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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 12:29:18 GMT -5
No. What a sloppy comparison. Thank you for enlightening us with such a thoughtful, meaningful, intelligent response. |
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Post by Jim G. on Oct 29, 2017 12:37:10 GMT -5
I think this record is sort of Noel exploring different ideas and sounds, which doesn't mean that is as exaggerated and out of control as BHN.
Also, I doubt Noel sees this as his third solo record. I bet he sees it more as the 10th album he makes, solo or not, it doesn't really matter.
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 29, 2017 12:38:51 GMT -5
No. What a sloppy comparison. Thank you for enlightening us with such a thoughtful, meaningful, intelligent response. What's the comparison between BHN and WBTM? BHN was brickwalled to hell and had incredibly loud layers of music that made the tracks sound like a jet engine. WBTM so far has two tracks that have unique sounds and instrumental inclusions, and sound nothing alike. One was produced poorly because no one gave a shit, the other was produced under the guidance and direction of two very mature musicians. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 12:41:54 GMT -5
BHN and WBTM seem about as different in there creation as its possible to be. ^ this BHN was "I do whatever I want" WBTM is "this sounds like Oasis, change it" As I stated in my opening post, the circumstances in which this record was made is very, very different to how BHN was made. The only similarities are Noel being happy and free again when making music (though for very different reasons this time round, obviously). But the results so far are showing a very similar quality - loud....very loud, massive overdubs, multi-layers, distortion to the point were you think there is something wrong with your speakers, everything turned up to 11. We haven't had 2 back-to-back tracks like this from Noel since....well, you know what I am going to say. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 12:45:10 GMT -5
Thank you for enlightening us with such a thoughtful, meaningful, intelligent response. What's the comparison between BHN and WBTM? BHN was brickwalled to hell and had incredibly loud layers of music that made the tracks sound like a jet engine. WBTM so far has two tracks that have unique sounds and instrumental inclusions, and sound nothing alike. One was produced poorly because no one gave a shit, the other was produced under the guidance and direction of two very mature musicians. Right now both new tracks when played loud sound massively distorted in parts - clarity of layers and instruments shot to pieces, everything turned up to the max. I haven't heard 2 blisteringly loud tracks like this from Noel since.....well, you know what I am going to say. |
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Post by pliolite on Oct 29, 2017 13:06:03 GMT -5
Fort Knox definitely has BHN vibes in that it's a wall of noise with lots of sound effects. The bell is probably the most BHN thing since...BHN.  'Kitchen sink' production is not always the best way... (Magic Pie being the ultimate example) yet Noel turns to it again with WBTM!! |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 13:15:28 GMT -5
Fort Knox definitely has BHN vibes in that it's a wall of noise with lots of sound effects. The bell is probably the most BHN thing since...BHN. 'Kitchen sink' production is not always the best way... (Magic Pie being the ultimate example) yet Noel turns to it again with WBTM!! Give that man a beer!!!  Finally some sanity on here. Someone gets what I am on about. I thought it was glaringly obvious to everyone, but apparently not. |
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Post by scyhopath on Oct 29, 2017 13:18:06 GMT -5
Isn't it too early for this?
I know what you mean, but so far we only have two songs (and snippets of the other two) to pass judgement.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 13:22:13 GMT -5
Isn't it too early for this? I know what you mean, but so far we only have two songs (and snippets of the other two) to pass judgement. I read an interview somewhere recently with Noel saying he had that desire again to throw the kitchen sink at making records, but I cannot remember where I read it. I hadn't heard Noel talk like that since, well 1997. I bet you any money there won't be any quiet moments on the new album. Every single track will be a mass of overproduced overlays and overdubs - even the slow numbers. Not that I am complaining. This is the album I have been crying out for since....1997. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 29, 2017 13:26:39 GMT -5
You sure you weren't thinking of Noel talking about Dig Our Your Soul?
From Wikpedia:
A January 2007 interview for NME, Noel Gallagher gave new details on his vision for the album: "All the tunes I've written recently have been on the kind of acoustic side, you know? But for the next record I really fancy doing a record where we just completely throw the kitchen sink at it", he explained. "We haven't done that since Be Here Now. I'd like to get, like, a 100-piece orchestra and choirs and all that stuff."
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 13:30:47 GMT -5
You sure you weren't thinking of Noel talking about Dig Our Your Soul? From Wikpedia: A January 2007 interview for NME, Noel Gallagher gave new details on his vision for the album: "All the tunes I've written recently have been on the kind of acoustic side, you know? But for the next record I really fancy doing a record where we just completely throw the kitchen sink at it", he explained. "We haven't done that since Be Here Now. I'd like to get, like, a 100-piece orchestra and choirs and all that stuff." Aha! Cheers mate. Yes that was what I read. I didn't realise it was that far back though. I thought it was recent. Rather strange hearing Noel say that back then, when he still supposedly had a very negative attitude towards BHN. This confirms my long-held belief that secretly Noel loves BHN - he just daren't admit it to anyone......  And its only taken him a further 10 years to finally accomplish that `kitchen sink' BHN desire from 2007. Maybe he has a 10 year `kitchen sink' itch....1997, 2007, 2017. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 13:38:08 GMT -5
Based on what I've heard so far I think this album is new ground for Noel and can't be compared in any way to any other album he's put out as part of Oasis or solo. I'm absolutely fascinated to see how the sales go firstly but even more interested in how this album will be considered years down the line. Often great art, films and music aren't always appreciated in their own time.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Oct 29, 2017 13:45:38 GMT -5
I always felt Oasis should have followed on from SOTSOG and kept things more interesting rather than going about as safe as it gets with Heathen Chemistry and then DBTT. For me, it seems that the only two times Noel has essentially let someone with real creativity take the reins, or at least have a big input on the albums production and really putting their influence on it was Spike Stent on SOTSOG and now even more so with Holmes. I just wish Noel had a bit more interesting material to work with when he worked with Spike Stent, it could have been really great and was probably a bit of a missed opportunity. Hopefully that can be put right this time with Holmes. SOTSOG is one my favorite Oasis albums, I put it up there with DM & WTS. It was and still is the most interesting and lyrically impressive Oasis album of them all. Gas Panic alone is one of Noel's greatest moments. Heathen Chemistry is easily the worst Oasis album. Boring, uninspired and forgettable. I like SOTSOG too. There's a few songs on there that are weak or uninspired but i think the highlights of the album such as Gas Panic and Go Let It Out are streets ahead of anything on the albums that come after it. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 29, 2017 18:25:56 GMT -5
So far for me, the two songs released are very much style over substance. The concept of branching out and exploring new genres and sounds is well overdue with both Gallaghers.
But, wasnt it Noel who said that songs "fall out the sky" and you shouldnt go chasing them? So going into a studio with no songs and trying to come up with an album seems to go against that somewhat.
There was a magic about Noels writing at the time of Be Here Now. He wont admit that and he will try and claim this and that about not trying, but stuff like I hope I think I know is an example of him literally just having that melodic genius that was seemingly never going to run out. It did, and he never did an album as good as that again. Despite his best efforts to fool us to the contrary.
This album will do extremely well to be loved even half as much as Be Here Now with the fans.
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Post by OasisFan199 on Oct 29, 2017 19:47:24 GMT -5
So far for me, the two songs released are very much style over substance. The concept of branching out and exploring new genres and sounds is well overdue with both Gallaghers. But, wasnt it Noel who said that songs "fall out the sky" and you shouldnt go chasing them? So going into a studio with no songs and trying to come up with an album seems to go against that somewhat. There was a magic about Noels writing at the time of Be Here Now. He wont admit that and he will try and claim this and that about not trying, but stuff like I hope I think I know is an example of him literally just having that melodic genius that was seemingly never going to run out. It did, and he never did an album as good as that again. Despite his best efforts to fool us to the contrary. This album will do extremely well to be loved even half as much as Be Here Now with the fans. Couldn’t agree more. He had a Midas touch. Then. Poof. He isn’t a singer songwriter like Neil Young. Why? He has nothing to sing about. I believe he wrote all three first records with The Teal People as a Muse of sorts. Then. Poof. I do hope this record has some good moments, but they seem sort of like Johnny Mars solo stuff. Interestingly technically but missing the pop sense. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 29, 2017 20:11:16 GMT -5
So far for me, the two songs released are very much style over substance. The concept of branching out and exploring new genres and sounds is well overdue with both Gallaghers. But, wasnt it Noel who said that songs "fall out the sky" and you shouldnt go chasing them? So going into a studio with no songs and trying to come up with an album seems to go against that somewhat.There was a magic about Noels writing at the time of Be Here Now. He wont admit that and he will try and claim this and that about not trying, but stuff like I hope I think I know is an example of him literally just having that melodic genius that was seemingly never going to run out. It did, and he never did an album as good as that again. Despite his best efforts to fool us to the contrary. This album will do extremely well to be loved even half as much as Be Here Now with the fans. I don't think that writing an album in the studio goes against that. When people go into the studio to write songs, they usually improvise around an initial idea and then keep whatever they thought sounded good. This is how groups like Can, electric Miles, Talk Talk, and The Verve created their albums - they jammed for hours and hours and then edited the best bits into songs. It's all about the idea of improvisation - that you may suddenly have an idea that comes from nowhere when thrown into the studio. That's no different from having an idea for a song fall out of the sky. |
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Post by oasis6 on Oct 29, 2017 20:26:24 GMT -5
I do understand the similarities pointed out to BHN, but I think when all is said and done this will seem more SOTSOG part 2 than BHN. WBTM just doesn't have the BHN arrogance and to me that is a large part of what BHN really was.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 30, 2017 2:11:03 GMT -5
So far for me, the two songs released are very much style over substance. The concept of branching out and exploring new genres and sounds is well overdue with both Gallaghers. But, wasnt it Noel who said that songs "fall out the sky" and you shouldnt go chasing them? So going into a studio with no songs and trying to come up with an album seems to go against that somewhat. There was a magic about Noels writing at the time of Be Here Now. He wont admit that and he will try and claim this and that about not trying, but stuff like I hope I think I know is an example of him literally just having that melodic genius that was seemingly never going to run out. It did, and he never did an album as good as that again. Despite his best efforts to fool us to the contrary. This album will do extremely well to be loved even half as much as Be Here Now with the fans. For once I am finding myself agreeing with you.....  The one major worry I have with the album is Noel saying that every time he came up with a brilliant chorus, Holmes would block it because it sounded too much like Oasis. That is a huge, flashing-red-with-sirens warning sign right there, if ever there was one. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 30, 2017 2:33:06 GMT -5
So far for me, the two songs released are very much style over substance. The concept of branching out and exploring new genres and sounds is well overdue with both Gallaghers. But, wasnt it Noel who said that songs "fall out the sky" and you shouldnt go chasing them? So going into a studio with no songs and trying to come up with an album seems to go against that somewhat.There was a magic about Noels writing at the time of Be Here Now. He wont admit that and he will try and claim this and that about not trying, but stuff like I hope I think I know is an example of him literally just having that melodic genius that was seemingly never going to run out. It did, and he never did an album as good as that again. Despite his best efforts to fool us to the contrary. This album will do extremely well to be loved even half as much as Be Here Now with the fans. I don't think that writing an album in the studio goes against that. When people go into the studio to write songs, they usually improvise around an initial idea and then keep whatever they thought sounded good. This is how groups like Can, electric Miles, Talk Talk, and The Verve created their albums - they jammed for hours and hours and then edited the best bits into songs. It's all about the idea of improvisation - that you may suddenly have an idea that comes from nowhere when thrown into the studio. That's no different from having an idea for a song fall out of the sky. I completely agree with this. Going into a studio to write isn't chasing it. That's a simplified thought of songwriting. Noel barely wrote anything for this album for the first few months they worked on it. If he was forcing it then it wouldn't take months to come up with something. Instead, Noel and Holmes waited around for something to strike. In fact, writing in the studio can often times be more liberating and free flowing. But mostly, you're putting yourself in a position for it to "fall out of the sky." You're letting one riff and the feeling behind it guide you. You're waiting for two chords that any other day sound like nothing, but on that day sounds amazing. Imo, Noel losing his magic has nothing to do with process and has everything to do with effort. Noel can spin whatever bs he wants about songs falling from the sky, but that's not how it works. I think he's always hidden behind that to make himself seem more innately genius, but the craft of songwriting takes time. Noel had most of those songs from the first three albums kicking around for years. In fact, there's only one known moment during those 3 albums where there are witnesses to him composing a song on the fly, that's Supersonic. The rest he worked on, edited, and refined. Later, Noel started working quicker. He got regimented with the schedule of writing quick enough for an album, then recording quick enough for a tour. That was DOYS. That album could have been better if they had put the time into it. Same with the DIV sessions. They abandoned them because they were progressing too slowly. The project with Holmes is the first time he's put in the same effort that he put in with those early songs. For me, you can tell when a song has been crafted, thought through, edited, and refined. As opposed to when it sounds rushed. These songs sound refined, probably the most refined since the first half of SOTSOG imo. It's why they're the most textured, layered, and energetic songs since BHN. There's just greater effort, along with Noel's ability to craft melodies. |
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Post by KhanMightSay on Oct 30, 2017 17:49:53 GMT -5
I hear the comparisons with BHN in FK - the confidence, boldness, layering of sounds. But that’s where the similarities begin and end. As other people have pointed out SOTSOG is a more apt comparison if we are to make one - trying something new, seeing if it works. Noel’s mentality is obviously worlds apart as well from the 2 eras. WBTM will be a unique record in the discography and I like to just wait to hear what it’ll sound like and not compare FK and HM to what’s gone by. It’s a new time now and it’s sounding good so far!
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Post by Manualex on Oct 30, 2017 18:10:33 GMT -5
I hear the comparisons with BHN in FK - the confidence, boldness, layering of sounds. But that’s where the similarities begin and end. As other people have pointed out SOTSOG is a more apt comparison if we are to make one - trying something new, seeing if it works. Noel’s mentality is obviously worlds apart as well from the 2 eras. WBTM will be a unique record in the discography and I like to just wait to hear what it’ll sound like and not compare FK and HM to what’s gone by. It’s a new time now and it’s sounding good so far! your cover of FK sounds like Fade In-Out un a way... |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 30, 2017 18:11:23 GMT -5
I hear the comparisons with BHN in FK - the confidence, boldness, layering of sounds. But that’s where the similarities begin and end. As other people have pointed out SOTSOG is a more apt comparison if we are to make one - trying something new, seeing if it works. Noel’s mentality is obviously worlds apart as well from the 2 eras. WBTM will be a unique record in the discography and I like to just wait to hear what it’ll sound like and not compare FK and HM to what’s gone by. It’s a new time now and it’s sounding good so far! I think this is the album Noel really wanted to make after BHN, but just never had the balls to do it, or was still in a state of hangover recovery from the excess drugs and partying, so made SOTSOG instead. This is why people are seeing certain similarities between the 2 albums. Personally I don't see the similarity, other than FK being a distant cousin to FITB. Holy Mountain is not a track that would sit easy on SOTSOG. It's too much of a happy, upbeat track, and SOTSOG is anything but. HM would sit far better and more comfortably on BHN. I could easily imagine it as a B side from this era. And FK, with its loud OTT alarm bell, is far closer to BHN too. |
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Post by KhanMightSay on Oct 31, 2017 2:12:59 GMT -5
I hear the comparisons with BHN in FK - the confidence, boldness, layering of sounds. But that’s where the similarities begin and end. As other people have pointed out SOTSOG is a more apt comparison if we are to make one - trying something new, seeing if it works. Noel’s mentality is obviously worlds apart as well from the 2 eras. WBTM will be a unique record in the discography and I like to just wait to hear what it’ll sound like and not compare FK and HM to what’s gone by. It’s a new time now and it’s sounding good so far! your cover of FK sounds like Fade In-Out un a way... Yeah true! I use a lot of the same chords from Fade In-Out. My fave song from BHN |
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Post by KhanMightSay on Oct 31, 2017 2:13:56 GMT -5
I hear the comparisons with BHN in FK - the confidence, boldness, layering of sounds. But that’s where the similarities begin and end. As other people have pointed out SOTSOG is a more apt comparison if we are to make one - trying something new, seeing if it works. Noel’s mentality is obviously worlds apart as well from the 2 eras. WBTM will be a unique record in the discography and I like to just wait to hear what it’ll sound like and not compare FK and HM to what’s gone by. It’s a new time now and it’s sounding good so far! I think this is the album Noel really wanted to make after BHN, but just never had the balls to do it, or was still in a state of hangover recovery from the excess drugs and partying, so made SOTSOG instead. This is why people are seeing certain similarities between the 2 albums. Personally I don't see the similarity, other than FK being a distant cousin to FITB. Holy Mountain is not a track that would sit easy on SOTSOG. It's too much of a happy, upbeat track, and SOTSOG is anything but. HM would sit far better and more comfortably on BHN. I could easily imagine it as a B side from this era. And FK, with its loud OTT alarm bell, is far closer to BHN too. Yeah fair point about HM, and the alarm bell in FK. |
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Post by garys on Nov 7, 2017 19:53:44 GMT -5
I'm not bothered if it's so or not. I'll take everything what Noel and Liam bring to us and I love both Fort Knox and As You Were. I just want to enjoy music instead of speculating. If it is BHN II then it' s gonna be MEGA!!!! |
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