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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 3:54:06 GMT -5
Ok, there has been enough mudslinging on this forum since Holy Mountain was released. Some hated it with a passion, saying it was the worst single Noel has ever done, others have rated it quite highly, and some have even rated it as the best single since the 90's (I'm one of them, in case you hadn't already noticed).
But now with the release of Fort Knox, it has become apparent that the sound from this third solo album is becoming more and more like the deafening, booming, multi-layered, upbeat, overly optimistic wall of sound from that infamous third Oasis album, Be Here Now. Noel has even included the sound of a plane flying in the opening track to the new album, mirroring the opening to D'You Know What I Mean? Intentional maybe?
Yes, I know this is 2017 and not 1997. Twenty years ago Oasis were at the very top of their game, and at the very peak of their popularity. The band were out of control with excess cocaine, and very loud songs that didn't know when to end, in an era where Britpop ruled the waves.
Twenty years later, we are talking about a very different era. Noel on his own, no band around him, no excessive cocaine, no wild characters like Owen Morris encouraging the deafening wall-of-sound chaos. Instead this is a mature, calm, sober-ish Noel, locked away in a studio with a film composer, experimenting with an approach to making music that Noel has never taken before. This is, on the surface, light years away from those wild, crazy days of 1997.
And yet - the approach Noel has taken with this album is from one of joy, of being in a good, happy place. Maybe this is down to the collaboration with the new producer, encouraging Noel to push himself into unfamiliar territory, out of his comfort zone, leaving Noel to discover his love for making music again. But this approach has also led Noel to do something he hasn't done since 1997 - throwing everything-but-the-kitchen-sink at the tracks. Lots of loud multi layers, and judging by Fort Knox, not knowing quite when to end a song, and perhaps letting it ride longer than it should.
The last time Noel was this happy making a record was of course, on a beach at Mick Jagger's gaff, in 1996 when he set about writing the songs that would end up on Be Here Now.
So is this Noel's third album syndrome? Is this that third controversial album from 20 years ago, disguised as something different and new? Is this unfinished business for Noel, who after all these years still holds massive regret to how that elusive third album turned out? After playing with the mixes on DYKWIM again last year, did this reawaken the sleeping beast from 1997?
Is this really Be Here Now Part II?
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 29, 2017 4:07:37 GMT -5
I'm not bothered if it's so or not.
I'll take everything what Noel and Liam bring to us and I love both Fort Knox and As You Were. I just want to enjoy music instead of speculating.
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Post by raffo on Oct 29, 2017 4:18:15 GMT -5
I fucking hope it is.
Wasn't sure about Holy Mountain at first but now think it's dead catchy, and I've warmed to Fort Knox instantly.
I'm really liking the fact he's pushing the boat out a bit, didn't want him becoming as predictable as the likes of Stereophonics.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 29, 2017 4:29:43 GMT -5
BHN and WBTM seem about as different in there creation as its possible to be.
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Post by I Built The Moon on Oct 29, 2017 4:36:11 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree more with this. And I love Be Here Now, Holy Mountain, Fort Knox, and As You Were.
Be here now was the musical equivalent of uncontrolled excess, fuelled by the high of cocaine and a band at the height of it's fame, with no one being able to tell them to scale it back, because they obviously thought they knew best.
This album looks to me, kind of like you partly said, like an expression of pure joy and discovery out of Noel's comfort zone. Different and, in the case of the two released songs, layered with loads of various sounds? Yes. But the album as a whole already strikes me as being likely a lot less over the top than BHN. No 3 minute intros and outros with only guitar static. No 9 minute songs. Instead I think we have an experimental album that will flow beautifully from start to finish unlike any other Gallagher album. Some songs will be liked more than others, and some will be probably very average to the ears of a lot on this thread. But that's what you get when you experiment and step out of your comfort zone. I'd rather this from Noel, with the talent that he has, than a continuous 2-3 yearly release of albums that sound the same.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 4:41:53 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree more with this. And I love Be Here Now, Holy Mountain, Fort Knox, and As You Were. Be here now was the musical equivalent of uncontrolled excess, fuelled by the high of cocaine and a band at the height of it's fame, with no one being able to tell them to scale it back, because they obviously thought they knew best. This album looks to me, kind of like you partly said, like an expression of pure joy and discovery out of Noel's comfort zone. Different and, in the case of the two released songs, layered with loads of various sounds? Yes. But the album as a whole already strikes me as being likely a lot less over the top than BHN. No 3 minute intros and outros with only guitar static. No 9 minute songs. Instead I think we have an experimental album that will flow beautifully from start to finish unlike any other Gallagher album. Some songs will be liked more than others, and some will be probably very average to the ears of a lot on this thread. But that's what you get when you experiment and step out of your comfort zone. I'd rather this from Noel, with the talent that he has, than a continuous 2-3 yearly release of albums that sound the same. Doesn't sound very much that you `couldn't disagree with me more', going by some of the things you mentioned in your post. Yes, I know the approach to BHN is not exactly the same as this album. It was more to do with Noel being in a very happy place again, and experimenting with multi-layers again. This is something that Noel hasn't done since 1997 - and the results thus far are giving me, and others, a BHN vibe with these 2 new songs.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 4:43:05 GMT -5
BHN and WBTM seem about as different in there creation as its possible to be. No cocaine...yes I agree with you absolutely there. Happy place? Multi-layers....?
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Oct 29, 2017 4:58:13 GMT -5
DELUSIONAL.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 5:05:35 GMT -5
Thanks for such a highly intelligent response. I expected nothing less from you....
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Oct 29, 2017 5:07:03 GMT -5
Thanks for such a highly intelligent response. I expected nothing less from you.... You're welcome. Only read the thread title too. Knowing the content was absolute guff. As You Were
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 29, 2017 5:15:22 GMT -5
Thanks for such a highly intelligent response. I expected nothing less from you.... You're welcome. Only read the thread title too. Knowing the content was absolute guff. As You Were No problem. I guess you have problems reading too much text....
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Post by carlober on Oct 29, 2017 5:21:19 GMT -5
SheSaidHerNameWasDot, the majority of your recent posts are way over the top (i.e., utter shite). You've been warned already.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Oct 29, 2017 5:58:57 GMT -5
You're welcome. Only read the thread title too. Knowing the content was absolute guff. As You Were No problem. I guess you have problems reading too much text.... Better not give my opinion on this theory for obvious reasons
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Post by walterglass on Oct 29, 2017 6:24:47 GMT -5
Why can’t everyone just get along?
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Post by RocketMan on Oct 29, 2017 6:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 6:31:34 GMT -5
If we're going to compare it to an Oasis album I'd say SOTSOG would fit more. You have the first track as the instrumental, the second track as the first single.
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 29, 2017 6:46:57 GMT -5
It's purely a coincidence.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 29, 2017 7:05:21 GMT -5
I agree with the above poster, actually. It seems like Moon is sort of fulfilling the promise established by Standing On The Shoulder, an album of songs more restrained than BHN but, perhaps, a bit more sonically interesting, experimental, dancey, and more outwardly psychedelic. There's that clip of Noel talking about how Oasis had been a bit influenced by The Beta Band in the circa 2000-era. By Heathen Chemistry, they were beginning the new era of by-the-book Oasis-style songs, but Who Built The Moon? almost feels like the proper follow-up to Standing, taking its ethos a few steps further.
So while there's always the usual remark about "the album they should have made after Morning Glory," I so far see this as the album they should have made after Giants.
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Post by eva on Oct 29, 2017 7:15:10 GMT -5
BHN and WBTM seem about as different in there creation as its possible to be. ^ this BHN was "I do whatever I want" WBTM is "this sounds like Oasis, change it"
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Oct 29, 2017 7:18:48 GMT -5
I agree with the above poster, actually. It seems like Moon is sort of fulfilling the promise established by Standing On The Shoulder, an album of songs more restrained than BHN but, perhaps, a bit more sonically interesting, experimental, dancey, and more outwardly psychedelic. There's that clip of Noel talking about how Oasis had been a bit influenced by The Beta Band in the circa 2000-era. By Heathen Chemistry, they were beginning the new era of by-the-book Oasis-style songs, but Who Built The Moon? almost feels like the proper follow-up to Standing, taking its ethos a few steps further. So while there's always the usual remark about "the album they should have made after Morning Glory," I so far see this as the album they should have made after Giants. I always felt Oasis should have followed on from SOTSOG and kept things more interesting rather than going about as safe as it gets with Heathen Chemistry and then DBTT. For me, it seems that the only two times Noel has essentially let someone with real creativity take the reins, or at least have a big input on the albums production and really putting their influence on it was Spike Stent on SOTSOG and now even more so with Holmes. I just wish Noel had a bit more interesting material to work with when he worked with Spike Stent, it could have been really great and was probably a bit of a missed opportunity. Hopefully that can be put right this time with Holmes.
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Post by Fade In-Out on Oct 29, 2017 10:08:21 GMT -5
No, because BHN at least had a proper first single. More seriously i don't think so, from what i know there are no over-7min tracks on Xntm, noel is full in control with what he is doing here, as opposed to Bhn. But let's wait the release because we still could be surprised, let's not make statements we'll have to take back later. And btw i think you are the only one thinking hm is his best work since aatw, don't involve too much people in what are just your thoughts
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 29, 2017 10:34:22 GMT -5
I mentioned before I love Fort Knox but I think it does fall into the trap of one or two too many layers, specifically the two minute alarm that gets in the way of the brilliant second half. That's as far as the Be Here Now comparisons go for me, so far anyway. I suspect the actual tunes on this record won't be anywhere near as good as BHN but obviously will wait to I hear the whole thing.
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 29, 2017 10:39:49 GMT -5
No. What a sloppy comparison.
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Post by Wolf on Oct 29, 2017 10:42:24 GMT -5
I agree with the above poster, actually. It seems like Moon is sort of fulfilling the promise established by Standing On The Shoulder, an album of songs more restrained than BHN but, perhaps, a bit more sonically interesting, experimental, dancey, and more outwardly psychedelic. There's that clip of Noel talking about how Oasis had been a bit influenced by The Beta Band in the circa 2000-era. By Heathen Chemistry, they were beginning the new era of by-the-book Oasis-style songs, but Who Built The Moon? almost feels like the proper follow-up to Standing, taking its ethos a few steps further. So while there's always the usual remark about "the album they should have made after Morning Glory," I so far see this as the album they should have made after Giants. I always felt Oasis should have followed on from SOTSOG and kept things more interesting rather than going about as safe as it gets with Heathen Chemistry and then DBTT. For me, it seems that the only two times Noel has essentially let someone with real creativity take the reins, or at least have a big input on the albums production and really putting their influence on it was Spike Stent on SOTSOG and now even more so with Holmes. I just wish Noel had a bit more interesting material to work with when he worked with Spike Stent, it could have been really great and was probably a bit of a missed opportunity. Hopefully that can be put right this time with Holmes. SOTSOG is one my favorite Oasis albums, I put it up there with DM & WTS. It was and still is the most interesting and lyrically impressive Oasis album of them all. Gas Panic alone is one of Noel's greatest moments. Heathen Chemistry is easily the worst Oasis album. Boring, uninspired and forgettable.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 29, 2017 11:43:45 GMT -5
BHN and WBTM seem about as different in there creation as its possible to be. ^ this BHN was "I do whatever I want" WBTM is "this sounds like Oasis, change it" Also, BHN was no effort on drugs. This one is 3 years of effort, no drugs.
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