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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 15:10:39 GMT -5
All goes horribly wrong when Noel opens his mouth. Two platinum (and a third on the way) albums suggest otherwise. So is Heathen Chemistry. |
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jan 23, 2018 16:12:04 GMT -5
Don't find myself wanting to listen to any of the song on this album. I've tried to like it, but to me it's just meh....
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Post by draper on Jan 24, 2018 4:27:18 GMT -5
Listened to it on my work this morning and I already find myself bored with this album.
Yes it has a couple of good tracks but also a few forgettable ones and 2 boring instrumentals.
The fact that the bonus track is the best on the album says a lot...
The first two albums I kept on playing for at least a year.
Just my opinion of course, I prefer Noel when he writes songs at home on his own then with a producer in the studio. I'll skip him on this tour as I've seen him already in 2015 & 2016.
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Post by bt95 on Jan 24, 2018 6:01:02 GMT -5
Still really like the album. I think it needs one more song though. With two (almost three) instrumentals it doesn't quite feel like a 'full' album. I agree. It feels at least one song too short. Yep, I said at the time it came out it felt one song too short, whereas I think AYW is one song too long. I listened to it in full for the first time in about a month or so the other day and I still really like it. Holy Mountain still gets me. Love it. |
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Post by martinpaul on Jan 26, 2018 12:01:39 GMT -5
All goes horribly wrong when Noel opens his mouth. Two platinum (and a third on the way) albums suggest otherwise. Not particularly. 95% of the people who bought those album's you're referring to are/were Oasis fans. Oasis was successful based upon a load of things but for the benefit of this discussion it was Liam's voice and Noel's songs. It certainly wasn't Noel singing mid or up tempo songs, the acoustic, wistful guitar ballad fair enough. I honestly don't think there is a good mid/up tempo Noel sung song, Oasis or solo. Whereas there are loads (B sides included) of the other kind where he excels imo |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 17:07:34 GMT -5
Chasing Yesterday left me a stronger impression. I still listen to tracks from it to this day very often. Stuff like Riverman, The Right Stuff and Ballad of the Mighty I. Who Built The Moon did not have that impact although It´s a Beautiful World and Dead In The Water are often plays on my Spotify playlist. The first one is one of my favorite tracks of the year.
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 30, 2018 9:04:14 GMT -5
Two platinum (and a third on the way) albums suggest otherwise. Not particularly. 95% of the people who bought those album's you're referring to are/were Oasis fans. Oasis was successful based upon a load of things but for the benefit of this discussion it was Liam's voice and Noel's songs. It certainly wasn't Noel singing mid or up tempo songs, the acoustic, wistful guitar ballad fair enough. I honestly don't think there is a good mid/up tempo Noel sung song, Oasis or solo. Whereas there are loads (B sides included) of the other kind where he excels imo Does it follow though that if they were both responsible for the band's success then they were both responsible for their decline in popularity? And if that's the case, can you explain how, say, Liam's voice was responsible for the band's decline in popularity and record sales in 2000 when they sold about 19 million fewer copies than they did in 1995. What was it about his voice that played a key factor in that decline? It also bears noting that while you say that "Noel's singing mid or up tempo" songs had nothing to do with the band's success, he did manage to write and exclusively sing on three #1 singles, proving that the band had the capacity of being quite successful without Liam's voice. |
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jan 30, 2018 10:02:06 GMT -5
Not particularly. 95% of the people who bought those album's you're referring to are/were Oasis fans. Oasis was successful based upon a load of things but for the benefit of this discussion it was Liam's voice and Noel's songs. It certainly wasn't Noel singing mid or up tempo songs, the acoustic, wistful guitar ballad fair enough. I honestly don't think there is a good mid/up tempo Noel sung song, Oasis or solo. Whereas there are loads (B sides included) of the other kind where he excels imo Does it follow though that if they were both responsible for the band's success then they were both responsible for their decline in popularity? And if that's the case, can you explain how, say, Liam's voice was responsible for the band's decline in popularity and record sales in 2000 when they sold about 19 million fewer copies than they did in 1995. What was it about his voice that played a key factor in that decline?It also bears noting that while you say that "Noel's singing mid or up tempo" songs had nothing to do with the band's success, he did manage to write and exclusively sing on three #1 singles, proving that the band had the capacity of being quite successful without Liam's voice. without commenting on who was more instrumental in the success of oasis, surely the decline in liams voice (which started just before 2000) could be a good reason? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 30, 2018 10:27:37 GMT -5
Not particularly. 95% of the people who bought those album's you're referring to are/were Oasis fans. Oasis was successful based upon a load of things but for the benefit of this discussion it was Liam's voice and Noel's songs. It certainly wasn't Noel singing mid or up tempo songs, the acoustic, wistful guitar ballad fair enough. I honestly don't think there is a good mid/up tempo Noel sung song, Oasis or solo. Whereas there are loads (B sides included) of the other kind where he excels imo Does it follow though that if they were both responsible for the band's success then they were both responsible for their decline in popularity? And if that's the case, can you explain how, say, Liam's voice was responsible for the band's decline in popularity and record sales in 2000 when they sold about 19 million fewer copies than they did in 1995. What was it about his voice that played a key factor in that decline? It also bears noting that while you say that "Noel's singing mid or up tempo" songs had nothing to do with the band's success, he did manage to write and exclusively sing on three #1 singles, proving that the band had the capacity of being quite successful without Liam's voice. I think Liam did a good job of saving some of Noel more mediocre work SOTSOG onwards or he at least shone on songs that Noel wouldn't have been able to bring as much to with his voice. I am refering to the studio work rather than live where there was an obvious decline in Liam's ability. What works one way around doesn't necessarily follow that it will be the same in reverse. |
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Post by marqueemoon on Jan 30, 2018 11:22:01 GMT -5
Fuck. What's that song 'The Man Who Built The Moon' is trying to be? It's been on some BBC advert or something... The main melody is on a tin whistle/recorder or something... It's a Hoppipolla/Bittersweet Symphony kinda thing... Ahh fuck. Finally remembered! It was this (a song sampled by Kanye West interestingly enough)... Same drums, no? " Diamonds in her hair"? Definitely an influence. That Omega song is, well, mega! Good ear on that. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 30, 2018 11:27:20 GMT -5
Finally remembered! It was this (a song sampled by Kanye West interestingly enough)... Same drums, no? " Diamonds in her hair"? Definitely an influence. That Omega song is, well, mega! Good ear on that. Check out the original Hungarian version called 'Gyöngyhajú lány' too. Also if you look for the song 'Pearls In Her Hair' on Spotify you instead hear a slightly, I presume updated, version. The one aboves probably the best of both worlds though. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 30, 2018 12:29:14 GMT -5
Does it follow though that if they were both responsible for the band's success then they were both responsible for their decline in popularity? And if that's the case, can you explain how, say, Liam's voice was responsible for the band's decline in popularity and record sales in 2000 when they sold about 19 million fewer copies than they did in 1995. What was it about his voice that played a key factor in that decline?It also bears noting that while you say that "Noel's singing mid or up tempo" songs had nothing to do with the band's success, he did manage to write and exclusively sing on three #1 singles, proving that the band had the capacity of being quite successful without Liam's voice. without commenting on who was more instrumental in the success of oasis, surely the decline in liams voice (which started just before 2000) could be a good reason? His voice changed but I'm very skeptical that it changed so much that it was an instrumental factor in 19 million fewer copies being sold. And by Don't Believe the Truth, they basically worked their way back up to Be Here Now-era numbers and Liam's voice had worsened further by then. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 30, 2018 12:32:10 GMT -5
Does it follow though that if they were both responsible for the band's success then they were both responsible for their decline in popularity? And if that's the case, can you explain how, say, Liam's voice was responsible for the band's decline in popularity and record sales in 2000 when they sold about 19 million fewer copies than they did in 1995. What was it about his voice that played a key factor in that decline? It also bears noting that while you say that "Noel's singing mid or up tempo" songs had nothing to do with the band's success, he did manage to write and exclusively sing on three #1 singles, proving that the band had the capacity of being quite successful without Liam's voice. I think Liam did a good job of saving some of Noel more mediocre work SOTSOG onwards or he at least shone on songs that Noel wouldn't have been able to bring as much to with his voice. I am refering to the studio work rather than live where there was an obvious decline in Liam's ability. What works one way around doesn't necessarily follow that it will be the same in reverse. Well, I don't quite see it as the opposite. If you are saying that Liam's voice is a big part of the band's success, surely that means he was as responsible for selling 22 million copies as he was for the band selling 3 million copies. I'm also wary of an argument that says that when Oasis were successful it was, in part, because of Liam but when they weren't, it wasn't Liam's fault. That sounds like a double standard to me. It reminds of Seinfeld when George's psychiatrist says she thought he didn't believe in God and he responds, "I do for the bad things." |
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Post by rockrevival on Jan 30, 2018 12:39:14 GMT -5
So....is there anything "Noel" on this album? Apart from Dead in the water, they're all sampled. Noel was cool when he nicked bits and pieces and wrote great, memorable songs. Now he's sampling...
It doesn't feel like a Gallagher record to me. His first 2 records are way way better than this.
Maybe David Holmes had too much creative control.
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Jan 30, 2018 12:55:16 GMT -5
Myself and a friend were chatting abt this at the weekend and he said, "it's like Holmes wrote the album Noel just put his name to it"..
Personally..i like the album bt i'm not in love with it. I hope Noel goes back to his own groove when he writes his next album (altho let's be honest...he prob has enuf written material already under his belt).
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 30, 2018 12:56:49 GMT -5
Myself and a friend were chatting abt this at the weekend and he said, "it's like Holmes wrote the album Noel just put his name to it".. Personally..i like the album bt i'm not in love with it. I hope Noel goes back to his own groove when he writes his next album (altho let's be honest...he prob has enuf written material already under his belt). Let’s be honest. This record isn’t a big sonic departure or style change as Noel and Holmes would make you believe. I think it leans more on safer Noel territory than career risking path. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 30, 2018 13:07:58 GMT -5
Myself and a friend were chatting abt this at the weekend and he said, "it's like Holmes wrote the album Noel just put his name to it".. Personally..i like the album bt i'm not in love with it. I hope Noel goes back to his own groove when he writes his next album (altho let's be honest...he prob has enuf written material already under his belt). Let’s be honest. This record isn’t a single big or style change as Noel and Holmes would make you believe. I think it leans more on safer Noel territory than career risking path. Agreed. Every NGHFB album has been slightly more out there than the last, but it's still distinctly Noel Gallagher. Fort Knox is probably the only song that is completely different from Oasis days Noel, Beautiful World sounds different but that's mostly production. Not that I'm complaining, I'm very happy with the slow evolution Noel has been going through. The only complaint I agree with is about the number of songs, could have used one more. |
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Post by theseventwenty on Jan 30, 2018 13:36:55 GMT -5
So....is there anything "Noel" on this album? Apart from Dead in the water, they're all sampled. Noel was cool when he nicked bits and pieces and wrote great, memorable songs. Now he's sampling... It doesn't feel like a Gallagher record to me. His first 2 records are way way better than this. Maybe David Holmes had too much creative control. What samples? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 30, 2018 19:05:30 GMT -5
So....is there anything "Noel" on this album? Apart from Dead in the water, they're all sampled. Noel was cool when he nicked bits and pieces and wrote great, memorable songs. Now he's sampling... It doesn't feel like a Gallagher record to me. His first 2 records are way way better than this. Maybe David Holmes had too much creative control. What samples? Well samples could be many many things. For example, Radiohead jams, comes up with computer parts/electronics and samples them. King of Limbs is a giant sample record of being Radiohead in 2011. You can sample your own work. It isn't exclusive to sampling just other peoples material. Goes both ways. |
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jan 30, 2018 22:12:02 GMT -5
Well samples could be many many things. For example, Radiohead jams, comes up with computer parts/electronics and samples them. King of Limbs is a giant sample record of being Radiohead in 2011. You can sample your own work. It isn't exclusive to sampling just other peoples material. Goes both ways. but is there any actual sampling on this record? even the tin whistle isnt a real sample... |
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Post by mossy on Feb 1, 2018 17:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 18:51:16 GMT -5
They have lots of spare time in the afternoons. |
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Post by philko87 on Feb 3, 2018 22:29:31 GMT -5
I still love it. I didn’t realise how much I missed Noel having fun on records until I got it.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 4, 2018 1:49:46 GMT -5
Myself and a friend were chatting abt this at the weekend and he said, "it's like Holmes wrote the album Noel just put his name to it".. Personally..i like the album bt i'm not in love with it. I hope Noel goes back to his own groove when he writes his next album (altho let's be honest...he prob has enuf written material already under his belt). Let’s be honest. This record isn’t a big sonic departure or style change as Noel and Holmes would make you believe. I think it leans more on safer Noel territory than career risking path. The big key is energy. That's what was missing from the High Flying Birds, and it's notably added in WBTM, making everything much more distinct and, importantly, replay-able. |
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Post by ronnasty on Mar 9, 2018 23:14:25 GMT -5
Been listening to it for two days already. Instantly modified the order of the songs
FK and HM in the beggining felt tooooo long, proper BHN stuff. It all seemed weird in the wrong sense. Then i placed them like this:
1.if love is the law
2.she taught me how...
3.the man who built..
4.interlude 1
5.god help us all
6.black and white..
7.fort knox
8.be careful what you
9.keep on reaching
10.end credits
11.itsabeautiful w..
And im actually enjoying it. But not as much as Asyouwere . IDHTBTW is better than almost every one of these songs bar TMWBTM which is great. But IDHTBTW is only a bonus ttrack. So thats basically the diference btw both albums to me.
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