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Post by neila83 on Nov 21, 2017 20:04:43 GMT -5
The difference with Liam and Noel is this - with Liam all the Twitter jibes are very much just 'banter' and Liam throwing a few sarcy comments out there to ruffle the feathers. Stuff that Noel has been saying in response to this is out-and-out bitterness. Sara's a big girl, she can take what Liam has thrown at her, and she's fired shots herself, as have all the kids. Noel's suddenly taking it all too personal when he's basically never kept his own mouth shut since 1994. Now he plays the high and mighty card? Stuff he's saying is 100% more hurtful than what Liam has ever said. If he continues with this attitude he's gonna see fans completely disillusioned. Mate, read this back to yourself and try to be objective and see your own bias: Liam saying Noel didn't care about the Manchester attacks, y'know, children dying - hilarious banter. Noel calling Liam a parka monkey - deeply serious and hurtful stuff, the sign of out and out bitterness. I'd hate to be inside your head trying to convince myself of this.
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Post by universalgleam on Nov 21, 2017 21:07:30 GMT -5
The difference with Liam and Noel is this - with Liam all the Twitter jibes are very much just 'banter' and Liam throwing a few sarcy comments out there to ruffle the feathers. Stuff that Noel has been saying in response to this is out-and-out bitterness. Sara's a big girl, she can take what Liam has thrown at her, and she's fired shots herself, as have all the kids. Noel's suddenly taking it all too personal when he's basically never kept his own mouth shut since 1994. Now he plays the high and mighty card? Stuff he's saying is 100% more hurtful than what Liam has ever said. If he continues with this attitude he's gonna see fans completely disillusioned. Mate, read this back to yourself and try to be objective and see your own bias: Liam saying Noel didn't care about the Manchester attacks, y'know, children dying - hilarious banter. Noel calling Liam a parka monkey - deeply serious and hurtful stuff, the sign of out and out bitterness. I'd hate to be inside your head trying to convince myself of this. Out of all the toxic things they've said to each other, you picked probably the most severe comment from Liam and the most lighthearted one from Noel. How about repeatedly suggesting his brother needs psychiatrist, treating him as if he's a mad person? No thanks, Liam may be loud-mouthed but he's totally sane.
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Post by thegirlwiththeblues on Nov 21, 2017 22:04:00 GMT -5
Mate, read this back to yourself and try to be objective and see your own bias: Liam saying Noel didn't care about the Manchester attacks, y'know, children dying - hilarious banter. Noel calling Liam a parka monkey - deeply serious and hurtful stuff, the sign of out and out bitterness. I'd hate to be inside your head trying to convince myself of this. Out of all the toxic things they've said to each other, you picked probably the most severe comment from Liam and the most lighthearted one from Noel. How about repeatedly suggesting his brother needs psychiatrist, treating him as if he's a mad person? No thanks, Liam may be loud-mouthed but he's totally sane. You are completely right. Liam's insults remain at a childish level while Noel's insults try to hurt and touch Liam in the depths of his soul. As for example daring to attack him on his sanity and play with, it's cruelty to its pure state. He uses his so-called indifference as a weapon Noel is in Liam's constant depreciation, be it from an emotional point of view or from his artistic value. There is this sentence of Liam which for me fatally describes the sadness of their relationship. “Noel wants me to just fucking vanish. As if I never even walked the Earth, you know what I mean? Well, I got news for him — I’m fucking back, mate!” Liam will never have enough of his life to pay for what Noel blames him for. Maybe Noel puts him at the same level as their father and once he decides to get someone out of his life it's definitive. In the end, Noel is a victim of his own shell
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 22, 2017 9:30:58 GMT -5
Liam seems mildy sociopathic tbh. The way he manipulated the public after Noel didn't perform at the One Love Manchester thing was vile and revealed his true colours. People have to remember that Noel wouldn't treat him the way he does for no reason. He's clearly a nasty person. If you truly believe that, I don't know what to tell you. Noel has a long and well-documented history of using and discarding associates and then trashing them stretching back to the very beginning of Oasis. Ask the Griffiths how they feel about their time as Noel's collaborators, for starters. Ask Tony McCarroll what it was like to be sacked, refused royalties to the point that he had to sue, and then be continuously attacked in the media long after he'd retired from music altogether, too.
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Post by spud on Nov 22, 2017 9:55:22 GMT -5
They both have sociopathic tendencies then.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 22, 2017 9:58:32 GMT -5
They both have sociopathic tendencies then. They're both wealthy men who have been used to having their own way for decades now. One's just better at hiding his darker side.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Nov 22, 2017 9:58:57 GMT -5
Liam seems mildy sociopathic tbh. The way he manipulated the public after Noel didn't perform at the One Love Manchester thing was vile and revealed his true colours. People have to remember that Noel wouldn't treat him the way he does for no reason. He's clearly a nasty person. If you truly believe that, I don't know what to tell you. Noel has a long and well-documented history of using and discarding associates and then trashing them stretching back to the very beginning of Oasis. Ask the Griffiths how they feel about their time as Noel's collaborators, for starters. Ask Tony McCarroll what it was like to be sacked, refused royalties to the point that he had to sue, and then be continuously attacked in the media long after he'd retired from music altogether, too. McCarroll was awful thats why he got sacked.
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Post by neila83 on Nov 22, 2017 10:02:11 GMT -5
Mate, read this back to yourself and try to be objective and see your own bias: Liam saying Noel didn't care about the Manchester attacks, y'know, children dying - hilarious banter. Noel calling Liam a parka monkey - deeply serious and hurtful stuff, the sign of out and out bitterness. I'd hate to be inside your head trying to convince myself of this. Out of all the toxic things they've said to each other, you picked probably the most severe comment from Liam and the most lighthearted one from Noel. How about repeatedly suggesting his brother needs psychiatrist, treating him as if he's a mad person? No thanks, Liam may be loud-mouthed but he's totally sane. Well yes, because it shows that what you said is complete nonsense. you said Liam's comments are just banter. They are clearly not, and this isn't the only example. The man has a very dark side and is clearly full of anger. As my brother (who doesn't care about Oasis or either brother) said after seeing the Glatonbury show on TV 'I'd hate to be inside his head'. I really don't understand this narrative Liam's fans have created that anything Liam says is 'just banter' but anything Noel says is deadly serious. There's absolutely no evidence for that. And the worst things Liam has said are far worse. I think after Liam said what he did about Manchester and various other stuff, with Noel saying nothing, eventually the psychiatrist comment was quite gentle. Liam obviously has some issues to deal with, his obcession with Noel and his wife is creepy. As you don't know either of them, it's complete cognitive dissonance and just a way to make excuses for one of them.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 22, 2017 10:11:44 GMT -5
If you truly believe that, I don't know what to tell you. Noel has a long and well-documented history of using and discarding associates and then trashing them stretching back to the very beginning of Oasis. Ask the Griffiths how they feel about their time as Noel's collaborators, for starters. Ask Tony McCarroll what it was like to be sacked, refused royalties to the point that he had to sue, and then be continuously attacked in the media long after he'd retired from music altogether, too. McCarroll was awful thats why he got sacked. So Noel keeps saying, 22 years after he got rid of the guy. But you ignore the actual point I was making, which is that Noel kept taking shots at him in the media long after McCarroll had retired. Because he's a vindictive arsehole and the fact that he got Tony out of the band and went on to fame and fortune while Tony faded into obscurity made no difference to Noel at all.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Nov 22, 2017 10:30:32 GMT -5
McCarroll was awful thats why he got sacked. So Noel keeps saying, 22 years after he got rid of the guy. But you ignore the actual point I was making, which is that Noel kept taking shots at him in the media long after McCarroll had retired. Because he's a vindictive arsehole and the fact that he got Tony out of the band and went on to fame and fortune while Tony faded into obscurity made no difference to Noel at all. Oh come on McCarroll was the one who started talking crap about Noel first and done it far more than Noel did.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 22, 2017 10:30:51 GMT -5
So Noel keeps saying, 22 years after he got rid of the guy. But you ignore the actual point I was making, which is that Noel kept taking shots at him in the media long after McCarroll had retired. Because he's a vindictive arsehole and the fact that he got Tony out of the band and went on to fame and fortune while Tony faded into obscurity made no difference to Noel at all. Oh come on McCarroll was the one who started taking crap about Noel first and done it far more than Noel did. Quotes and links, please.
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Post by mancraider on Nov 22, 2017 11:05:41 GMT -5
The problem with trying to apportion blame or motivation over their behaviour is the things we don't know about. Yes they don't speak directly anymore but I bet there is a lot gone on behind the scenes that we know nothing about and would make a big difference to how we look at it.
I just wish they'd stop talking about each other and if they want to take shots put it in songs. At least we'd get more music that way.
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Post by starkidd on Nov 22, 2017 16:09:28 GMT -5
So Noel keeps saying, 22 years after he got rid of the guy. But you ignore the actual point I was making, which is that Noel kept taking shots at him in the media long after McCarroll had retired. Because he's a vindictive arsehole and the fact that he got Tony out of the band and went on to fame and fortune while Tony faded into obscurity made no difference to Noel at all. Oh come on McCarroll was the one who started talking crap about Noel first and done it far more than Noel did. Didn't Tony get bad shit thrown at him during the whole 1995 us tour by Noel, Guigsy and Mark Coyle?. Anyone would snap eventually. Like Tony did before the Sheffield Arena gig I believe. I find Noel very rude sometimes and I find it hypocritically if you look at the"10 things Noel Hates" video.. where he lists that he hates rude people... you could say, don't we all? but his tongue and words sting much more than Liam I think.
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Post by jxing on Nov 22, 2017 21:32:43 GMT -5
The problem with trying to apportion blame or motivation over their behaviour is the things we don't know about. Yes they don't speak directly anymore but I bet there is a lot gone on behind the scenes that we know nothing about and would make a big difference to how we look at it. I just wish they'd stop talking about each other and if they want to take shots put it in songs. At least we'd get more music that way. I agree 100%. I also think that this statement that Noel said in another interview is the root of their fights. I could be wrong, but I don't think that I've ever read/heard Noel ever actually admitting this.... ZEITmagazin: After all, you are his big brother. Gallagher: (long silence) I think he sees a lot more in me. ZEITmagazin: What? Gallagher: Probably a replacement father. But let's leave that alone. I moved to London anyway, and my brother became a full idiot in Manchester. Read more: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/88339/zeit-magazine#ixzz4zDUWmHgw
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Post by mancraider on Nov 23, 2017 1:48:41 GMT -5
The problem with trying to apportion blame or motivation over their behaviour is the things we don't know about. Yes they don't speak directly anymore but I bet there is a lot gone on behind the scenes that we know nothing about and would make a big difference to how we look at it. I just wish they'd stop talking about each other and if they want to take shots put it in songs. At least we'd get more music that way. I agree 100%. I also think that this statement that Noel said in another interview is the root of their fights. I could be wrong, but I don't think that I've ever read/heard Noel ever actually admitting this.... ZEITmagazin: After all, you are his big brother. Gallagher: (long silence) I think he sees a lot more in me. ZEITmagazin: What? Gallagher: Probably a replacement father. But let's leave that alone. I moved to London anyway, and my brother became a full idiot in Manchester. Read more: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/88339/zeit-magazine#ixzz4zDUWmHgwyeah I've never heard noel admit that before but it's something I've said many times, liam is looking for praise the way a child does. Very sad that Noel recognises it himself yet has always acted so cold towards him. They are two messed up people.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 23, 2017 3:08:14 GMT -5
I agree 100%. I also think that this statement that Noel said in another interview is the root of their fights. I could be wrong, but I don't think that I've ever read/heard Noel ever actually admitting this.... ZEITmagazin: After all, you are his big brother. Gallagher: (long silence) I think he sees a lot more in me. ZEITmagazin: What? Gallagher: Probably a replacement father. But let's leave that alone. I moved to London anyway, and my brother became a full idiot in Manchester. Read more: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/88339/zeit-magazine#ixzz4zDUWmHgwyeah I've never heard noel admit that before but it's something I've said many times, liam is looking for praise the way a child does. Very sad that Noel recognises it himself yet has always acted so cold towards him. They are two messed up people.And there it is folks. Pretty much sums it up. Couldn't have put it better myself. For all those who want to pick sides, its pointless, because both brothers are seriously messed up, and none of us can really relate to either of them. Mainly because we don't know them as human beings (only what we read and see from afar), and because they live in a world that none of us have ever been to - that elite, rich and famous club, where it must fuck everybody up, even the ones who had stable upbringings (the Gallagher brothers didn't even have that). And when we talk about fame, these 2 reached a height not many have done in their entire careers. In 1996 the 2 brothers reached a peak of fame that only a chosen few have ever reached, like The Beatles. It's easy trying to understand and sympathise with 2 rough council estate lads from Burnage, but no so easy to understand 2 brothers who at one time were the most famous brothers on the planet. And extremely wealthy ones too!
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Post by fiordiligi on Nov 23, 2017 4:28:36 GMT -5
The problem with trying to apportion blame or motivation over their behaviour is the things we don't know about. Yes they don't speak directly anymore but I bet there is a lot gone on behind the scenes that we know nothing about and would make a big difference to how we look at it. I just wish they'd stop talking about each other and if they want to take shots put it in songs. At least we'd get more music that way. I agree 100%. I also think that this statement that Noel said in another interview is the root of their fights. I could be wrong, but I don't think that I've ever read/heard Noel ever actually admitting this.... ZEITmagazin: After all, you are his big brother. Gallagher: (long silence) I think he sees a lot more in me. ZEITmagazin: What? Gallagher: Probably a replacement father. But let's leave that alone. I moved to London anyway, and my brother became a full idiot in Manchester. Read more: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/88339/zeit-magazine#ixzz4zDUWmHgwHe said the same thing in the past, I took it from here but I've no idea where it's originally from: 12th December 2006 Quote: "He won't admit this, but he doesn't like me... He sees me as a father figure - and he hated my dad, so all of that's passed on to me a bit." Noel Gallagher attempts to explain his famous feud with brother and bandmate LIAM. I also remember an old interview in which Liam said Noel sees himself like that but he (Liam) doesn't. This is all so tragic, if they could just talk to each other honestly maybe they'll finally resolve some of their issues. Damn both of them.
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Post by jxing on Nov 23, 2017 11:34:27 GMT -5
yeah I've never heard noel admit that before but it's something I've said many times, liam is looking for praise the way a child does. Very sad that Noel recognises it himself yet has always acted so cold towards him. They are two messed up people.And there it is folks. Pretty much sums it up. Couldn't have put it better myself. For all those who want to pick sides, its pointless, because both brothers are seriously messed up, and none of us can really relate to either of them. Mainly because we don't know them as human beings (only what we read and see from afar), and because they live in a world that none of us have ever been to - that elite, rich and famous club, where it must fuck everybody up, even the ones who had stable upbringings (the Gallagher brothers didn't even have that). And when we talk about fame, these 2 reached a height not many have done in their entire careers. In 1996 the 2 brothers reached a peak of fame that only a chosen few have ever reached, like The Beatles. It's easy trying to understand and sympathise with 2 rough council estate lads from Burnage, but no so easy to understand 2 brothers who at one time were the most famous brothers on the planet. And extremely wealthy ones too! This wins best forum post. One more important point; they're age and their life experiences will be forever tied to oasis. (Not trying to make this pro liam) but this is especially true for Liam
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Post by jeffrey on Nov 25, 2017 8:27:56 GMT -5
Noel knows exactly how to hurt Liam and does so intentionally. Liam’s comments are obnoxious and aimed at annoying Noel, not crushing his spirit. They’re both childish, but Noel is much more calculated and pointed in his comments.
I know people say, “who gives a fuck about what they say or do outside of their music” — ummm, I’d be surprised if anyone in this forum truly felt this way. Oasis’ tunes are great and presumably that’s why we all got into them, but don’t downplay the importance of their attitudes and personas. Without the antagonistic behavior, brotherly dynamic, and humor they NEVER reach the heights they did and wouldn’t be revered the way they are now.
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Post by jonjayharris on Nov 25, 2017 15:38:03 GMT -5
www.docdroid.net/2zCxMvK/noelgallaghervanityfair2017.pdfNoel Gallagher on this week's issue of Vanity Fair Italy (15 November issue) About Italians who chat on their phones on the beach of Formentera "a fascinating phenomenon" On his wife
"I love to see her cooking while I say bullshit" On Isis
"I'd suggest Isis not to cut heads off but make people try yoga. That stuff broke me in two" --- "I listen to my album every day, It's undoubtedly my favourite record" "I have this special badge whose colours are Man City ones" [...] On Oasis and LiamDo you have nostalgia for Oasis? "It's not healthy to be nostalgic in your job sphere. Nevertheless, I'm not so stupid to ignore that people come to my gigs to listen to Oasis songs, but the main thing is the reason why I'm there, for the new songs. So we can all go home happy" Your brother Liam told us a few months ago that you cannot sing Oasis songs. "I think Liam needs a psychiatrist and I'm not joking this time. He's exaggerating, he's got too much anger inside him and it doesn't do any good at his age. Saying that, I see him happy making his things, I'm happy doing my things. It's all good" Liam said that he wants to make up with you but he doesn't manage to do it because a lot of people stand between you two. "Really? And where are all these people when he sits in front of his Twitter account and he comes after my wife too? Common sense says that you can never tell what is going to happen, but I can tell you something I'm 100% sure of. Me and him will never get back on a stage. He has to accept it. It's over" You, on the other hand, don't like social media. "No, I was raised with another attitude, but nowadays rock stars want to tell you where they go shopping too. For instance, I've learnt more about my brother since he's been using Twitter than before, and that's bad because you wanna think of artists being happy on stage and irreverent, not full of grudge" [...] This is just a quick translation of some bits I made now. If anybody wants it I can translate the whole interview tomorrow. Let me know "LIAM, we'll never meet again"
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Post by jonjayharris on Nov 25, 2017 15:39:53 GMT -5
While it is heartbreaking to hear these two duke it out publically, forever is a long time. Time heals all wounds and whatever Liam says it does doesn’t negate that they are brothers.
That said, probably not a good idea to insult Sara, but you gotta roll with it:)
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Post by neila83 on Nov 25, 2017 17:00:33 GMT -5
yeah I've never heard noel admit that before but it's something I've said many times, liam is looking for praise the way a child does. Very sad that Noel recognises it himself yet has always acted so cold towards him. They are two messed up people.And there it is folks. Pretty much sums it up. Couldn't have put it better myself. For all those who want to pick sides, its pointless, because both brothers are seriously messed up, and none of us can really relate to either of them. Mainly because we don't know them as human beings (only what we read and see from afar), and because they live in a world that none of us have ever been to - that elite, rich and famous club, where it must fuck everybody up, even the ones who had stable upbringings (the Gallagher brothers didn't even have that). And when we talk about fame, these 2 reached a height not many have done in their entire careers. In 1996 the 2 brothers reached a peak of fame that only a chosen few have ever reached, like The Beatles. It's easy trying to understand and sympathise with 2 rough council estate lads from Burnage, but no so easy to understand 2 brothers who at one time were the most famous brothers on the planet. And extremely wealthy ones too! The most sensible word said on the subject. In the end, none of us know either of them, and people taking sides and making assertions that they know what either is thinking, or their intentions is ridiculous and actually kind of weird. People who say things like 'Liam always tells the truth and Noel is a liar' are really quite insane. None of us actually have any idea what any of the truth is. So just enjoy whichever music you prefer, all this anger is only going to spoil it for you. And let Weller have the last word, I beleve he said 'both can be somewhat liberal with the truth.'
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Post by pliolite on Nov 25, 2017 20:59:51 GMT -5
Without Liam Noel would still be roadie-ing for shit bands - a fact he knows and can't erase, which is one thing that frustrates the f**k out of him IMO.
People give a shit about NGHFB because of the past with Liam. Everything Noel has done and will ever do has Liam threaded right through it. He could release a friggin jazz fusion record and people would still be asking him about Liam, wondering when Oasis were getting back together, going to the shows to hear Oasis tunes Liam sang etc.
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Post by neila83 on Nov 25, 2017 22:27:18 GMT -5
Without Liam Noel would still be roadie-ing for shit bands - a fact he knows and can't erase, which is one thing that frustrates the f**k out of him IMO. People give a shit about NGHFB because of the past with Liam. Everything Noel has done and will ever do has Liam threaded right through it. He could release a friggin jazz fusion record and people would still be asking him about Liam, wondering when Oasis were getting back together, going to the shows to hear Oasis tunes Liam sang etc. Did Noel steal your girlfriend or something? I'm sure Noel and Liam have both given you some of the greatest moments of your life. Why not focus on that joy he gave you? Why hate someone you don't know for things you don't even know anything about? It must infuriate you to love the songs that man you hate so much wrote. I think it's safe to say Noel is having the last laugh.
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Post by pliolite on Nov 27, 2017 19:02:40 GMT -5
Without Liam Noel would still be roadie-ing for shit bands - a fact he knows and can't erase, which is one thing that frustrates the f**k out of him IMO. People give a shit about NGHFB because of the past with Liam. Everything Noel has done and will ever do has Liam threaded right through it. He could release a friggin jazz fusion record and people would still be asking him about Liam, wondering when Oasis were getting back together, going to the shows to hear Oasis tunes Liam sang etc. Did Noel steal your girlfriend or something? I'm sure Noel and Liam have both given you some of the greatest moments of your life. Why not focus on that joy he gave you? Why hate someone you don't know for things you don't even know anything about? It must infuriate you to love the songs that man you hate so much wrote. I think it's safe to say Noel is having the last laugh. I don't hate the guy, far from it!! If I hated Noel I wouldn't give a toss about what was going on. I love both the guys and wish they would both get their shit together and end this fiasco! Though for that to happen, it's looking like Hell needs to freeze over....
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