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Post by mancraider on Nov 18, 2017 7:47:07 GMT -5
I wonder if Beady Eye had released a quality album like AYW would they have succeeded and made it big like Liam has solo or was there more to it than purely song quality. ?
Was it just too soon after Oasis regardless of what they released. ?
Was playing Oasis classics the biggest factor?
Or the name recognition of Liam Gallagher?
Any thoughts?
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 18, 2017 7:48:58 GMT -5
Nowhere near the extent Liam has, no.
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Post by Jgrp on Nov 18, 2017 7:50:30 GMT -5
Na. The success of Liam is partly due to a decent enough album (great singles) but many other factors
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 18, 2017 8:15:07 GMT -5
No, but it's a silly question because Beady Eye would never have made this album. Without Liam's name front and center, had Beady Eye made an album matching the quality of this one, it still wouldn't have done nearly as well.
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Post by mancraider on Nov 18, 2017 8:21:25 GMT -5
No, but it's a silly question because Beady Eye would never have made this album. Without Liam's name front and center, had Beady Eye made an album matching the quality of this one, it still wouldn't have done nearly as well. silly question? I have feelings you know 😟. 😂😂. Obviously a hypothetical question. Just a bit of fun if you like this sort of discussion. I kinda think timing has a lot to do with it. If liam had released this in 2011 it might have got better reviews than DGSS but I don't know if it'd have done much better commercially. Sometimes the moment I just right. |
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Post by kido44 on Nov 18, 2017 9:27:03 GMT -5
I wonder if Beady Eye had released a quality album like AYW would they have succeeded and made it big like Liam has solo or was there more to it than purely song quality. ? Was it just too soon after Oasis regardless of what they released. ? Was playing Oasis classics the biggest factor? Or the name recognition of Liam Gallagher? Any thoughts? No Because no one knew who beady eye was and pr is 80% of the battle. Liam Gallaghrr name sells as does Oasis or Noel Gallagher. Beady Eye doesnt. |
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Post by northernsky on Nov 18, 2017 9:49:41 GMT -5
No, cause of the name recognition and not having to sell the “Oasis without their genius” narrative.
Incidentally, I’m probably the only one who doesn’t think AYW is all that much better than Beady Eye. More consistent of course. But hey, I actually liked Beady Eye.
I’d rate DGSS, BE, and AYW all around the 6 or 7 out of 10 range depending on my mood. Same for HFB and CY too.
Again, probably just me.
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Post by mancraider on Nov 18, 2017 10:49:30 GMT -5
No, cause of the name recognition and not having to sell the “Oasis without their genius” narrative. Incidentally, I’m probably the only one who doesn’t think AYW is all that much better than Beady Eye. More consistent of course. But hey, I actually liked Beady Eye. I’d rate DGSS, BE, and AYW all around the 6 or 7 out of 10 range depending on my mood. Same for HFB and CY too. Again, probably just me. I love a lot of Beady Eye too, my question is more about the levels of success rather than actual quality of the music I guess. Liam solo is perceived to be of higher quality but I'd agree that it is debatable. I'd say biggest difference is consistency and production. For a supposed super producer I think Siteks work on BE sounds distinctly average. |
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Post by glider on Nov 18, 2017 10:55:04 GMT -5
All in the name.
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Nov 18, 2017 17:27:41 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, I think Beady Eye would've sold and succeeded just as well if they had Líam Gallagher as the name; I don't see much difference in the quality of songs, I actually prefer some of Beady Eye's output over Líam's solo album....
God bless.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 19, 2017 8:51:17 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, I think Beady Eye would've sold and succeeded just as well if they had Líam Gallagher as the name; I don't see much difference in the quality of songs, I actually prefer some of Beady Eye's output over Líam's solo album.... God bless. I'm not seeing the huge increase in quality either. I guess the fact that it is an increase in quality at all probably helps, but name recognition and an excellent marketing campaign did the rest. Beady Eye also had the huge problem that Oasis as a band seemed very recent in early 2011. One and a half years after the split DGSS seemed like a huge drop in quality; As You Were mostly got compared to HFB and BDI material which is a easier standard to hold. I'd say the fact that people are getting more nostalgic about Oasis every year and that the public had written off Liam post-Oasis as a failure paved the way for AYW's success. Not that the songs aren't good, but I can't imagine AYW getting reviews this good in 2011. |
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Post by MONO on Nov 19, 2017 9:09:49 GMT -5
Imho, Beady Eye wouldn't have sunk if their name was "Liam Gallgher's [insert whatever you like]". Most of their tunes were decent and on par with the output of Oasis after 1997. Certainly not worse than NGHFB, especially CY.
Other than that the selection of singles wasn't great and I'll never get their choice not to play Oasis songs on concerts (they corrected this later at least a little bit, but at that time it was already too late).
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Post by carlober on Nov 19, 2017 9:50:37 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, I think Beady Eye would've sold and succeeded just as well if they had Líam Gallagher as the name; I don't see much difference in the quality of songs, I actually prefer some of Beady Eye's output over Líam's solo album.... God bless. I'm not seeing the huge increase in quality either. I guess the fact that it is an increase in quality at all probably helps, but name recognition and an excellent marketing campaign did the rest. Beady Eye also had the huge problem that Oasis as a band seemed very recent in early 2011. One and a half years after the split DGSS seemed like a huge drop in quality; As You Were mostly got compared to HFB and BDI material which is a easier standard to hold. I'd say the fact that people are getting more nostalgic about Oasis every year and that the public had written off Liam post-Oasis as a failure paved the way for AYW's success. Not that the songs aren't good, but I can't imagine AYW getting reviews this good in 2011. I quite agree with this. You got some valid points. Personally speaking - while I do like As You Were - I think I enjoy BE more in spite of its flaws. That album had balls. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 19, 2017 12:07:19 GMT -5
To me, there is huge increase in quality. Because we have fully written songs.
Live Forever - I fucking love verses and chorus but for me the best part of that song is when Liam shouts - ''We're gonna live forever, we're gonna live forever'' before second solo. It wouldn't be the same song without that. Or Slide Away and ''Don't know, don't care, all I know is you can take me there''. Hey Jude is already 10/10 song before ''Na na na'' part but that ''Na na na'' part is the reason why they are the fucking Beatles.
On AYW, parts like ''Lay it on me...'' or ''Come behold me...'' are my favourite parts of those songs. And those parts are just cherry on top after solid or great verses and choruses.
With BDI we often didn't even have choruses, forget about those middle eights and stuff.
Morning Son, Start Anew, Flick of the Finger...Or tards of ''choruses'' like ''Shine ah lah lah, shine a light'' , ''I know it's gonna be alright forever I'll be by your side(that's not even chorus btw)''...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 14:55:07 GMT -5
To me, there is huge increase in quality. Because we have fully written songs. Live Forever - I fucking love verses and chorus but for me the best part of that song is when Liam shouts - ''We're gonna live forever, we're gonna live forever'' before second solo. It wouldn't be the same song without that. Or Slide Away and ''Don't know, don't care, all I know is you can take me there''. Hey Jude is already 10/10 song before ''Na na na'' part but that ''Na na na'' part is the reason why they are the fucking Beatles. On AYW, parts like ''Lay it on me...'' or ''Come behold me...'' are my favourite parts of those songs. And those parts are just cherry on top after solid or great verses and choruses. With BDI we often didn't even have choruses, forget about those middle eights and stuff. Morning Son, Start Anew, Flick of the Finger...Or tards of ''choruses'' like ''Shine ah lah lah, shine a light'' , ''I know it's gonna be alright forever I'll be by your side(that's not even chorus btw)''... Agree with this. The song quality is much better on AYW. It's a more consistent album and good to listen to as a whole. Most Beady Eye songs are pretty boring to listen to when you get past minute one cause it's the same thing. |
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Post by liamsparka on Nov 20, 2017 4:59:07 GMT -5
Imho, Beady Eye wouldn't have sunk if their name was "Liam Gallgher's [insert whatever you like]". Most of their tunes were decent and on par with the output of Oasis after 1997. Certainly not worse than NGHFB, especially CY. Other than that the selection of singles wasn't great and I'll never get their choice not to play Oasis songs on concerts (they corrected this later at least a little bit, but at that time it was already too late). Liam Gallagher and his Beady eye   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 7:14:29 GMT -5
The production killed BE, the album. So much wasted potential there by lackluster production.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 20, 2017 7:17:30 GMT -5
The production killed BE, the album. So much wasted potential there by lackluster production. DGSS Had Ordinary, boring production. At least BE was interesting sonically. The problem, per usual with Beady Eye was the lack of legit songs. Dave Sitek can only polish a turd so much. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 7:20:41 GMT -5
The production killed BE, the album. So much wasted potential there by lackluster production. DGSS Had Ordinary, boring production. At least BE was interesting sonically. The problem, per usual with Beady Eye was the lack of legit songs. Dave Sitek can only polish a turd so much. DGSS is shit, no production could save it bar a couple of tunes. But BE had some interesting vibes that were never fully capitalized by the production. Look at Soul Love live for example and how it is on the record, it completely kills the song. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 7:32:39 GMT -5
Those 42.42 remixes are great.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 20, 2017 7:41:29 GMT -5
The problem with Beady Eye is that they didn't were exceptional songwriters. Andy Bell only had one great tune in Oasis being Turn Up The Sun. Gem got a couple ones,but the best one is To Be Where Is Life. And this tunes didn't have a chorus at all. That being said,Liam has improved his songwriting trough the years. But still got some weak songs. If you put 3 mediocre songwriters,with a mediocre singer that doesn't take care of his voice and a shit producer that's what you got. Still I must say that I like BDI,they got great songs.
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Post by psj3809 on Nov 20, 2017 8:10:15 GMT -5
Its a difficult one. Remember chatting to some friends (my wifes friends husbands) and they werent even aware that Beady eye existed, they were Oasis fans but didnt realise he was in a new band. The lack of promotion didnt help one bit. Also they should have played Oasis songs from the start, they didnt on their first main tour as they wanted their music to be played not old Oasis ones. Kinda understand why but it didnt work out well, after that they featured a few songs here and there.
Sadly the songs werent good enough, i enjoyed a lot of them (some duds on both albums) but the mainstream buying public didnt catch on to it (lack of promotion/average songs)
I do like a few songs on DGSS and I really liked BE a lot more, the smaller venues were actually quite good seeing Liam that close up (rather than watch some massive screen at an Oasis concert as i'm miles back) etc.
But yeah overall the terrible promotion didnt help, no 'killer' songs either but also one of the key things was the name. 'Neutrals/general public' didnt realise Liam had a new band either, now having 'Liam Gallagher' out there is huge for promotion and for the general public.
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Post by MONO on Nov 20, 2017 8:20:02 GMT -5
Those 42.42 remixes are great. This! They should have been put out officially. To show Noel how to do a remix album right xD |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 20, 2017 8:32:55 GMT -5
Its a difficult one. Remember chatting to some friends (my wifes friends husbands) and they werent even aware that Beady eye existed, they were Oasis fans but didnt realise he was in a new band. The lack of promotion didnt help one bit. Also they should have played Oasis songs from the start, they didnt on their first main tour as they wanted their music to be played not old Oasis ones. Kinda understand why but it didnt work out well, after that they featured a few songs here and there. Sadly the songs werent good enough, i enjoyed a lot of them (some duds on both albums) but the mainstream buying public didnt catch on to it (lack of promotion/average songs) I do like a few songs on DGSS and I really liked BE a lot more, the smaller venues were actually quite good seeing Liam that close up (rather than watch some massive screen at an Oasis concert as i'm miles back) etc. But yeah overall the terrible promotion didnt help, no 'killer' songs either but also one of the key things was the name. 'Neutrals/general public' didnt realise Liam had a new band either, now having 'Liam Gallagher' out there is huge for promotion and for the general public. Playing Oasis songs, especially Noel written ones, was always going to be a big misstep. They would never escape the idea that they were basically an Oasis cover band. Not a good luck. Liam should have taken years off. Posted about it at the time. He needed to be a solo brand. LIAM GALLAGHER sells. It’s moves the needle. Beady Eye is a lame name and unknown brand for the majority of music fans. Always gonna be a tough go. |
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Post by tatomoon on Nov 21, 2017 3:00:04 GMT -5
Would have done about the same as DGSS for reasons people have explained well above.
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