I'm not saying capitalism is amazing, but I believe it's the best way a society can function thus far.

Yeah it was partly rhetorical question. It's just feels stupid when people don't even stop thinking all the options.

I'm naturally questioning everything and want to see both sides. Jordan's posts seem extremely ignorant to me.

Your post about Americans is extremely ignorant.

If these countries didn't portray communistic characteristics, why are they accepted by my many people as communist?

I've already explained that to you. 

Because it's beneficial for their propaganda systems to say that they're communist - i.e. "We are taking control for your benefit, soon we will all be equal" and it's also beneficial for the capitalist propaganda systems to pretend they're communist - i.e. "look how terrible communism is, they can't even play their music." 

So both sides, fascism and capitalism, both contribute to communism being misrepresented. Your taught in schools that they're communist, the media calls them communist, they call themselves communist. The only problem is, if you read literally ANY communist literature, you realise that they have absolutely nothing to do with the idea. I've explained how all this happened historically a couple of pages ago.

And if you want to refute this, simply tell me how those countries attempted in any way to bring about a classless, stateless society with decentralised power and working class control of production. We're all waiting.

Yes. Anyone who thinks Cuba is communist is wrong. Doesn't matter if ten people think it or ten billion, it's not the truth. 

You don't seem to know anything about communism beyond "Look at the bad countries!". I'd be surprised if you'd read any communist literature or have any understanding of it's academic history, because if you had, you'd know they weren't communist. 

I don't acknowledge that it has caused damage throughout history because it hasn't. The USSR, North Korea, Cuba, none of them are communist. Because communism is a stateless, classless society where the working class control production and power is decentralised among communities. There is no examples of these countries ever trying to implement this because they weren't communist - they were fascist. 

Still waiting for you to come up with any reason that their ideology or actions were communist. And I'll be waiting a long time, because they weren't. 

Nope, here's some: 

Revolutionary Catalonia
The Paris Commune
Mahknovia

and most of these:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities

You know why these are communist and Cuba isn't? Because these tried (and succeeded) to implement a classless, stateless society in which production was owned by the producers and power was decentralised among communities. 

AND CUBA IS HORRIBLE! We know! And it's fascist! It doesn't matter how many horrific things they've done until you can show us a single, solitary reason why any of those things were done as part of an attempt to bring about a classless, stateless society in which production was owned by the producers and power was decentralised among communities. But you can't because, they weren't. You do understand this, yes? You do understand that unless you or anyone else can show in any small way why they were following a communist goal, you can't use them as an argument against communism?

Anarchism and communism are essentially the same thing. Marxist communists have a different way of achieving communism, but that's the only difference. The vast majority of anarchists are communists and vice versa, which is why I said that said most of those would be communist, because they are. 

Btw, you can't have a "communist country". Communism is stateless. 

You realise that it doesn't matter how many people think they're communist, right? That even if every single person on Earth thought the sun orbited the moon, it doesn't make it true? If you honestly think they're communist, give me literally one example of how they attempted to bring about a classless, stateless society in which production was owned by the producers and power was decentralised among communities.

Do it, honestly, go on. Show me why they were communist. We're waiting, give it a go. 

I have given you specific historic examples of why they weren't, I've explained why people think they are communist, I've explained what communism is, I can back that up with centuries of literature and organisation. Can you give ONE reason why the countries that your entire worldview is based on were communist?

It's not a dictionary definition, though, is it? It's literally hundreds of books and hundreds of years of organisation and thought. It's what you might call...a fact. It's what communism is. It's a classless, stateless society in which production is owned by the producers and power was decentralised among communities. That's what communism is. Read The Communist Manifesto, read Bakunin, read Kropotkin, read Chomsky, read Zizek, read literally any communist's work. Look at the communist organisations across the world, I'm a member of one, I'll send you the link! It's a classless, stateless society in which production was owned by the producers and power is decentralised among communities.

Now I'm not asking you to show me how these countries followed every word of this, I'm not asking you to show me how they did half of that! Oh, no! For you, I'm simply asking for ONE SIMPLE EXAMPLE of how ANY OF THEM worked IN ANY WAY to achieve ANYTHING LIKE that. 

And you can't. Because they never did. Because they're not communist. 

Still waiting, by the way.  Just so you know, it's Christmas soon...

What a surprise, you can't. You didn't even try. 

Mate, you never debated anything in the first place. You just went "Communism is evil, look at Cuba!" and when someone explained to you what communism was, how that country isn't communist, and how the misconception came about, you just kept saying "Communism is evil, look at Cuba!"

And then when you were asked for ONE, just ONE example of ANY of those countries working EVEN SLIGHTLY towards communism, you just went "nah, it's got blood on it's hands, bye."  That's Trump-supporter levels of debate.

Still, if you ever get round to thinking of one single example of Cuba trying to implement communism, just ONE, we'll all be waiting. Seeing as it's the basis of your entire ideological outlook, ONE example might be nice. 

-'Literally' now has a definition that effectively means 'not literally' because a lot of people used it that way. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state#List_of_current_states_described_as_communist

-Looks like a number of fascist states have been brought in under the disguise of communism/socialism/'a people's republic', irrespective of what they actually are. Do you blame the thief or the balaclava? Anyways, communism and associated ideologies have taken the fall unfairly imo (as per original definition).
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Anyway, anyone could've predicted this discussion would've ended with everyone thinking they're right and stalemate pages ago... It's how most political internet discussions seem to end.