. Sometimes it feels so satisfying even just thinking about it, to the point that I'm almost scaring myself. But it's just so perfect, isn't it? Scrolling through things that you love, all in alphabetical order if you'd like, reminding yourself of your impeccable taste...
The thought of everything potentially just disappearing is terrifying. Thankfully I have Spotify. Please don't let me down. (like, PLEASE DON'T)
*I do have about 20-30 CD:s as well, but I rarely use them
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Post by Derrick on May 7, 2019 13:55:35 GMT -5
I'm perfectly happy paying £10 a month for all the music I could possibly listen to, with the option to change album's tracklistings, all on one phone - and I don't have much anxiety about Apple suddenly going out of business. In fact, I imagine that an unexplained house fire destroying all your CDs is much more likely than Spotify and Apple suddenly just disappearing. Ive got loads of deep cuts that aren’t on streaming services. You’re clearly just very mainstream. X Same for me, too often artists signed on small labels before legal MP3 downloading existed aren't available because their recording contract didn't include digital marketing of their music & no one bothered to update the contract because though the music's good the financial spin-offs are too small to go through the legal hassle. Or sometimes due to a dispute with the record company the artist or their heirs will veto any change in distribution of the music until the royalties are renegociated. That's why I never subscribed a streaming service yet: most of the music I listen to I can borrow on CD at the library, with better sound quality than streaming, & what isn't available at the library is, bar a few exceptions, not available on streaming services either, so I just download the MP3s from YouTube for free or directly purchase the album on CD. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 7, 2019 14:52:04 GMT -5
I wish I could give more details but can't. All i will say is tho on first listen there was one song which hit me deep in the feels and recall thinking "oh, this is really high up there amoungst the most beautiful melodies Noel has ever written". Doubt you will hear that one tomorrow tho. That's it from me! Hi mate, any chance you could tell us which song you're referring to above? Is it Black Star Dancing or another tune we haven't heard yet? Thanks!! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 7, 2019 14:55:37 GMT -5
I got a feeling that these EPs are really just like old school singles with 4 tracks. I would expect the first track on each of these EPs/Singles would end up on a future Noel album come spring 2020.
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Post by matt on May 7, 2019 14:59:22 GMT -5
Ive got loads of deep cuts that aren’t on streaming services. You’re clearly just very mainstream. X Like what? Only a couple of years ago, this obscure left field band called Oasis didn’t have their b-sides on streaming services, or even available to buy on iTunes... Oh wait, that was just shit management. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 7, 2019 15:02:14 GMT -5
Only a couple of years ago, this obscure left field band called Oasis didn’t have their b-sides on streaming services, or even available to buy on iTunes... Oh wait, that was just shit management. Really?! That is dreadful. |
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Post by mossy on May 7, 2019 15:44:22 GMT -5
Ive got loads of deep cuts that aren’t on streaming services. You’re clearly just very mainstream. X Like what? Stuff you will have heard of off the top of my head: Tool’s entire discography, Beck’s old albums on indie labels, King Crimson’s discography, Amorphous Androgynous’s Alice In Ultraland, various Aphex Twin aliases, Devo’s main albums. Used to be most Dre, Snoop, Wu Tang was missing. And lots of random Krautrock :-) X |
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Post by mossy on May 7, 2019 15:49:59 GMT -5
Ive got loads of deep cuts that aren’t on streaming services. You’re clearly just very mainstream. X That is one good advantage of having physical music vs. streaming, but together they serve a good role. No! I take my discman everywhere. Mossy don’t do lossy. X |
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Post by The Escapist on May 7, 2019 16:01:35 GMT -5
Stuff you will have heard of off the top of my head: Tool’s entire discography, Beck’s old albums on indie labels, King Crimson’s discography, Amorphous Androgynous’s Alice In Ultraland, Devo’s main albums. Used to be most Dre, Snoop, Wu Tang was missing. And lots of random Krautrock :-) X I have King Crimson in my library, and Tool are coming in a couple of weeks... Of course on some level at some point you will need to buy stuff, but I think 99.8% of the time streaming more than covers your music needs. |
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Post by mossy on May 7, 2019 16:05:45 GMT -5
Stuff you will have heard of off the top of my head: Tool’s entire discography, Beck’s old albums on indie labels, King Crimson’s discography, Amorphous Androgynous’s Alice In Ultraland, Devo’s main albums. Used to be most Dre, Snoop, Wu Tang was missing. And lots of random Krautrock :-) X I have King Crimson in my library, and Tool are coming in a couple of weeks... Only various live shit, not any of the proper albums anyone cares about. Didn’t know about Tool, that’s good news. Fingers crossed that’s to coincide with the new album I’ve been waiting for for over a decade... X |
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Post by The Escapist on May 7, 2019 16:10:03 GMT -5
I have King Crimson in my library, and Tool are coming in a couple of weeks... Didn’t know about Tool, that’s good news. Fingers crossed that’s to coincide with the new album I’ve been waiting for for over a decade... X I'm playing In the Court of the Crimson King on Apple Music right now haha, might play the extended edition of Discipline next. |
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Post by mossy on May 7, 2019 16:15:02 GMT -5
Only various live shit, not any of the proper albums anyone cares about.Didn’t know about Tool, that’s good news. Fingers crossed that’s to coincide with the new album I’ve been waiting for for over a decade... X I'm playing In the Court of the Crimson King on Apple Music right now haha, might play the extended edition of Discipline next. Ah I’m talking about Spotify. Are we still having this conversation? My point still stands - there’s lots of stuff that’s not on streaming. Finding an example of one album doesn’t refute that. I get it. You’re upset. You’ve been exposed as a basic mainstream music fan, it’s OK, we’re not judging you. (Although we are really). X |
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Post by The Escapist on May 7, 2019 16:22:07 GMT -5
I'm playing In the Court of the Crimson King on Apple Music right now haha, might play the extended edition of Discipline next. Ah I’m talking about Spotify. Are we still having this conversation? My point still stands - there’s lots of stuff that’s not on streaming. Finding an example of one album doesn’t refute that. I get it. You’re upset. You’ve been exposed as a basic mainstream music fan, it’s OK, we’re not judging you. (Although we are really). X   I just find the idea that streaming is inferior to buying the romanticised physical albums (not saying you think that, but a lot seem to) quite baffling, because it just blatantly...isn't. |
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Post by mossy on May 7, 2019 16:32:58 GMT -5
Ah I’m talking about Spotify. Are we still having this conversation? My point still stands - there’s lots of stuff that’s not on streaming. Finding an example of one album doesn’t refute that. I get it. You’re upset. You’ve been exposed as a basic mainstream music fan, it’s OK, we’re not judging you. (Although we are really). X I just find the idea that streaming is somehow the devil's work, or even inferior to buying the romanticised physical albums (not saying you think that, but a lot seem to) quite baffling, because it just blatantly...isn't. Every time you stream a king crimson song the devil wanks into your ear. X |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 7, 2019 18:48:11 GMT -5
In the long term streaming is probably evil and will help destroy music. Not in the ability to share and have easy access but make future artists not ever turn to music because the level of success just isn’t there anymore. Sure the mega hit pop stars do somewhat fine and legacy acts now can milk it but fresh bands and emerging artists are getting slaughtered. Spotify don’t pay dick and that is not a good thing for artists of the future.
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Post by The Escapist on May 7, 2019 19:33:26 GMT -5
There should be one of those brain-light memes about streaming, starting with "streaming is bad for artists", then "record labels are bad for artists" and ending up with "capitalism is bad for artists".
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Post by fabulousbakers on May 7, 2019 19:45:59 GMT -5
The instrumental tracks are vinyl only, but Wait and Return is available digitally. That's what I thought. So much for the the argument that none of Noel's stuff is exclusive to vinyl. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 7, 2019 20:33:26 GMT -5
There should be one of those brain-light memes about streaming, starting with "streaming is bad for artists", then "record labels are bad for artists" and ending up with "capitalism is bad for artists". As currently presented, streaming is bad for new artists in the long term. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 7, 2019 21:04:50 GMT -5
There should be one of those brain-light memes about streaming, starting with "streaming is bad for artists", then "record labels are bad for artists" and ending up with "capitalism is bad for artists". As currently presented, streaming is bad for new artists in the long term. Yeah... that's kinda the point of the meme. All the statements are true or at least commonly held beliefs, but some are more "woke" and enlightening than others, to the point of humour and absurdity.  Etc, etc. Streaming for sure is bad for artists, but that's because it exposes the deeper issues about how we value work, art, and people in these kinds of markets, issues that are gonna exist regardless of how you choose to listen to music. Two things are for sure - the record labels don't help, and the genie is not going back into the bottle. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 7, 2019 21:13:39 GMT -5
As currently presented, streaming is bad for new artists in the long term. Yeah... that's kinda the point of the meme. All the statements are true or at least commonly held beliefs, but some are more "woke" and enlightening than others, to the point of humour and absurdity. Etc, etc. Streaming for sure is bad for artists, but that's because it exposes the deeper issues about how we value work, art, and people in these kinds of markets, issues that are gonna exist regardless of how you choose to listen to music. Two things are for sure - the record labels don't help, and the genie is not going back into the bottle. The problem is record companies bought stock in Spotify and have a say in how and what is paid out to artists. They were smart to invest several years ago knowing CD sales were dead in the water and needed to get ahead of the growing storm. I remember reading once that a million streams equals like $4,000. That is bleak. |
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